YSK that chiropractors are not medical doctors and "Systematic reviews... have found no evidence that chiropractic manipulation is effective"

Submitted ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨NataliePortland@lemmy.ca⁩ to ⁨youshouldknow@lemmy.world⁩

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic

“Systematic reviews of controlled clinical studies of treatments used by chiropractors have found no evidence that chiropractic manipulation is effective, with the possible exception of treatment for back pain.[8] A 2011 critical evaluation of 45 systematic reviews concluded that the data included in the study “fail[ed] to demonstrate convincingly that spinal manipulation is an effective intervention for any condition.”[10] Spinal manipulation may be cost-effective for sub-acute or chronic low back pain, but the results for acute low back pain were insufficient.[11] No compelling evidence exists to indicate that maintenance chiropractic care adequately prevents symptoms or diseases.[12]”

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yenahmik@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Anything a chiropractor can do that will actually help, a PT can do better. They’ll also teach you what exercises to do to prevent needing to see them again.

A chiropractor will just tell you to come to them more often, and take more of your money over time.

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- Shadywack@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You can save a lot of money by just going to a masseuse instead of a chiropractor. People attribute the positive feeling they get from attention to well being improvements, and pseudoscience practitioners certainly achieve that at a premium price. If it’s attention you want, get a massage, otherwise go to a PT and get some real help.
  
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  - shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Also I think a massage therapist will tend to be more educated on the muscles and how they work together than a masseuse
    
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  - DrMango@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Just FYI, the generally preferred term these days is “massage therapist.” Last I heard “masseuse” and “masseur” (the masculine version) has an implicit sexual connotation that “massage therapist” does not. Unless that’s what you were recommending instead of chiropractic, in which case carry on!
    
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  - rdyoung@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This. I’m seriously considering finding the money for an at home sauna. Get my muscles nice and warm and relaxed and then stretch the shit out of them.
    
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- krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  A chiropractor is way cheaper than PT. Money is such a limiting factor for so many people that, while your advice is true, it has a similar vibe to telling a broke person with car trouble to just pay a mechanic to fix it. It’s the best option but I don’t blame them for trying something less expensive.
  
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  - Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I also wouldn’t blame someone for trying a cheaper option, but I WOULD blame the “cheaper option” mechanic if he sold you a $100 pair of aura cleansing fuzzy dice to keep your engine from overheating?
    
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  - neanderthal@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    When is the last time you went to a hospital and saw a chiropractic department? When was the last time you went to a hospital and saw an orthopedics department? I have never had an MD recommend I see a chiropractor, but I have been sent to an orthopedist who sent me to PT. It worked.
    
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- JaymesRS@literature.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You can also search out a GP that is a DO Instead of an MD in the US.
  
  They still learn osteopathic manipulation, which is a broader form of manipulation not limited to the spine that helps with stretching-type exercises. But they are certified (often with the same board exams even) and licensed on par with MDs. Many clinics have DOs among their providers.
  
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  - evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Important caveat of “in the US”. In most countries, osteopaths are basically the same as chiropractors. In the US, DO licensing is the same as MD licensing, so they do have to learn real science and medicine in addition to the fake science and medicine of osteopathy. Personally, I wouldn’t aim for a DO as my Dr., but if I already had one that I liked, I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Osteopathic schools are easier to get into than medical schools, cause we have more people that want to get their MD than we have schools to teach them, so plenty of those people become DO’s.
    
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- KneeTitts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I would also point out that any pro quackocracker post you see here is the one time they might have helped someone just out of random chance, those people are loud and tell everyone how great their quackocracker is. Its simple confirmation bias, they have a sample size of one, themselves, this is not how data works.
  
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- Dvixen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I go to a sports physiotherapy group. Much better results when the goal is to help me recover so I don’t need to come to them.
  
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- CarlCook@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  In my corner of the world, most CPs are also PTs. Or rather the other way around: they use chiropractic as one of many therapeutic means in their portfolio. I have to say, I very much appreciate this approach, as it relives the initial pain/discomfort but also addresses the underlying problem.
  
