It’s a bit clearer in french; “weed” is “mauvaise herbe” which literally translates to “bad herb/grass”.
Plant Slurs
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Jayjader@jlai.lu 8 months ago
sirico@feddit.uk 8 months ago
My co-workers call me weed I think it’s because I’m tenacious
simulacra_procession@lemmy.today 8 months ago
How about honeysuckle vs trumpet vine? Both grow like hell, invasively, where I live. One is a tasty and pleasant treat when flowering. The other is just. There, growing. A lot.
Wolf@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Same rules apply. If you don’t want it there, it’s a weed. If you don’t mind it being there, it isn’t.
Mossheart@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Weeds are just highly successful flowers that have earned resentment from others.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 8 months ago
i call this the weed paradox.
even though weeds grow unassisted. it is impossible for everyone to grow weeds in their garden. for is they try, they are no longer weeds
wolfrasin@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Nobody’s said it so I will.
A weed is any plant that grows on disturbed or compacted soil without cultivation. Their growth conditions are created by humans and their spread is caused by humans.
Our opinions mean nothing to plants
chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
OOP is the author of something like seven published novels, one of which has been adapted into a movie and another of which may soon be made into a streaming series. Never feel embarrassed to say what you learned today.
ballgoat@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It’s easy when you didn’t know something that is completely reasonable not to know, like in this example, but it’s always good to admit your ignorance.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 months ago
Ironically, weed isn’t a weed for many people.
trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
A weed is whatever your HOA says it is.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 8 months ago
A HOA is a weed.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Weeds is just the gardening term for “their kind”.
the_tab_key@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“you people”
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 months ago
He’s a bit slow on the uptake
CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
The general definition of a weed is “any plant growing where you don’t want it to be”. A corn plant in a bean field is a terrible weed.
Grass@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
what the hell is a bean field? also beans are great with corn they climb the stalks, also have squash, then boom you have the so called three sisters.
CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
I am aware of, and deeply intrigued by, the three sisters method. It’s just not a commercially viable method of growing those crops; I don’t know what the harvest would look like.
We need to grow a lot more industrial hemp, but I’m afraid that’s a bit of a pipe dream unless we change…literally everything.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Never heard of the battle of the beanfield?
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
Bush beans are a thing? Soybeans don’t climb either, and it’s the most common bean grown in the US.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The idea of “weeds” is a colonialist construct.
Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml 8 months ago
In Thailand, if you can eat it, it’s not a weed.
dustyData@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Is this fish but with plants?
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
fish but with plants is trees
pyre@lemmy.world 8 months ago
get out… are you saying barks have no meaning
callouscomic@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Then we go and define things as “invasive” as if the world hasn’t been ever-changing for billions of years. As if we know better and need an environment to remain exactly as we found it, forever. As if nature won’t just fucking figure it out.
sammer510@hexbear.net 8 months ago
This is a terrible take. Just because you imagine that nature will “figure it out” doesn’t mean we shouldn’t still try to good stewards of the environment all the same. In LA where I live, the mustard plants that the Spanish spread take over everything and push out the native wildflowers that native pollinators rely on. Then they dry up in the summer because they’re not meant to be here and provide fuel for fires. It I objectively bad for the environment in every measurable way. And don’t get me started on kudzu. The environment is so fucked up BECAUSE of people like you going “Oh nature will just figure it out”. Do better
callouscomic@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
California’s general mishandling of nature and natural resources is a great example of what I’m talking about. We don’t have a fucking clue, yet we think we know better, and no lessons get learned despite how clearly wrong our solutions are. Like the wildfires and water “management.”
chunes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Lots of know-it-alls proving your point
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Invasive species are something else. They can cause active harm to an ecosystem and are crucial to look out for, especially in sensitive areas. Just because “life finds a way” doesn’t mean destroying a niche habitat is okay.
stray@pawb.social 8 months ago
It definitely counts as invasive if we put it there though. I don’t see rabbits swimming to Australia.
