Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural"

• _tasten_tiger@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will with the explicit intention then yes it is a medical treatment.

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Right, but in the case of animals these decisions are up to the owner.

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    • _tasten_tiger@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You are aware humans are animals? The differentiation “human” is artificial and made up…

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      • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        non-animals … I didn’t think it needed spelling out.

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      • stickly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The differentiation “human” is artificial and made up…

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        You share 25% of your DNA with a tree, is it slavery to own four apple trees?

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      • Arcadeep@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The differentiation “human” is artificial and made up…

        Uh… So the differentiation between ‘cow’ and ‘chicken’ is also artificial and made up, as well as the differentiation between ‘rock’ and ‘jetplane.’

        What’s your point?

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  • snowdriftissue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will

    …and it’s medically indicated

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• snowdriftissue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not a vegan but if you think what happens to cows is a medical “treatment” then you are a dumbass

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  • Virtvirt588@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Exactly, this is basically finding excuses to justify these actions. A treatment treats a condition, yet what does this treat - an ego of an person apparently.

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• protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  it is not a needed treatment for the health and well being of the cow, it is a unecessary treatment forced upon the animal

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Right, but we do need more cows in the long run.

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    • basxto@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      a) we don’t b) they can happily fuck on their own, it just makes it harder to exploit them for their body fluids. Nobody cares about the calves, they are just needed for the mothers to lactate

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      • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Wouldn’t it make more sense to simply induce lactation than go through the whole rigmarole of artificial insemination and then having to dispose of the unwanted calves?

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    • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can find cows that fuck, no need to insert yourself into the reproductive cycle of cows.

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      • Saber_is_dead@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can find cows that fuck,

        are they in my area

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    • MrSmith@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We, in fact, do not.

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    • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      we need more cows

      Absolute slaver brained person

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      • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Nah, just for eating, they don’t need to work. We got tractors for that.

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• GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It is rape!

  Remember there have been at least one-doctor that did this to women, not in his offices to become pregnant (warning, SP?). A famous case was a doctor that raped/impregnanted (SP?) a lot of women looking to become mothers, with his own sperm. The obvious results/proof came after birth,

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  • Jumi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cows are not on the same level as humans

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    • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Arguing with vegans is like arguing with antivaxxers, they are positions based on emotions and they have their own version of reality they use to reinforce their believes. They often claim they have studies to back up their claims but the most shallow dive shows them to be bullshit.

      It’s literally evident as they try to reframe this as rape. Their need to lean on rhetoric shows they have a strong basis for their believes.

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      • lalo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What do we call a sexual act with a being that did not consent?

        Does it matter if the being is human? And what if the being is a neanderthal?

        Or say we find a lady on the street and DNA test her, find out she’s technically not human. What would we call sexually acting upon her without her consent?

        If defining this action triggers you emotionally this much, that’s a reflection of your ability to have level-headed conversations. It’s not your interlocutor as much as you’d like to claim.

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• Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Artificial insemination without consent is rape. Natural insemination without consent is rape.

  Cows cannot give consent to humans. No animal can. Hell, even if we discovered another human-like species but couldn’t have meaningful communication with them, it’d still be rape.

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can get consent from the cows owner. Definitely don’t inseminate some else’s cow without asking.

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    • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Consent from the owner?

      And what if chattel slavery still existed? Would you be free to rape a black woman if her “owner” said yes?

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      • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No, because owning humans is wrong.

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• Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  *Procedure, a treatment is to relieve negative symptoms

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