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- rdyoung@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  A lot of it can be done at home without a pt. Foam rollers and yoga mats are your friend. Even better if you can get a second pair of hands that know how to pop a back properly.
  
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  - Chetzemoka@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Physical therapists have definitely taught me reparative exercises that I would never in a million years thought of on my own. PT is a god damned miracle drug.
    
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- rayyy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  A chiropractor will just tell you to come to them more often,
  
  If you are going to one that does, you are going to the wrong one. There are a lot of quacks in professions and some of them are AMA licensed doctors too.
  I was very skeptical of them until a friend recommended one he personally knew for my painful shoulder - he even offered to pay for the visit if it didn’t help. I was amazed when I walked out of the office completely pain free.
  Many professional sports athletes seek out massage and chiro with good results because they cannot afford miss events and can’t test positive for the drugs that many conventional doctors would push.
  There is a place for all avenues of remedies depending on the problem. Incompetents can be found in all professions. That said, is far too easy for a poser to set themselves up as a chiropractor.
  
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  - KneeTitts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Incompetents can be found in all professions
    
    seems like thats the crackocracker industry problem, they simply dont have any standards. I’ll grant you there may be some crackocrackers who actually have some skills… maybe, but if a patient has to go to 20 of them to find “that one good one”, then that industry is garbage
    
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- Umbraveil@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That’s not exactly the truth.
  
  Yes, there are plenty of medical practitioners that poorly represent their profession. I’m sure you could easily apply the same logic here to PT, NP, DO, MD, etc.
  
  What should be emphasized is that Chiropractic has heavily evolved, like any other healthcare field and there is a high degree of overlap between PT and DC methodologies. So much so, PT has lobbied for adoption of joint manipulation.
  
  A good DC won’t limit themselves to 5 minutes visits for a quick adjustment. A good DC is evidence-based, incorporates rehab and education, and provides care to the body and systems.
  
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- Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This is a great point. My MiL is a chiropractor (a non-quacky one), and she incorporated a lot of PT into her practice. Additionally, I read a couple years ago that PTs are beginning to incorporate the good things from chiro (whatever they are. I’m not a doctor) into their own practice.
  
  A roundabout way of saying that we learned some things from chiro, but PT was always the future.
  
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- ElBarto@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I see my chiropractor once ever couple of years, I do most my own chiropractic stuff myself so I only visit her when I can’t deal with it. She knows I’m not gonna come back for a mother year or 3 so she doesn’t even tell me to book.
  
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- EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  PTs are also broadly not very helpful with very limited knowledge. I don’t think I’ve ever met somebody who was genuinely helped by PT, though I’m sure some of them out there take their jobs seriously.
  
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  - TheHolyChecksum@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Have you met somebody that ACTUALLY does their PT suggested exercises? I do know some people who said that PT isn’t working but then again, they don’t even follow basic recommendations.
    
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  - SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Like any profession that is service based it “your results may vary”. My pt has helped me with exercises that have helped me get past tennis elbow and shoulder tendonitis.
    
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  - Kase@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Physical therapy changed my life. Not just that, but my PTs actually had knowledge and experience with my rare condition – more so than any doctor I’ve ever seen to this day. I’m sorry that hasn’t been your experience, but I assure you that there are serious PTs out there.
    
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  - nevernevermore@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    in my country a PT is a personal trainer, so I understand where you’re coming from if that’s what you mean. But I think in this instance PT means physiotherapist
    
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originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
its not just not helpful, it can be deadly/dangerous.

strokes are triggered by these idiots.

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- chaogomu@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Strokes, but also broken necks.
  
  And some of these quacks do "adjustments" on children and infants.
  
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  - Fredselfish@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Saw that on episode of Bullshit with Penn and Teller. Anyone who would do that to a baby should be imprisoned for life.
    
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  - player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah, the last time I went to a chiropractor for back pain, they also “corrected” my neck which in the past felt good but this time it just immediately pulled a muscle in my neck and left me in pain and barely able to turn my head for weeks.
    
    It’s better now, but I’ll never go back to a chiropractor again because of the risk of making things worse for essentially no benefit.
    
