The struggle is worse the older you get.
Isn’t there someone you forgot to ask?
It's all SO simple!
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Thassodar@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
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stupidcasey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
no reason to ai pennyworth over ronald. mr McDonald has a vastly greater kill count.
glitchdx@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’ve changed my mind. Pennywise working at mcd’s because ronald is the vastly more successful killer clown is hilarious
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
glibg10b@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
This but unironically. It’s a way more efficient way to lose weight than exercise. And it doesn’t come with the Ozempic side effects
Obi@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I lost 35kg within 8 months by going hardcore on controlling my diet. I did have to eat more once I started exercising, which I needed to because all the muscle was melting away right along the fat. It definitely works, but I did “fall off the wagon” once I stopped counting the calories. Now I’m trying to find that long term balance of sport and diet I can maintain in the long run.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It can definitely have side effects. Psychological (eating disorders, persistent) and physical (unbalanced diet, or fatigue because the body gets in the “oh fuck must conserve energy” mode).
There is no one size fits all solution. A random 50 year old IT worker with a sedentary lifestyle and a Big Mac diet does not need the same help as a physically active 25 year old with severe hormonal imbalances. Using Ozempic is bad in the former case, but so is shaming the latter person for relying on it.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Intermittent fasting/OMAD and light exercise (walking, a bit of cycling) is in my opinion a way easier to drop massive amounts of weight in a short time. Light exercise keeps your body healthy while operating at a caloric defecit
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
True, it doesn’t have the side effect of continuous hunger, feeling deprived, constant cravings, until you explode with binge eating. That would never happen
ulterno@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I’ve actually tried fasting for fun and it doesn’t really cause binge eating, as long as you do it right.
But then again, my regular diet does not contain stuff from industrial fast food chains.
kittykillinit@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
I completely agree.
What’s sad is people will torture themselves if they’re overweight by working out, and then reward themselves with food afterwards.
The worst advice we gave people is telling them they shouldn’t skip meals if they’re trying to lose weight. Americans/Westerners really don’t care about finding solutions; only looking like they do.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The vast majority of obese people are not willing to admit they caused their obesity, because it’s a human trait not to admit your faults.
Humans would much rather paint themselves as the victim because that’s mentally much easier. “I’m obese because of PCOS/thyroid/magic/metabolism” or “obesity isn’t unhealthy, everyone should be like me”. The alternative is “I caused this, I’m maintaining this, and thus I can stop maintaining this”.
Once I made the realisation that I was working hard to be obese every day, it was super fucking easy to lose weight. But to find the solution, you need to identify the problem first, and if that problem is you, it’s going to be an uncomfortable problem.
gerryflap@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Yeah moving doesn’t seem to lose weight (unless you’re very overweight). It’s very good for you, but muscle isn’t lighter than fat. At some point I went from not running to running half marathons and I went from like 86 to 82 kg average, but that only really happened after I also changed my diet. Currently I stopped running temporarily because of some health reasons and I haven’t really gained much weight either, I just feel weaker.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s a lot easier to remove 200 calories from your diet than burning 200 calories more.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The big two things exercise does for weight loss is it expends calories to build new muscles, and then those muscles increase your base calorie burn because they’re body mass. Weight loss without exercise can consume muscle as well as fat as the body treats excess muscles as a calorie store. At the end of the day, for most people in most circumstances, losing weight as a goal really means losing fat. If someone’s 110 kg and trying to lose weight, many wouldn’t mind being 110 kg with a somewhat thin waist and just being ripped (ok, a lot of women would hate looking like that, but actually doing that is an incredible feat)
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean…yes?
I get that this is supposed to be a joke, but, I don’t get the joke. This is literally how weight loss works.
Eat less.
Eat healthier.
Exercise.
Weight loss is hard because it’s hard to stick to it. But the concepts aren’t complicated. Caleries in minus caleries burned equals caleries stored as fat.
Less caleries means less unburned caleries means less fat.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Just don’t have an eating disorder / addiction is what these posts suggest you know. The entire problem is they struggle with saying no. Like a heroin addict.
prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
It’s not fat people hate to acknowledge that eating less is how you lose weight.
Your take or stance about capitalism and addiction is true also, but yeah addicts are addicts if it’s heroin or food or sex or alcohol.
Some addictions / pleasures aren’t super unhealthy and some are.
Either way, the trick to it is to eat less. Same as the “trick” to getting off opiates is to stop using them.
matelt@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
👏 thank 👏 you 👏
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Depression? Just do more fun things and watch silly TV shows.”
druk@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
As most things about the human body, it actually is more complicated. Caloric restriction also causes biological responses in our bodies, influencing hormones such as ghrelin and leptin which physiologically alter hunger and satiety. Some people can even be resistant to leptin for example, meaning that they struggle with a lack of satiety. Our bodies have also been shown to reduce their energy requirements by about 200 calories per day when intake is restricted.
