cross-posted from: discuss.tchncs.de/post/55430533
"Being vegan is unnatural"
Submitted 2 weeks ago by nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de to [deleted]
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Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think this post might be too powerful for lemmy shitpost.
Decoy321@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m genuinely impressed by the amount of reports I’ve gotten from this thread. This is top tier shit.
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Can we get a peek? Sounds juicy
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This post is like the one ring of power, if we let it go on for too long everyone here will become a shitpost gollum. The proper thing to do is cast this shitpost into the toilet bowl of mordor where it was forged.
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lemmings read “shitpost” and hear “I need to shove this post up my shitter”
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Veganism is unnatural because we’re all omnivores, and evolved eating both plants and animals.
Impregnating cows this way is also unnatural.
Both can be true.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Fun fact, we evolved to eat raw meat, that’s why we have an appendix. Then, when we stopped eating raw meat, we started to evolve away from the appendix.
Evolutionary arguments don’t support the naturalist fallacy, because evolution doesn’t work like that. It responds to environmental pressures. It’s not some guiding light for what we’re “meant” to be doing, it’s the tools we’ve got to support what we already did.
Caffie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This article says it was for raw vegetables:
For our ancestors, the appendix most likely evolved to help them digest a diet rich in raw vegetables and cellulose, as it still does in many herbivorous mammals. Thousands of years ago it would have functioned as an extension of the cecum, involved in the bacterial digestion of fibrous plant materials.
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
That is not proven though, the appendix part, that’s the explanation I like the best as well. Other explanations, I forget, the aliens had it for some shit we don’t even know about, oh yeah, the more likely non joke one, and it could be what you say and this both many organs do multiple things, is to provide a reservoir of gut bacteria, to repopulate the gut after the system is flushed. That would go right along with digesting raw meat, as using independent bacteria is large part of the human body we’ve come to learn.
I forget what the other theories are, but there are others for the appendix, I believe the raw meat and reservoir of bacteria both though is most likely.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
To quote Meatloaf: 🎵🎶 IIIIIIIIIIII WANT MY
MONEYAPPENDIX BACK!🎶🎵CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s probably got more to do with eating less rotten meat than eating less raw meat. It has functions for the immune system it is like the surveillance system for what is being introduced to the body.
mech@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
we’re all omnivores
Except, you know, the vegans.
snooggums@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
They are still omnivores who choose to limit their diet. Acknowledging that is a choice gives it meaning, which would be lost if it was treated as something similar to being an herbivore.
I am not personally a vegan or vegetarian, but respect the choice to limit one’s diet for the purpose of limiting animal suffering.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
that’s a choice by an individual. doesn’t change how their body behaves due to millions of years of evolution.
ironically, the thing that gave them the ability to make the choice to be vegan is the thing they are rebelling against. high volumes of protein, specifically those from consuming the brains and muscle of prey, allowed the species to grow larger and more complex brains.
in a few million years vegans are going to be too stupid to make the choice for themselves and will return to consuming meat because they’re omnivorous.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Given that I’m typing this in a climate-controlled room on a computer that is connected to the internet, I would say that natural/unnatural has lost relevancy to modern lifestyles.
moonburster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve found the rare rational person on this thread. Run before it taints your soul!
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Vegans will NEVER have the political clout to force their way of life on everyone, and they’re mad AF about it.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
to force their way of life on everyone
So fascism?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Vegans don’t want to force anything on anyone. What we want to do is to persuade people to change their minds. I believe wholeheartedly that veganism as a majority position is inevitable. In the past, the idea that black women would be allowed to vote was more unthinkable than majority veganism is now. History trends towards progressivism.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not just political clout. Attempting to politically force veganism on the world would result in a war, not just votes against it.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
People won’t willingly give up meat, so barring the issue being forced due to economics, the way to a vegan society is via cultured meat.
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Our monkey ancestors were more vegan than meat eater.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Today, most people are “more vegan” than meat eater, too, as in they eat more grains and vegetables than meat. If that’s what you meant.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
More vegan.
What a curious phrase. Not just for the substitution of vegetarian for vegan, but for the use of “more”. More vegan. I thought it was binary. Are their partial vegans? I thought that wasn’t allowed.
Because my diet includes more calories and nutrition from plant matter than meat most days, am I more vegan now?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
that’s like comparing us to the primordial plankton that use to eat microbes.
it’s just really stupid.
let’s ignore 25 million years of evolution.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
There’s no evidence to support that. Best evidence is that our ancestors for the longest time were likely opportunistic omnivores. Plants of course were a large part of the diet, but looking back to about 3.9 mya meat was on the menu.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Not only that, but also vegan died is literally making people crazy (or crazy people are more often on vegan diet, dealer’s choice).
Source: www.tandfonline.com/doi/…/10408398.2020.1741505#a…
The majority of studies, and especially the higher quality studies, showed that those who avoided meat consumption had significantly higher rates or risk of depression, anxiety, and/or self-harm behaviors. There was mixed evidence for temporal relations, but study designs and a lack of rigor precluded inferences of causal relations. Our study does not support meat avoidance as a strategy to benefit psychological health.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Impregnating cows this way is also unnatural.
