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- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
You claimed lots of things, but when comes the time to justify your beliefs, applying reason, you chose not to. Then you make claims about me without giving a proper reason. I think you’re unreasonable.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 2 days ago:
Sure, you’ve seen and know how bad it is. You also know how not as bad it can be when done otherwise.
But I’m asking why is it bad? And does it have anything to do with the treatment of the animals?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
If they don’t hold the cervix, they’re gonna be poking that insemination rod into the cow’s cervix for a while until it gets to the canal.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
What you eat is a personal choice from what’s available to you.
Would you say the same about exercise? Say out of the activities available for me there’s my two favorites: walking and kicking dogs. Do you think it’s a personal choice whichever option I pick?
thinking one way or another is superior abstracts this to philosophy and outside of reality
You don’t care what people do? Even if it would impact your personal choice?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
I’m definitely not a sociopath. I cannot even feel if you’re mad or not.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
2 steps ahead of you, I’ve been a mammal since I was born.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
They are not checking for pregnancy. They are impregnating the cows.
Though the anus they hold the cow’s cervix in order to stick the insemination rod: www.youtube.com/shorts/l6AdaYfgcfk
Getting fisted is better than getting mounted all day? Sure, you’re still gonna exploited throughout your whole life and when they can’t exploit you anymore, killed. But you forgot at least another option besides fisting and getting mounted: not being bred into existence for the sole purpose of being exploited to death.
Why do you care if factory farming is bad?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
I think it really depends on what these “human-similes” actually are.
Would there be a difference if they were an alien species or a species related to us but not Homo sapiens, when either woud still feel and have a will to live?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
Ok, now let’s equalize the trait that justifies the difference in treatment between cows and these beings: passing a turing test.
Say these human-similes are mentally handicapped and have the intellect equivalent of a cow. Would you now verdit as guilty someone who artificially inseminated one of them without consent?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
Tomorrow we discover there’s an amount of (what we thought were) human population that is not really human. There’s a vote and all countries decide to classify them as non-human animals, not part of our society anymore and now standard to farm them as food. Woud you classify artificially inseminating this human-simile without consent as rape?
If yes, what’s the difference between this human-simile and cows that grants considering one being raped and not the other?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
So artificially inseminating your property without consent is rape when it’s a human, but not when it’s a cow. What’s the difference between a cow and a human that grants this?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
Specification is not needed, even you assumed these were retail costs from the get-go,
they only compared retail costs
on the next sentence you conflated retail costs with consumer cost
they didn’t account for people
which of course they didn’t, retail costs will be the same even if the person getting the items isn’t paying for them.
When someone says “this is 30% cheaper now”, any reasonable person would understand that they’re referring to the retail cost, not the consumer cost unless otherwise specified. Like “this is 30% cheaper on my food stamps”.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
Just to make a bit more clear:
If someone was accused of slaving and raping a woman and you were in the jury, the defense says “it’s not rape, it’s artificial insemination of my property”.
You would verdit them as guilty of enslaving, but not rape because artificial insemination of his property is not rape. Did I get it right?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
Retail costs are still costs and plant based diets are globally around 30% cheaper than other diets. Where did I specify consumer (or any other particular) cost in my claim? Do you actually think the government giving free food means the food is cost free as well? Do you think self-sufficient people will affect the measure of the cost of food?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
So the only thing stopping you from raping your own slaves would be that you think owning humans is wrong. Otherwise you would be ok with raping your own slaves, is that correct?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
If owning humans were ok, nothing else would be stopping you from going into your slaves?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
An act being natural or unnatural is not a reason to say that action is good or bad. I think we all agree unecessarily harming a sentient being is bad though.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
How is it too narrow? They have considered data from more than 150 countries.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
You go to the grocery store without the belief they have resupplied?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
So you think it’s unjustified?
Or do you think it’s justified? And therefore you believe that they will kill another animal to resupply the demand that you’ve contributed to.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
I conceive the freedom to chose on a personal ethical base above the idea of punching down ideas just because.
I agree it’s a choice, but I don’t think it’s a personal one given that there is another sentient being victimized in the action.
A bit on the motivation behind vegan activism:
Say you’re against needlessly exploiting animals. And you purchase/produce animal products when there are other options available. You would be needlessly exploiting animals while affirming a contradiction, that would be hypocrisy. Nobody can force you to act on that, but they can point what you’re accountable for.
Vegans believe that most people are against needlessly exploiting animals, so they try to show this to people. Confusion may get in the way, but wanting to put on the spotlight what kind of exploitation people are supporting is what guides them.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
A: I’m a giving person. B: What would you do if you had a million dollars in your bank account? A: I don’t have a million dollars in my bank so your argumentation falls apart.
Was B unjustified in providing a hypothetical because A doesn’t have a million dollars in their account? How else would B understand the reasoning of A in a specific scenario without bringing hypotheticals?
And also you’re moving the goalpost
OP posted animals getting fisted without consent. I’m asking what we call a sexual act with a being that did not consent. Can’t get more on topic than that.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
I grant you that you’ve answered my first question. My bad for accusing you of not answering it, the message got lost in the same paragraph that was justifying an answer refusal.
I have clarified “what are hoomans” in a well defined manner and I’ll do it again: Hoomans are like any human you don’t know, but it’s been found out that they’re not from the Homo sapiens species. I also clarified that to have a false equivalency you have to have two different things being regarded as equivalent, which none of my questions have.
What’s the difference between a human and a non-human animal that justifies calling the fisting of one rape and not the other?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 3 days ago:
You claimed it’s impossible to know this in the philosophical sense, granted.
I clarified that my question was posed using “know” in the colloquial sense (i.e. to understand, to take cognition of). The question I originally asked is still unanswered.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 4 days ago:
I did not use the word “know” in the question “Do you think it’s unjustified to believe that they will resupply your demand?”. Notably, I asked if it is unjustified to believe so.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 4 days ago:
You can’t specifically point to your answer to my question because you haven’t answered it. So I’ll pose if for the third time:
If I own a human slave, me artificially inseminating them without consent isn’t rape?
The same way you can’t point to a concern that I left unaddressed, because there isn’t. So I’ll pose it for the third time as well:
If I DNA test the slave from earlier and discover they aren’t human, inseminating them without consent wouldn’t be rape?
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 4 days ago:
I’m really not worried about that being the impression folks take away from this conversation
I grant you that.
Now please remind me what was your answer to “If I own a human slave, me artificially inseminating them without consent isn’t rape?”.
Also please point out the concern with the second question that went unaddressed.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 4 days ago:
Of course they don’t, that’s why I used the word “but”. Now you also realized why I named them “hoomans” instead of “humans”. Good one!
Kinda like we can say “odd numbers are the integers but the multiples of 2”. “But” meaning “removed”, “without”.
Are you gonna answer any of my questions? I don’t want other people to have the impression that you avoid questions, but I’m afraid this deep in the thread they might feel like you’re avoiding answering.
- Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural" 4 days ago:
You asked for clarification on the second question, yet could at least have answered the first one. Seem like you are avoiding answering the first question.
I don’t know what your imaginary “hooman” is. Imagine a random human you don’t know. It’s that human, they have every human characteristic but it’s discovered they aren’t from the species Homo sapiens.