So even if we disregard the problems the claim it’s just a matter of willpower, there are other, biological things to consider.
All this to say, it is undoubtedly good to have more fiber, around 1.2-1.6g protein per kg of bodyweight, 120minutes of excercise a week and strength training, or just whatever we can implement into our routines.
Oh, and one more thing, fatness isn’t a ubiquitous measure of healthiness or virtue, and thinness isn’t either. We have to challenge our assumptions and biases, a lot of which come from our cultures and media.
Thassodar@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Oh, and one more thing, fatness isn’t a ubiquitous measure of healthiness or virtue, and thinness isn’t either. We have to challenge our assumptions and biases, a lot of which come from our cultures and media.
I’ve discovered this more and more playing pickleball, of all things. People who “look” out of shape have handed my ass to me, MANY times, because their knowledge, range of motion, and discipline have gotten them to where they were, without being traditionally “skinny”.
If anything I’ve learned not to discount “older” players, because they hold up with me, sometimes 20 years younger, fantastically. I hope to have the same drive in the future.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh, and one more thing, fatness isn’t a ubiquitous measure of healthiness or virtue, and thinness isn’t either. We have to challenge our assumptions and biases, a lot of which come from our cultures and media.
It kinda is… obesity is not healthy. Period. It’s bad for your joints, your organs, it’s a driver for cancers and other illnesses. The HAES movement is partially to blame for this massive spike in obesity we’re seeing. All of those links you post, are not causing the majority of people to be obese. The epidemic is not something that happened in the past, it’s quite recent.
rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
this “common knowledge” “weight loss” stuff typically neglects how dieting will affect ur caloric rate. if u just starve urself, ur muscles will grow smaller and u will need fewer calories to maintain ur normal functioning body, meaning u need to eat even less again to not put on fat. but if u train ur muscles directly, they will beg for more calories so they can grow, and the calories needed to maintain them will also increase.
for anyone interested, i suggest reading a physical education by casey johnston.
Denjin@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
U cud jst cut bak n the no of ltrs u use 2 rite wiv
WhiteRabbit_33@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“If you legitimately don’t consent to the calories, the body has a way of trying to shut that whole thing down.” - Todd Akin
WanakaTree@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Sort of describes bulimia I guess
pulsey@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
diarrhea also helps
Seefoo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Now replace calories with rape
Mannimarco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I believe that was the reference yes
axexrx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The one fad diet doctors really dont want you to know about
bhamlin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That sounds terrible.
DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Addicted to alcohol: Stop drinking. You can’t control an addiction so you have to completely stop.
Addicted to cigarettes: Stop smoking. You can’t control an addiction so you have to completely stop.
Addicted to crack: Stop smoking crack. You can’t control an addiction so you have to completely stop.
Addicted to food: Must be your fault for being weak-willed. Just don’t consume so much of that thing that you’re addicted to. You can control your addiction. Just stop being a loser…
The literal solution to every addiction is stop it, cold turkey. One Day At A Time. But you can’t stop eating food. You’ll die.
So it’s as if an alcoholic has to constantly have just a little alcohol. Or a crackhead has to keep smoking crack, but only every once in a while. No problem, just control yourself…
I’m sure telling people that they’re pieces of shit for eating food will fix the problem, eventually. We just have to try a little harder.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That’s all true, and it’s all pointless.
It doesn’t matter whose fault it is or how hard it is. There literally is only one person who can fix your obesity, and it’s you. Yes, that’s hard. Yes, that sucks. But it’s also the only way.
Discussing whose fault it is and what of blame there should be is, at an individual level, completely pointless. There is one person in charge of what you eat, and it’s you. Factors may influence it, but in the end, you move the food to your mouth. You are the only person in the universe who can fix the situation, and if you don’t, it won’t get fixed.
Taking the position that you’re a powerless victim of circumstances will just hurt. Admitting that you’re obese because you eat too much, and that you can control how much you eat, will help fix your problems.
Every time you hear someone say “it’s my thyroid” or “I have PCOS” or “I can’t afford the gym”, or “I have a food addiction” or “I have BED” as an excuse, you’re talking to someone who sees themselves as a victim rather than the person who can fix their problem. All those things might be true, but none of those issues move food into your mouth. You do that, and you can stop doing that because you’re a thinking human being and not a seacucumber or a daffodil.
Getting from “I am obese” to “I am keeping myself obese” was very hard too. It requires taking ownership of your mistakes, it requires introspection. And then you go into a long and uncomfortable process of fixing the problem you caused, and it sucks. Losing weight is shit. Feeling hungry sucks, and it sucks 24/7. But damn, losing weight feels amazing and it’s all worth it.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Congratulations on your weight loss. You are correct that it is such a psychological battle to place yourself at the helm.