Definitely. Aren’t their hands in the anus?
altphoto@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
A guy reading a Bible on one hand with his hand a foot deep into a cow’s behind…they let you do it if you’re famous said the lord.
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Fruit is perfectly wholesome and natural though. Except they aren’t…
Corn is basically a bulge of semen because of how humans have bred it.
Bananas are incapable of reproducing. All bananans you find in the supermarket are clones. If men were to die out, so would the common (cavendish) banana.
Cows are bred for milk production. If it wasn’t for men, their milk production would be very different. It’s just as natural as a banana.
LSNLDN@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Cows are just as unnatural as bananas, but the farming of animals is much more cruel, unnecessary, and destructive to the environment
sen@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Wait which part of the man is the banana reliant upon
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I JUST RECENTLY found out I enjoy corn now. Dont take this away from me.
obre@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ITT: Animal abuse apologia
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
no one is defending animal abuse
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Hands up you FREAK!” “…im a farmer” “omg thats cool, can i bring my kids to watch and maybe they can try?”
ronl2k@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“omg thats so cool, can i bring my kids to watch and maybe they can try?”
Context is everything. “The Bible: In the Beginning” (1966) contains a long fully nude Adam & Eve scene, but schools were encouraged to send kids to see it. My school did. But nudity in movies was very rare in 1966 and such a scene would normally have been prohibited by government censorship if not for the biblical framing.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Interesting that someone could look at a normal (albeit unpleasant) veterinary procedure and immediately think of beasiality.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
99.9999% of people on here have no idea of how farming works
Urist@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
There is nothing normal about shoving your entire arm up a cow’s asshole in order to slightly increase the chance of your artificial insemination working so you can murder its baby and drink all the milk produced to nurture that baby.
You’re sick.
GR4CELESS@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
“Normal” in the context of industrial agriculture… Which has existed for less time than beastiality (source: idk might have made it up but it seems likely)
Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
And this, kids, is why we don’t determine our morality according to whether or not a behaviour is “normal.”
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
this entire post and thread.
doug@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
also I’m just happy to see such engagement in the fediverse. really brings out the lurkers.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
dude i’m not one to kinkshame, but, uh, your kink is showing
db2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Farmers are weird therefore vegans aren’t”
🤦♂️
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“this image clearly shows weirder things than any vegan does”
Grimy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You guys are doing it for the meat and that’s weak. I don’t need a reason.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
If people are willing to mastrubate bulls for money, then just imagine what else they are willing to do to earn a buck.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bull*. Earn a bull. Bucks are deer, silly.
Decoy321@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ghost@literature.cafe 2 weeks ago
The posters here are the same types of men who used to argue that enslaved human beings weren’t ‘people,’ merely property to do with as they pleased.
Yes, there are savagely callous, rather unintelligent and spiritually devoid humans who claim that cows - and by implication all other non-human beings - are not ‘people,’ but it doesn’t make it true. It just betrays their own barbaric stupidity.
The argument that non-human animals do not share some vague set of traits that make humans the only species worthy of being classified as ‘people,’ is small-minded and ignorant, and based on outdated, biased and anthropocentric beliefs.
Cows are beings - like all mammals - who share the same kind of social bonds, care and love for family and community that humans share. They live complex emotional lives. They ARE ‘people,’ just as whales (who ARE legally recognized as having personhood), dolphins, elephants and primates are ‘people.’
Unfortunately we live in a society that more readily ascribes personhood to a sociopathic corporation than it does living, loving beings who nurture their young, suffer and grieve, and deserve to live lives of dignity as much as any human does.
scitechdaily.com/this-cow-uses-tools-and-its-forc…
No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
dasrael@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I came across a vidya on the interwebs many hears ago where a monkey grabbed a frog and used it as a fleshlight… Ever since then Ive had a different relationship with the word “unnatural”. The truth is that shoving your arm up a cows ass and eating vegan fervantly and being a hater ass bitch are all perfect examples of natural human behaviour…and im well past thinking theyre not.
endless_nameless@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s fucked up how people here only seem to have an issue with the cow getting artificially inseminated. The bulls can’t consent either. Just like with humans, people either don’t concern themselves with male consent, don’t think sexual abuse of men matters nearly as much as when it happens to women. I don’t really have an opinion on artificial insemination, I just found it fucked that this misandrist double standard is so strong it even extends to animals.
Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Life eats life. I’m not going to try to convince a lion to not eat a gazelle, and I’m not going to try and convince a human not to eat the thing its been hunting and eating for 10 thousand years.
I agree that factory farming is terrible. If we are going to eat an animal, its best if we raise it and kill it ourself in the quickest and most painless way possible, to ensure happiness and health during its life and mitigate as much suffering. It also forces us to face the act of death itself, and hopefully be grateful of the animal for the meals it provides.