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  - BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Also animals, I saw a video of someone doing it to a pit bull and after he cracked the dogs neck the pit gave him the “I’m going to rip your fucking throat out” look.
    
    It’s straight up animal abuse.
    
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- Ranvier@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/…/01.str.32.5.1054
  
  Thank your pointing this out. It’s not just any stroke too, it’s primarily vertebral/basilar artery distribution strokes. Those supply the brain stem which includes such necessary functions as control of breathing and consciousness. You don’t want a stroke anywhere, but particularly not there.
  
  Some chiropractors might swing back that, you’ve only showed correlation not causation. Well, when we have no clear evidence of chiropractic neck manipulation being helpful for anything, and we have a likely very dangerous correlation, the clinical parsimony is just not there. So no one is going to run that study (give a large amount of people neck manipulation, a large amount of people no neck manipulation, and compare rates of stroke that occur afterwards), it would be very unethical, no irb would ever approve that.
  
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  - deergon@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This. My friend had a triple stroke shortly after having neck manipulation done by a standin for his usual chiropractor. Luckily he survived, but it has very much opened my eyes to how dangerous it can be.
    
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- Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah, I was coming in here to say similar.
  
  Chiropractors aren't just not effective, they are fucking dangerous.
  
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ClutchCargo@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
But boy, oh boy. Say this to a believer and get ready to loose an afternoon.

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- kibiz0r@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  loose an afternoon
  
  That’s alright. A chiropractor can tighten up that afternoon for ya.
  
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- BertramDitore@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Indeed. I’ve got a chiropractor in my family, and I actively avoid talking to them about their work because I’ve always been convinced that it causes more harm than good. I think they finally got the hint after the 1000th time I refused their offer of an adjustment. They do some genuinely bizarre stuff beyond the standard adjustments, and talk about it like it’s proven science.
  
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  - Stamau123@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Bizarre stuff like what?
    
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Bristlecone@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I am actually really torn about this one, on one hand I had one episode of back pain that lasted nearly a year, swearing up and down the whole time that chiropractors were basically witch doctors and that I would never go to one. However, when I finally caved and went to one he fixed my issue after two sessions. On the other hand, my more recent back pain was not helped after I saw my chiropractor four times. In addition, I work as a nurse and have now seen at least three patients come in with vertebral dissections, essentially a stroke, that occurred literally right after they had seen a chiropractor for neck pain. Anecdotally, I would say it isn’t worth the risk. Had I done physical therapy and used bought a tens unit the first time I’m sure it would have also fixed it without the chiro, but I was lazy

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- Hindufury@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That’s the thing. Chiropractic could be considered a manual treatment which is a therapeutic modality. PTs do manual therapies that are less traumatic and are one component of the musculoskeletal issues that contribute to pain that chiro claims to heal. For most situations of acute back pain they resolve in 4 to 6 weeks so even the ineffective treatments appear to help- it’s just like treatments for the common cold.
  
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- SacralPlexus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’m a radiologist and I too have seen multiple cases of vertebral artery dissections and stroke immediately following chiropractic manipulation. Absolutely no chance I would ever suggest someone see a chiropractor.
  
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  - KneeTitts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This is the entire problem with quackocrackers, they have no ability to diagnose any illness or disease. So people who think they just have a back ache and go to a quackcracker instead of a real dodctor are delaying getting a proper diagnosis, so then if they happen to have something more serious like cancer, they’ll essentially be sacrificing their own life by going to quackocracker instead of finding out whats really wrong.
    
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- shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I could share anecdotal evidence, and we know what that’s worth. But the idea that they’re all witch doctors rings false. Just as the notion that a certified physical therapist is just dandy.
  
  All told, I’d shy away from chiropractors, especially these days.
  
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  - Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The whole chiropractor field is based on the conjuration of a dead guys spirit to learn the techniques required to heal every disease and ailment…so ill go ahead and say every chiro is essentially a witch doctor
    
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- crashoverride@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Someone who knows what they’re doing, and knows the limits of what they can do, can benefit certain physical conditions you may have. But they’re not doctors. They have no prescribing power. A lot of people go there thinking that they can also prescribe them a medication, which is not the case. But there’s no standards for being a chiropractor, so each one is different and some may do little to help you or even hurt you or name you and in some rare cases, kill you
  
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  - KneeTitts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No only can they not prescribe anything (because they are play doctors not real ones) but they have no access to the medical equipment (other than xrays which can literally only tell you if you have a broken bone) so they have Zero ability to diagnose whats really wrong with you, or your back, or anything really. Its all guesswork for them and the few people on here who say “quackocracked hepped me!!” is the one time they get it right out of 10 or 20 failures.
    
