Refund and wait for a crack. Fuck Denuvo and fuck Bethesda for using them
‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
Submitted 5 weeks ago by Hubi@feddit.org to games@lemmy.world
https://www.404media.co/doom-the-dark-ages-drm-is-locking-out-linux-users-who-bought-the-game/
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secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
It’s not really Bethesda anymore though is it? Either ID software or Microsoft, no?
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
I completely forgot Microsoft bought Bethesda lol explains a lot
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If the game comes with Denuvo, never, ever buy it.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I think the point is that they often eventually remove Denuvo and it becomes a moot point.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.
It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
+1 tell us the title
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
As someone guessed above - Stranded: Alien Dawn
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
What’s the game?
Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.
gradual@lemmings.world 5 weeks ago
It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.
Yes, let’s all accept this reality and stop being useful idiots.
Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.
Randelung@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
🥺 pwease money?
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
kameecoding@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.
tomalley8342@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
maybe delays cracked version by a few days
Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.
Saleh@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.
DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in hospitals.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.
alehel@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I’m playing this.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Thanks to this news, there will be a version without Denuvo quite quickly. 🏴☠️
vga@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Doom 2016 was the peak. Eternal had that one song that kicked ass but that was mostly it.
Kichae@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Doom 2 was the peak. 2016 was a strong reimagining of Doom 3, but it was already trying to be something Doom wasn’t.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I disagree. Doom 3 was trying to be constant darkness and horror. Never forget the lack of duct tape. Doom 2016 was a strong sequel to 2 with its wide open spaces and fast-paced action.
I don’t want to feel like I’m being hunted by scary monsters. I want to be the monster.
giacomo@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
anti-consumer feature is anti-consumer. more news at 11
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Seems like it should be an easy patch, right? Assuming they have any desire to (I think it “runs” on Steam Deck, so that might be enough incentive)
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now
Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)
None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t
tomalley8342@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Denuvo’s whole schtick is that your unique system environment gets used as a part of the “unlocking key” of sorts, so it would definitely not be simple. For example windows users face the same issue with denuvo whenever windows updates, although obviously that doesn’t happen often enough to be an actual issue.
zecg@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they’ll remove it in a few years, I’m a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Same, I’m happy to wait for Denuvo to be removed, for the game patches to come out, and Nvidia to fucking fix their god damn drivers. Plus side, I’ll pay a reasonable price for the game when I buy it.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
Urge to pirate, rising…
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I’ve downloaded software that I had paid for, simply because of the bullshit involved with DRM, licence unlocking, etc.
If the user experience of a paid software or service is inferior to a pirated version, then the developers are doing something wrong.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Necessity*
Goronmon@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Or you could always just not play the game? It’s that not an option?
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
But I’m already doing that. I want to do my part to dissuade bad software practices.
Who am I kidding I’m just going to keep working through the Cacowards forever.
Ulrich@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR.
Naz@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.
I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.
Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.
That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
Ulrich@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.
vxx@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.
Mwa@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.
Turturtley@aussie.zone 5 weeks ago
Owned by zenimax, owned by microsoft. Same owners of activision blizzard. Shafted Mick Gordon. So this is kinda 100% as expected.
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
You must really fucking hate composers or not play games if you think ID is a contender for the best game studio.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
It used to be. 😭
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Tim Willits
mo_lave@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.
Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing
Id~~Bethesda ~~Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.mo_lave@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM
andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Looks like sailing is back on the menu, boys!
ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
It’s not, newest Doom has Denuvo
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
We’ll get it, comrade.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Sailing is back on the menu once Empress decides, I guess? Is Empress still the only one cracking Denuvo, or has the Denuvo Cracking scene changed much in the last 5-10 years? I don’t really keep up with it much.
MITM0@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Why pirate when you can look for alternatives
Jax@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Gonna be honest, if Dark Ages represents the future of Doom: Doom died with Eternal. I’ve played probably 75% of the game and it’s enough to turn me off of every future title.
bassomitron@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Hard disagree. Doom Eternal was a rhythm game disguised as an FPS and I hated it. It’s crazy to me how widely acclaimed it was even over Doom 2016, which I thought was amazing. I’m glad they shifted back towards a more grounded FPS style that doesn’t force you to juggle your entire weapon arsenal nonstop the entire game.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I really enjoyed 2016, couldn’t get into Eternal though. I’m definitely going to hold off on this new one until it’s been out longer and goes on sale, unless it gets standing ovations. Then, if I don’t like it I haven’t lost much.
Damage@feddit.it 5 weeks ago
Yeah I called it Doom Doom Revolution.
Still cool tho
Luffy879@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Could you elaborate on the „rythm game“ part?
I get that eternal was way more saturated and faster, but Rythm?
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.
andybytes@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.
vortexal@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, every Doom game, and at least most of Id’s other games, had native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.
User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Meanwhile, DRM-free Doom (2016) is here, it also runs quite good >>> www.gog.com/en/game/doom_2016
IEatDaGoat@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Eh 70 dollars for 10 hours of repetitive gameplay is bad value anyway.
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Well cool, now I know not to pick up the game yet.
MITM0@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Selaco is much better than this. It’s basically F.E.A.R+Classic doom
It runs on linux & utilizes the GZDoom engine & for some reason attacked by the anti-woke mob
td_sp@lemmynsfw.com 5 weeks ago
but the linux circlejerk swears game support is on par with windows!
Xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
After how id treated my man Mick Gordon, I’m torrenting cracked versions of their games here on out - pulling the patient gamer card.
Fuck the management at id. Just another corporate machine.
MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another good fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.
yesman@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.
Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Buying a game post-launch:
No brainer, imo.
Agrivar@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You forgot a bonus point:
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Cons:
maybe multiplayer isn’t very populated if you wait too long
???
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?
Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.
Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!
Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.
CybranM@feddit.nu 5 weeks ago
Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably
shiroininja@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.
piefood@feddit.online 5 weeks ago
Patient gamers represent! The older I get, the less I care about FOMO. The less I care about FOMO, the happier I am. It's a beautiful cycle.
/me goes back to playing snes games on an emulator
JayGray91@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
A lot of things in life are improved once you excise the FOMO mind cancer.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yeah, there’s so many good games and so little time, I don’t understand how anyone wouldn’t have a big backlog anyway.
Sabin10@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.