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‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

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https://www.404media.co/doom-the-dark-ages-drm-is-locking-out-linux-users-who-bought-the-game/

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  • yesman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.

    Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy

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    • TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Buying a game post-launch:

      • Better prices; often on sale.
      • Fixed and patched up.
      • Extra content often included.
      • DRM often removed.

      No brainer, imo.

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      • Agrivar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You forgot a bonus point:

        • Hardware requirements are now easier/cheaper to meet/exceed.
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      • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!

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      • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Cons:

        • maybe multiplayer isn’t very populated if you wait too long

        • ???

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?

        Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.

        Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!

        Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…

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    • thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.

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      • CybranM@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably

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      • shiroininja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.

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    • piefood@feddit.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Patient gamers represent! The older I get, the less I care about FOMO. The less I care about FOMO, the happier I am. It's a beautiful cycle.

      /me goes back to playing snes games on an emulator

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      • JayGray91@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A lot of things in life are improved once you excise the FOMO mind cancer.

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      • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, there’s so many good games and so little time, I don’t understand how anyone wouldn’t have a big backlog anyway.

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    • Sabin10@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.

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  • secret300@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Refund and wait for a crack. Fuck Denuvo and fuck Bethesda for using them

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    • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not really Bethesda anymore though is it? Either ID software or Microsoft, no?

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      • secret300@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I completely forgot Microsoft bought Bethesda lol explains a lot

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  • flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.

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    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If the game comes with Denuvo, never, ever buy it.

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      • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think the point is that they often eventually remove Denuvo and it becomes a moot point.

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  • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.

    It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.

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    • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      +1 tell us the title

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      • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        As someone guessed above - Stranded: Alien Dawn

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    • iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What’s the game?

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      • Piemanding@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.

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    • gradual@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.

      Yes, let’s all accept this reality and stop being useful idiots.

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  • Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Remember when ID games ran natively on linux? Pepperidge Farm remembers

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.

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      • Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        🥺 pwease money?

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Image

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.

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    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      well cheaters sure do ruin online games…

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      • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That’s anticheat, not drm

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    • tomalley8342@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      maybe delays cracked version by a few days

      Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.

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  • burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar

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    • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.

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  • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.

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    • DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in hospitals.

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      • jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?

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      • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.

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  • alehel@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I’m playing this.

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thanks to this news, there will be a version without Denuvo quite quickly. 🏴‍☠️

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  • vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Doom 2016 was the peak. Eternal had that one song that kicked ass but that was mostly it.

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    • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Doom 2 was the peak. 2016 was a strong reimagining of Doom 3, but it was already trying to be something Doom wasn’t.

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      • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I disagree. Doom 3 was trying to be constant darkness and horror. Never forget the lack of duct tape. Doom 2016 was a strong sequel to 2 with its wide open spaces and fast-paced action.

        I don’t want to feel like I’m being hunted by scary monsters. I want to be the monster.

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  • MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Seems like it should be an easy patch, right? Assuming they have any desire to (I think it “runs” on Steam Deck, so that might be enough incentive)

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      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now

        Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)

        None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t

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      • tomalley8342@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Denuvo’s whole schtick is that your unique system environment gets used as a part of the “unlocking key” of sorts, so it would definitely not be simple. For example windows users face the same issue with denuvo whenever windows updates, although obviously that doesn’t happen often enough to be an actual issue.

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  • giacomo@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    anti-consumer feature is anti-consumer. more news at 11

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  • zecg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they’ll remove it in a few years, I’m a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.

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    • CaptPretentious@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Same, I’m happy to wait for Denuvo to be removed, for the game patches to come out, and Nvidia to fucking fix their god damn drivers. Plus side, I’ll pay a reasonable price for the game when I buy it.

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  • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Urge to pirate, rising…

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    • Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve downloaded software that I had paid for, simply because of the bullshit involved with DRM, licence unlocking, etc.

      If the user experience of a paid software or service is inferior to a pirated version, then the developers are doing something wrong.

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      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).

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    • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Necessity*

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    • Goronmon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Or you could always just not play the game? It’s that not an option?

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      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But I’m already doing that. I want to do my part to dissuade bad software practices.

        Who am I kidding I’m just going to keep working through the Cacowards forever.

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR.

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    • Naz@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.

      I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.

      Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.

      That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?

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      • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.

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      • vxx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?

        One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.

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    • Mwa@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀

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  • mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.

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    • Newsteinleo@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing Id ~~Bethesda ~~Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.

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      • mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM

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      • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)

        Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.

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  • barnaclebutt@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.

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    • Turturtley@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Owned by zenimax, owned by microsoft. Same owners of activision blizzard. Shafted Mick Gordon. So this is kinda 100% as expected.

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    • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You must really fucking hate composers or not play games if you think ID is a contender for the best game studio.

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      • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It used to be. 😭

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    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Tim Willits

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  • tacosanonymous@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Looks like sailing is back on the menu, boys!

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    • ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not, newest Doom has Denuvo

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      • tacosanonymous@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        We’ll get it, comrade.

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      • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sailing is back on the menu once Empress decides, I guess? Is Empress still the only one cracking Denuvo, or has the Denuvo Cracking scene changed much in the last 5-10 years? I don’t really keep up with it much.

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    • MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why pirate when you can look for alternatives

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  • Jax@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Gonna be honest, if Dark Ages represents the future of Doom: Doom died with Eternal. I’ve played probably 75% of the game and it’s enough to turn me off of every future title.

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    • bassomitron@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hard disagree. Doom Eternal was a rhythm game disguised as an FPS and I hated it. It’s crazy to me how widely acclaimed it was even over Doom 2016, which I thought was amazing. I’m glad they shifted back towards a more grounded FPS style that doesn’t force you to juggle your entire weapon arsenal nonstop the entire game.

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      • Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I really enjoyed 2016, couldn’t get into Eternal though. I’m definitely going to hold off on this new one until it’s been out longer and goes on sale, unless it gets standing ovations. Then, if I don’t like it I haven’t lost much.

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      • Damage@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah I called it Doom Doom Revolution.

        Still cool tho

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      • Luffy879@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Could you elaborate on the „rythm game“ part?

        I get that eternal was way more saturated and faster, but Rythm?

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  • faythofdragons@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.

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  • andybytes@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.

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  • vortexal@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, every Doom game, and at least most of Id’s other games, had native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.

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  • User79185@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Meanwhile, DRM-free Doom (2016) is here, it also runs quite good >>> www.gog.com/en/game/doom_2016

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  • IEatDaGoat@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Eh 70 dollars for 10 hours of repetitive gameplay is bad value anyway.

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  • newthrowaway20@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well cool, now I know not to pick up the game yet.

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  • MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Selaco is much better than this. It’s basically F.E.A.R+Classic doom

    It runs on linux & utilizes the GZDoom engine & for some reason attacked by the anti-woke mob

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  • Xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    After how id treated my man Mick Gordon, I’m torrenting cracked versions of their games here on out - pulling the patient gamer card.

    Fuck the management at id. Just another corporate machine.

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  • td_sp@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    but the linux circlejerk swears game support is on par with windows!

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  • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another good fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.

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