After having kids I really struggled with losing the weight. Now it probably was hormonal, but naming the reason doesn’t take the weight off. I had to accept that I was going to have to work harder than some people. That there is no such thing as fair - just because some tiny person can eat a double cheeseburger with fries and not gain weight does not mean that my body will afford me that same luxury.
Once I realized that there was really no way out but creating a calorie differential, I started logging calories. When my brain begged me to snack constantly I ate cherry tomatoes or cucumber slices. I worked my ass off at the gym. And I would go weeks without dropping a single pound before my body finally would give a few up all at once. But there is no such thing as easy weight loss, and you are so correct that you have to force yourself to be the boss.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Companies also try to make foods as addictive as possible and as flashy as possible. It’s like avoiding the constant casino ads as a gambling addict, but like if you had to keep stepping into a casino every week forever and only doing low bets.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
but you had to keep stepping into a casino every week forever and only doing low bets.
at least 3 times a day, plus once in a while in between, maybe on your phone.
good luck not going bankrupt
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
on top of that, if someone is using excess food to “self medicate” issues like… IDK, anxiety? by forcing the body to go from the Sympathetic nervous system response to the Parasympathetic nervous system response… yeah. Fun coping mechanism makes one fat.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s just one approach to addiction. Personally, I think it assumes people are weak with no self-control, which seems to be exactly the argument you’re making.
The emphasis on abstinence and any exposure at all being a failure might even make binging more likely if someone gives in just a little, as their counter is now reset, so might as well take advantage.
And the obsession/fascination with the addiction target continues or even gets ramped up.
I like the moderation approach a lot better. I don’t binge drink every weekend anymore, but if I do feel like having a drink every now and then, I just do instead of spiraling because I need to treat it like some sort of personal failure.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The way chemicals interact with dopamine, some of those substances are a LOT harder than others. You just need to change the food you eat. I found fasting easier than meticulous dieting. I had the willpower and was enable to accept the simplicity of simply not eating.
DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Oh for sure…fasting is waaay easier. That’s kinda my point. Fasting is literally not eating.
Unfortunately you can’t just do it forever. Well I mean, you can…
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
I control my addictions by limiting supply. I buy a fifth of bourbon and a case of beer once a month and that’s what I get. If I go on a bender for a week and run out tough shit.
I don’t have problems with overeating but if I did my strategy would be to have a limited supply of things I don’t have to cook. No chips or soda or sugary bullshit. Just full ingredients that have to be prepped and cooked. When I did cook or order food it would be in an amount that’s appropriate. Add friction between me and the things that are a problem for me so it’s easier to put off consuming them. Maybe that would work. I don’t know.
I also have an abhorrence for delivery services so that helps too.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The bourbon and the case of beer are just empty calories and cancer-causing carcinogens. They’re an escape but there are other escapes out there that won’t harm you.
DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Every fat person on earth already knows that too much food makes you fat.
Yet somehow, even armed with this knowledge, we’re all fat.
Curious.
frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It’s funny how you never visualise the person on an internet forum as fat, but some of the people typing here are fat.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
We tens to visualise the people typing like us. At least, I do
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Most.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
matlag@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
A combination of sugar subsidies, market penetration of transformed food while the food industry figured they could make their customers sugar-addict, the start of GDP and minimum salary drifting away from each other, meaning poor households no longer able to afford quality food, and running through 2 or 3 jobs doesn’t leave you much time to cook.
So, in a summary: that’s completely a personal responsibility issue.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A significant part of it is the stuff they put in our food.
Dasus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jokes on you I got some sort of undiagnosed malabsorption issues and won’t get fat even when I eat burgers and candy and alcohol day after day.
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
That sounds like a very expensive chronic issue.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Nice superpower.
Hikermick@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Coeliac disease? Does your poop float?
jeffep@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I understand the burger bit but who eats a human hand? That’s just gross
Gork@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
My god why didn’t I think of that!
Mailloche@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Lost 100 pounds going vegan. 10 years later lost another 15 pounds adopting running as a passion. Ten years later gained 15 pounds becoming a weight lifter. Ten more years after that I weight 185 pounds, body fat 12-15% , feel strong look great. Now I added triathlons to my routine.
It’s both nutrition and staying active. We’re such lazy animals that we have to fight our impulse to sit still and eat silly … Who knew that the key is having a healthy, active lifestyle…
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’ve got that fun bit of autism where I can just will myself to not be hungry. Can only do it so often before my instincts put a stop to that by making me ravenous for like 2 days straight though. Probably shouldn’t be doing it for days at a time now that I think about it.
lasta@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
WITHDRAW CONSENT (projectile vomits)
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
YSK: If you are an American Citizen or US Tax Resident, your first 200 pounds of fat is legally exempt and therefore does not count for BMI Purposes. Nutritionists hate this one simple trick!