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- linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’s because what they’re doing can sometimes provide temporary relief and when it works, it works fast. An underlying cause has made some inflammation, they stretch things out, relieve some pressure in places that shouldn’t have pressure. But they’re not fixing anything, just letting your body get back up to barely functioning until the underlying cause rears it’s head again. Messed up discs are their bread and butter, but they’re just resetting the house of cards you call a back.
  
  Actually fixing the problem is a big, expensive, scary, painful deal and (US) chiros let insurance companies off the hook for a long time.
  
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- TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’m 100% on board with science and evidence based therapies but I’ve had a similar experience with back pain. I won’t let them manipulate my neck at all though.
  
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  - B16_BR0TH3R@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’d say the science is clear: humans don’t understand what makes them sick and they don’t understand why they get better. We value our own anectdotal evidence over actual research almost every time, and we keep making the wrong conclusions. I’d go so far as to say that you can’t be “on board” with both science and with your own conclusions based on anectdotal evidence. It’s one or the other.
    
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Art3sian@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
People should also be aware of the growing number of alternative mental therapists popping up everywhere due to the shortage in actual psychologists.

They are nothing more than life coaches with a six-month certificate in whatever-the-fuck.

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- DickFiasco@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  These people, whoever-the-fuck they are, need to be regulated.
  
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  - vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Or run out of town like Ye olde snake oil salesmen.
    
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  - frokie@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I sense a John Oliver episode any day about this
    
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- vivadanang@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  alternative mental therapists
  
  can see this in the future for the next fascist conservative president - MY CHIROPRACTOR SAYS I’M FINE!
  
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arc@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Chiropractors and osteopaths only exist in such large numbers because they bill less to insurers than actual doctors & hospitals. So of course insurers are going to promote these quacks because it’s cheaper than somebody going to an actual physiotherapist for treatment.

There should really be legislation that requires insurers to cover science & evidence based treatments. If someone wants woo it should be at additional cost to them, not part of a standard policy.

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- babboa@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  So, DO’s in many of not most states in the US have the same licensure and practice limitations as MDs and charge/are reimbursed similarly. I’m many cases they actually attend the same residency programs as allopathic/MDs. Most I’ve worked with drop 99% of the Osteopathic manipulation stuff soon as they graduate. Naturopaths on the other hand…
  
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  - betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If I pay for a business to make me a chocolate milkshake under the same health code regulations and standards as the place across town, I don’t want them finishing it off by stirring in a spoonful of shit with the ice cream as a bonus. Even if >99% of what’s in the cup is not shit, it isn’t somewhere I’ll go and I’ll make an effort to discourage people from going there too.
    
    Osteopaths, chiropractors and all those other flavors of cargo cult imitation medical quackery differ only by the proportion of ingredients. Making a distinction between them is meaningless, it just lets the less-obvious liars get a foot in the door.
    
    (Additional note because this is the internet: This is a “spherical cow in frictionless vacuum” scenario and ignores things like accidental contamination as well as the narrow range of illnesses where an appropriately-prepared and administered fecal transplant (which this is not) may be indicated.)
    
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- RedAggroBest@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You’ve got it in reverse. See that “possible exception for back pain”? Chronic pain related to joint issues is ALL chiros do, insurance used to cover that when you had a back injury or whiplash, things it works for. Then insurance stopped covering that, pretty sure it’s because they favor you getting a prescrip for pain killers but that’s conspiracy on my part, and a lot of chiros started to turn to less savory things, as they did that more and more snake oil types who claim chiropractic work is some fuckin miracle come out of the woodwork.
  