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
In Spanish we call them “malas hierbas”
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I learnt from Animal Crossing that it was “Malezas”
swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Some countries in Latin America call it maleza and others do not
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Maleza is more like a thicket or lots of malas hierbas.
But now I see that in some countries is synonymous with mala hierba, I didn’t know that.
Binette@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
In french, it’s skmilar: “mauvaises herbes”
ShutUpDonnie@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
And I think that’s beautiful.
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 8 months ago
In German it’s “Unkraut” which could either be interpreted as “not herb”, “abnormal herb” or “evil herb”. Is the range similar in Spanish?
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Estonian is umbrohi which is kind of like “not grass” so pretty similar to Deutsch here
TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Other than the “not” part, yeah. “Mala” is bad, wrong, evil, wicked, ill, naughty, etc.
(Checked this to confirm before I posted, since it’s been several years since I’ve known Spanish well enough to speak it.)
Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 months ago
My garden is all weeds. Tons of different plants, but some dominate in certain seasons, growing like 5 feet high. Seems to have avoided anything nasty though, no thistles, nettles or brambles.
My neighbour’s garden is a thin layer of plastic astroturf. And they let a dog run about on it. Good luck getting dog diarrhoea out of that.
I know which I prefer.
baggins@beehaw.org 8 months ago
I have brambles sprouting up all over the place from where they were left to spread by the previous occupant. And that sodding bindweed stuff.
If it wasn’t for my wife it’d be full of veg.
GrantUsEyes@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
brambles
Don’t jnow what plant it is, but what a great word.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Nature’s barbed wire. They often have things like blackberries on them.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If you are happy with the plants being where they are then they aren’t weeds. The main problem is companies that sell plant killing chemicals and services treat the word ‘weed’ as if it had a universal meaning.
Psaldorn@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I wish someone had warned me before no now may about brambles.
1 shoulder injury and a year later I need chainmail gloves and a fucking flamethrower. I fill my green bin with brambles, by the time it’s picked up they’ve grown back.
The main root is under a shed. I don’t know how to eliminate it.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Brambles can be valuable plants, providing shelter and food for many small animals and tasty blackberries for people. But, if they become noxious, they can spread quickly and choke out all other plants. They spread by rooting from the plant tips and even if you dig up the root system, any little piece of root can and will re-root and grow a new plant.
Either move the shed to get at it - all of it - or you honestly may need to resort to herbicide to kill it. It sounds like you have fought them mechanically and are losing the war. I would recommend consulting your local garden center for the best herbicide to apply to kill them.
TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t know if this will work on brambles, but for pesky root systems I’ve had luck with Bovide’s Stump and Vine killer. You cut near the base of one of them, then paint the exposed stem with this stuff. It absorbs into the root system and kills all of it. Works great on pokeweed.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 months ago
The worst I had to deal with was pampas grass, which appears to be a plant made of actual swords.
I spent three days hacking at it in a coat so I wouldn’t get shredded. When I finally cut the root bulb out it was a cube of wood a foot across. I could barely lift it out, I had to roll it to the bin.
At least pampas grass doesn’t spread.
MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I don’t know if you’re opposed to herbicide, but triclopyr will kill it. You can get triclopyr salt (water based) and apply it to the freshly cut stump surface (within moments of cutting), or triclopyr ester (oil based) and apply it to the outside of the plant close to the base, no cutting required. Both of these will kill the root. Otherwise just keep cutting and eventually you will exhaust the root.
Not sure about elsewhere, but in the USA you can typically buy the water-based triclopyr salt in a small bottle with a brush attached to the cap. This is in pretty much any garden store. Even though you have to cut the plant first I think this is the best form for just a few plants.
QuincyPeck@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I also prefer your dumb neighbor having diarrhea stained astroturf.
Machinist@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What about invasive vs naturalized?
sgtlion@hexbear.net 8 months ago
SpoopyKing@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Just wait until he finds out about “tree”
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Any kind of twig that’s not a shrub?
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
A nice one, and not too expensive.
Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Yes, this was a real educational technicality fuckup, it seemed sus but everyone was like “don’t you know it’s a weed”? - “No, no I do not. And you don’t even have a field to worry abut crop yields, it’s just a lawn & now there is a flower in it, wtf.”
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
My definition: aggressive spread and resilience to removal.
Weeds that are pretty might get more of a pass than ones which are ugly, poisonous or thorny, but ultimately, even the most beautiful flower becomes a weed when it’s suddenly everywhere and you are fighting constantly to get rid of it.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My definition: aggressive spread and resilience to removal.
That fits to a lot of useful plants too. Strawberries, Brambles, Mint, just to name a few.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes. If you don’t have adequate containment then strawberries can absolutely be a weed.
A delicious weed, but still a weed.
GreenMartian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
aggressive spread and resilience to remove
Many would argue that mint is an herb. But if you ever had your garden invaded by mint, you’ll definitely classify them under weed.
Always plant mint in a pot. And if your neighbour has mint in their garden, you better have a 2m trench filled with concrete between their garden and yours.
Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Humans are a weed.
Not_Dav3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
the fact it’s spreading means that it’s perfectly adapted for survival in that environment you created, so it’s perfect for that pace.
There is such a thing as exotic invasive species that destabilize the local ecosystem, though.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
No weed is for plant. Fir animals its pest/vermin.
archonet@lemy.lol 8 months ago
[with visibly bloodshot eyes] “Nah, man, I disagree with your definition there.”
squaresinger@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Don’t smoke dandelions.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 8 months ago
But do make wine from them…
Carl@hexbear.net 8 months ago
A guest on Space Ghost Coast to Coast put it best. “A plant out of place” is a weed, like an insect out of place is a pest. It’s a definition that centers ecology and targets invasive species.
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Well, “weed” can be a legal definition. A lot of governments have a noxious weed list that either provides for consequences if you suffer that plant on your property, or just an excuse for the government to come on to your property to kill the weeds for you. For instance, Russian Olive is legally a “kill on sight” invasive plant in my area.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 months ago
noxious and invasive weeds.
Madrigal@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
weeds are plants with the capacity for spite
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 8 months ago
Fun fact: the name for a weed in my native language is literally “angry grass” :3
stray@pawb.social 8 months ago
In Swedish the prefix for bad stuff is the same as the prefix for not or un-. So a monster is a not-animal and a weed is ungrass. Which is especially interesting to me because that same prefix (o) is for better versions of things in Japanese.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Mine translates to “bad grass” in both my mother languages.
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Another fun fact about plant naming conventions: all lettuces* are the same species
*except wild lettuce but nobody really considers that a lettuce. Still, I guess it would be more correct to say all of the food lettuces are the same species.
Irrelevant side quest that I went on while double checking this: DuckDuckGo now forwards some search queries to their chatGPT wrapper, which prompted (pun intended) the following interaction:
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ThanksForAllTheFish@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
More powerful AI says:
No, not all lettuces are the same species, although many commonly consumed lettuces (e.g., iceberg, romaine, butterhead, oakleaf, and leaf lettuce) belong to the same species, Lactuca sativa.
However, some plants commonly called “lettuce” belong to different species or even genera. Examples include:
Lactuca sativa: The typical garden lettuce varieties (iceberg, romaine, butterhead, oakleaf, loose-leaf lettuces).
Lactuca serriola: Wild lettuce, an ancestor to cultivated lettuce.
Valerianella locusta: Corn salad or lamb’s lettuce, commonly consumed as lettuce but from a different genus.
Cichorium endivia: Endive, sometimes called lettuce but technically not in the lettuce genus (Lactuca).
Eruca vesicaria (Arugula or rocket): Often mixed with lettuces but belongs to an entirely different genus and family.
In summary, while most common lettuces belong to a single species (Lactuca sativa), not everything commonly called lettuce or used similarly in salads is botanically the same species or even genus.
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Are those actually considered lettuces, though? It’s most likely a cultural thing but none of those are lettuces over here. As in, calling them lettuce would be as far fetched as calling spinach lettuce.