Follow me for more advice.
abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s a lot of people in here talking about fitness, fasting, etc. but it really just comes down to calories in, calories out.
You have to acknowledge what you’re eating and what it does to your body. Calling out yourself, and the foods you eat.
All you need is:
- How many calories in a serving
- How big is a serving
- How many calories can I have today
- Self control
- Water
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
They should invent food that has 0 calories to eat when you’re bored instead of hungry.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I keep telling my burger “no”, but it won’t respond, so I keep biting it until it will.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
omg guys! this actually works!
I was just eating a fat burger for lunch and was getting really full. I wasn’t sure how I could finish the rest of it and I just told the calories to fuck off and I was able to finish the whole thing!
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
You know they tube feed patients in comas, right? The patient presumably didn’t give consent, and yet I’m pretty sure that’s legal.
kittykillinit@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
I feel like a lot of people who are addicted to food don’t have much else in their life to keep them excited.
Chais@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Ingesting then counts as consent. It’s like those banners reading: “By continuing to use this site you agree to our privacy policy.”
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In my country, fast food is too expensive, much cheaper to be eating homestyle meals at a roadside shop.
gray@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Without food, what will happen to shit?
blujan@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Technically true most of the times
harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Or move to rural Britain. Food so gross you’d rather starve.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Were you raped by big burger, give the law offices of James Scott Farrin…right now.
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Fasting is a real thing
Ramadan
Lent
And just straight up fasting or intermittent fasting
It’s healthy too. Just dont, if youre pregnant, a child, under nourished, under weight, sick etc etc
And during a fast… feel bad? Just eat.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I KNOW MY HIPAA RIGHTS.
wabafee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I blame dopamine
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
You had to put an image, eh? Well now I’m just going to make a fucking burger and eat it till I cry.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is a joke but I lost 20 pounds so far just by eating half as much as I normally would.
prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
That’s the way it works, you’re no joke homie
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thermodynamics is a cruel but fair mistress
Mac@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Reminder to readers thay there is a stark difference between “cutting back” and starving yourself.
Smaller portions and less calorie-dense options make a huge difference over time.
Fluffy_Ruffs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s also much more sustainable. Make small tweaks as you go versus making big, drastic swings at your eating habits.
kittykillinit@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
This might sound weird, but after a point it’s easier to just forego eating. It can be kind of dangerous how effective it is, but anyone who has gone a long time without food probably recognizes how their body stops bothering them with hunger.
ulterno@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Also, fruits are better than fruit-juice, unless you really need those quick calories.
criss_cross@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is, the trick is it’s easier said than done for people.
It’s tricky to require your brain and overhaul your habits.
I say this as someone who also has lost 25 lbs. there’s a reason people refer to it as a journey.
I say this less to diminish your point and more for support of others who are going through this thinking “man this is impossible but everyone makes it sound easy”. It’s not. It’s a marathon not a sprint.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lots of things are easy to do once, but doing them continuously for as long as necessary is extremely hard.
That being said I was starving for like two weeks but eventually I found I can’t eat that much anymore and it got easier.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It’s simple math, consume more than what goes in.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yep. And the last time I did this I helped by keeping my house around 50 degrees all the time. I figure if we spend most of our energy keeping warm then making that harder would burn more calories.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Do you think that’s something you’ll be able to keep doing for the long term? Or, do you expect that you’ll put the weight back on when you inevitably give up and start eating more?
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Not the same person, but I’ll add my 2 cents.
Eating less of what you always eat is HARD, because you eat that much to stay full. Feeling hungry 24/7 is super fucking hard, and I don’t think anyone can maintain that for long.
But it’s amazing how not-filling most processed foods are. Swapping out high-calorie, unfilling food for low-calorie filling foods made it pretty much effortless.
I didn’t feel hungry, I didn’t need to eat that much. But dieting is still hard, because I also ate out of habit. A bag of snacks in front of the tv, a snack with a drink after lunch, etc etc. Not because I was hungry just because it’s tasty.
Breaking that habit was also pretty easy. See, you don’t need to diet 24/7. I only need to focus on dieting half an hour every other day, when I’m buying food at the supermarket. If I don’t buy snacks, I can’t eat snacks, it’s really simple. Anyone can be strong for 30 minutes every other day, that’s easy.
So yeah, dieting is done first your head, and then in the supermarket!
Step 1: admit your obesity is your own fault, and thus within your control Step 2: buy better food, buy less crap. Step 3: keep doing step 2 forever.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Now that I’m used to eating less I’ve found that I simply can’t eat like I used to without discomfort.
Case in point: last night I got an Italian sub and was full after half of it, while previously I would have housed the entire thing.