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  - JustZ@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’ve worked with these issues a lot in representing injured workers, including litigating coverage of chiro treatment. In my experience, insurers will always cover chiropractic if it is under the direction of a doctor. A lot of orthos send their patients to chiros for treatment. Insurer is fine approving eight or twelve sessions as ordered by the treater. Where they have a problem is when it’s the chiropractor directing the care. You know, if you get hurt and you just go straight to the chiropractor, they will say they need to treat you indefinitely, twice a week or something.
    
    As for efficacy, it’s undeniable that chiropractic care feels good. If it feels good and the patient believe it’s working, that’s enough to make it work for real. No doubt, there are plenty of studies that bear out improvements of objective functional capacity and subjective pain ratings after chiropractic care. The mechanism is that the “adjustments” affect the autonomic, sympathetic, and parasympathetic nervous systems, and prompt the release of neuroendocrine factors such as serotonin and dopamine. For some people that is enough to feel better and even heal. For insurers, many of them are happy to pay for a course of chiro care because doing so may save them from having to pay for continued Ortho followups, skilled PT, guided injections, or even surgical interventions.
    
    On the other hand, chiropractic education and practice is highly subjective, and the entire field lacks consistency and validity, and IMO is inadequate for the forces it exerts on the most sensitive part of the human body: the cervical spine. Cervical manipulations are highly dangerous. It can severe arteries, cause strokes, cause stroke-like symptoms from nerve palsy, and can break vertebrae; this can easily paralyze or kill a patient, and the doctor cannot know these forces are likely safe for a patient unless they’ve reviewed prior imaging of the cervical spine and know for sure there are no preexisting stress fractures, lesions, or neural impingement.
    
    At this point the industry is so large and powerful that the medical industry and regulatory structure has decided that patients may decide to bear these risks for themselves.
    
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satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If you have spinal or neck pain, see a licensed physiotherapist. If you have a toothache, do you go to a toothiologist to have your teeth punched? Or do you go to a doctor of dental medicine?

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- PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I mean a chiro would pop your back for your toothache.
  
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- viking@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I mean, if you want to re-shape your nose you can either go to a cosmetic surgeon, or run full speed ahead into a brick wall. Either method would accomplish the mission. One is cheaper, one is more predictable, both are potentially lethal.
  
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  - echodot@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Cosmetic surgeons are still surgeons though, even if the procedure is unnecessary.
    
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- LostCat005@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  typically you see your PCP first.
  
  PCP is the one who makes referral to other physician specialists, like a pain and rehabilitation medicine. the MD’s attempt to identify the pain generators through a series of different types of injections. this is typically accompanies with PT, MT, and possibly chiro.
  
  when those fail (conservative treatment), the Pt is referred to either a neurosurgeon or orthopedic surgeon.
  
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scytale@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If you see a youtuber calling themselves Dr. and giving out medical advice, 99% they are a chiropractor.

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- Speculater@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I met one of these in an airport bar! He introduced himself as a doctor then when I asked what specialty, he said he’s a chiropractor. “Ohhhh, so not a doctor doctor.”
  
  He was not impressed.
  
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  - TheAristocrat@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I used to work with a neurologist who was formerly a chiropractor until he realized it was a bunch of quackery and decided to become a real doctor.
    
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  - Zozano@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Well, to be fair, some “doctor doctors” aren’t even doctors.
    
    “Medical Doctors” don’t necessarily have a PhD, but colloquially we call them “doctors”
    
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  - AffineConnection@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Just because he’s not a Doctor of Medicine doesn’t mean he’s not a doctor. A Doctor of Chiropractic is exactly that, regardless of its questionable merits.
    
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  - ForestOrca@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I was searching for humorous podcasts over the weekend, and found Say More with Dr.? Sheila - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/say-more-with-dr-sheila/id1707936869 - I hope you enjoy it.
    
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ohlaph@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It does take an entire weekend of school to get certified though.

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Cosmonaut_Collin@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think this depends on the kind of chiropractic work. If they are just there to pop bubbles for that crack, then nothing is happening. I got into a car accident and my insurance sent me to a chiropractor that never cracked my back. Instead he gave me physical therapy, got me MRI images to check for an cracks on my spine or hernias in my discs, and gave me some equipment to help relax my back muscles and provide support to my bacl. I feel like this kind of work actually does provide benefit. I don’t go anymore since all of that stuff is cleared up now, but I would trust that guy with my back again if I needed it.