All things die. As someone who went through “dying”, I can say with some confidence that dying sucks, and you will suffer when you go through it. Whether its being shot, stabbed, strangled, poisoned, or dying of the complications of old age. You are going to suffer unless you’re doped to high heaven on morphine or something similar.
Are vegans going about using opioids to euthanize factory farmed cows in mass? No? Then I guess we they’re going to suffer, and I’m not letting them suffer in vain.
THAT would be unethical.
/s
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
OK, so first of all, what they are doing in this picture is checking if the cows are pregnant. I have never seen someone being table to impregnate cows by sticking their arm up their ass.
Second thing you should remember: In nature the bull literally does not fucking care. If a cow is ovulating (bulls and cows are able to detect when this is the case), he will literally try to fuck the specific cow the entire fucking day. IRS not like he fucks the cow once and then its done, we are talking about the bull following the cow the whole day and continuously (trying to) fucking her.
I would argue, that a single small metal rod is less tiring than a horny bull trying to fuck you the whole day.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 weeks ago
I personally think we should close the loopholes in bestiality laws used by farmers.
TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You know, i used to have more heated discussions about this, but now i feel like I matured a different view on this, at all. I conceive the freedom to chose on a personal ethical base above the idea of punching down ideas just because. Ideally, being vegan is just that, being vegan. You can be whatever… It’s not mandatory to be either.
I eventually found out that any amount of rage or hate for that was only projection of my special insecurities.
clot27@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Veganism is such an elite issue like some people will fight everything except billionaires and the rich.
Veganism cant be and shouldnt be promoted especially in global south where children are still malnourished. Veganism also leads to dehumanization of certain cultures.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Look, I just like cheese okay?
FishFace@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
You know what’s really weird?
Soapboxing in a shitposting community. Bet you’re jackin’ off to it all, as well, ya perv.
Goatboy@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
You had no problem posting cow rape you sicko.
Cantaloupe@lemmy.fedioasis.cc 2 weeks ago
A23167@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
I tried it for 8 years and my body started to fall to pieces in rather remarkable ways
Greddan@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
“Natural” or “unnatural” isn’t a thing, unless you believe in ghosts. Same as “humans are meant/built/made to X”, unless you’re one of those delusional cultists who think some deity designed us all.
Whatever we do, it’s “natural” and can most often be found elsewhere in nature. There are ants that farm aphids for fuck’s sake and other animals that do even weirder shit.
altphoto@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
…My cow can’t get pregnant no matter how many times I… Hey there buddy! Wrong hole!
Worstdriver@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean… it is.
Looking at this directly from a viewpoint of what is “natural” for the human body, being vegan is unnatural.
Being an omnivore is. Our entire digestive system is such that the natural diet of the human body is an omnivorous one and it does best when treated as such. And that means a small amount of animal fats, proteins, trace minerals, and amino acids in one’s diet.
I’m not going to argue morals or ethics, because that wasn’t what the post was about. It’s what’s about what is “natural.”
Yes, you may disagree with me. Strenuously, and just know that I respect you and hope that you and yours have an excellent day wherever you happen to be on this flaming cannonball of a planet we call home.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
I mean, it’s not really bestiality if it isn’t sexual. A gynocological exam also isn’t fingering …
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
A gynaecologist “treats” the patient, benefitting the patient.
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Artificial insemination is a treatment.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“someone”
Keyword.
Devadander@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pretty fucked up to try to equate animal husbandry with rape.
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
krox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Do bulls obtain consent? Nature is rapey as hell
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is sexual, it sounds like they jack them off to acquire genetic material to impregnate the female livestock with
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Trying to be “facts forward” so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.
The method of collecting semen I’m most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.
As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery “sleeve” on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull’s penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he’s inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.
I’ve been out of that area for over a decade now a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that’s how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it’s not sexual.
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
it’s a veterinary procedure
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Aka the nudist defense.
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Is your gynecologist jerking you off?
RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Eww, no. Gross.
My gyno jerks off my cows like a civilized person.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
No, but I’ve seen some video evidence …
Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
I mean with some of the prostate exams I’ve had I’d almost assume as much.
9blb@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I’m not sure on the specific definition of “bestiality” and whether “sexual pleasure of the executing party” or whatever you want to call it is a necessity, but consent should certainly be a part of it.
Animals are, similar to children, students etc, fundamentally incapable of giving consent. If your gynecologist sticks a finger up your vagina without your consent, then it’s rape.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Well … I agree with most of your points. But animals are not humans, so consent works fundamentally different. Domestic animals are owned, so humans act as the legal guardian. Yes, there should still be regulation regarding general animal welfare.
But I don’t think artificial insemination of livestock falls into the category of bestiality. It’s a fun meme and shitpost, though.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
So they’re supposed to ask every fucking time you’re spread at the table May i please insert my finger in your vagina to do my fucking job, pretty please?
And are you sure students can’t consent?
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m a little disappointed that everybody is appealing to ethics and professionalism.
Look according to biblical law its fine as long as they’re married.