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JCreazy@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I know people that swear by it which I can kind of understand if you have pain and they “pop” something and you feel better. But is it really helping if you have to keep going back?

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stallmer@lemmy.one ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
One of my best friend’s fathers was an MD before retiring.

The cadaver he used in med school: broken neck during an “alignment” at a chiropractor’s office.

Anecdotal evidence for sure, but definitely a story that I think of whenever someone talks about going to a chiropractor.

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corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Quick reminder that Physios and Chiros outside America face different rules for accreditation, and may not warrant similar judgement.

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kerrigan778@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
That image feels designed to look like porn at a passing glance.

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cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Don’t “patients” like die from this all the time/randomly?

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Furbag@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is one of those things, like acupuncture, that I will not fault anyone else for engaging in. There’s no hard evidence that they are effective, but if it helps you with your problem (even if it’s all in your head), then it was worth it, was it not?

I know people who have had their lives improved and their mobility restored thanks to chiropractors. I also know one or two who swear they got scammed for years because the pain always comes back really quickly.

I may not personally recommend a chiro to someone as a solution to their back or neck pain, but I won’t discourage them from going if they are considering it.

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IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If chiroprarcty was legit people wouldn’t have to keep going back for more “treatment”.

If you’ve got a bad back, watching your posture and doing some core strength training is more effective.

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MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Well that’s just great. Where am I supposed to go to get my vertebral artery dissection now?

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c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Physical therapy will always be the better route.

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betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Almost like alternative medicine is an alternative to medicine. Sue these scammers out of existence.

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kibiz0r@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
See also: How Chiropractic Started as a Ghost Religion

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sanqueue@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Ya it doesn’t. It’s pseudo science that gives you temporary relieve. It doesn’t cure you of back pains permanently

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WrenofDelpan@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Generally agree with this, but one time when I was little landed on my back on the edge of a trampoline and really hurt my back. After some back and forth my parents took me to a chiropractor who fixed my pain, saying I probably moved a disk onto a nerve or something like that.

So I think pain caused by physical movement of the spine like my injury is totally legit as a reason to go to one

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Daqu@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You know it’s a legit therapy if a dead doctor told you in a seance about it.

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Moneo@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
My insurance has chiropractors as a separate category with its own maximum $. Meanwhile physio & every other athletic therapy excluding RMT gets lumped into a single category. It’s fucking bullshit and I can only assume someone was payed off to make it happen. $500 a year of insurance $ I can’t use without endangering myself.

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nucleative@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Saw a chiropractor because I was starting to wake up with back pain every morning. Bought into something like a 3 month, twice per week program because the loss of sleep was really bad and he said he was pretty sure it would help.

After 3 months, I was still having a lot of difficulty. After an adjustment I’d be fine the next night but it would come right back.

So I decided to just go buy a high end new mattress. Boom. Every night after was a no-pain night. Never went back to the chiro.

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therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
False, I go and feel better afterwards, check mate

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thethirdobject@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is a very north american opinion, which also happens to be very condescending in tone, while op explicitly dismiss commenters who disagree with them. The practices designated by the various terms, such as chiropractors, osteopath, physical therapists, etc. vary depending on the countries and contexts, especially in some european countries where chiropractors must answer to the same standards and regulations as the other medical professions. This should be taken into account.

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cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I know this but I still don’t understand it. I started visiting a chiropractor for my first time last year and I’m old. I couldn’t sit for a week. I couldn’t get my socks on. I couldn’t lay in any position in bed except on my back. I went, and I was immediately 80-90% better. Had to do followups for about 6 weeks and I haven’t been back 😂.

I don’t understand why they aren’t.

Of course core strengthening is always better but that’s preventative.

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nicetriangle@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I went to a chiro for a while and it did help but I think it was mainly because they'd have me do a fairly comprehensive set of stretches at the beginning of each visit. I stopped going to the chiro but I keep doing the stretches.

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