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‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Hubi@feddit.org⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.404media.co/doom-the-dark-ages-drm-is-locking-out-linux-users-who-bought-the-game/

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  • Xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    After how id treated my man Mick Gordon, I’m torrenting cracked versions of their games here on out - pulling the patient gamer card.

    Fuck the management at id. Just another corporate machine.

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  • atlien51@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pause?

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  • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Urge to pirate, rising…

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    • Goronmon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Or you could always just not play the game? It’s that not an option?

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      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        But I’m already doing that. I want to do my part to dissuade bad software practices.

        Who am I kidding I’m just going to keep working through the Cacowards forever.

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    • Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve downloaded software that I had paid for, simply because of the bullshit involved with DRM, licence unlocking, etc.

      If the user experience of a paid software or service is inferior to a pirated version, then the developers are doing something wrong.

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      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).

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    • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Necessity*

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  • Etterra@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why though?

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    • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Read the article?

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  • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another good fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.

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    • VagueAnodyneComments@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Orcs & Elves dude, sick, i never heard of this one 👍

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  • User79185@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Meanwhile, DRM-free Doom (2016) is here, it also runs quite good >>> www.gog.com/en/game/doom_2016

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      with good music too

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  • MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Selaco is much better than this. It’s basically F.E.A.R+Classic doom

    It runs on linux & utilizes the GZDoom engine & for some reason attacked by the anti-woke mob

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    • 13igTyme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I completely forgot about that game. I played an early demo and thought it was pretty good.

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    • gradual@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just torrent your games.

      Stop rewarding companies for taking advantage of you.

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      • ulterno@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Just don’t run their shitty silicon burners on your system and get some good stuff.
        Support teams that are willing to make builds for the latest Arch release (and tell me too if you find any :P).

        I have narrowed down my “to pay” list to GoG + Linux games, only problem being, since they are not open source, we still depend upon them rebuilding the binaries for the latest systems. Otherwise, we need to then keep an older version of Ubuntu for it. Really wish GoG pushed Debian as a standard for those cases (for old games which the dev might not rebuild), because Ubuntu ages worse than Debian, when out of LTS.

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  • andybytes@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.

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    • Glamborghini@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If I can’t own, I pwn.

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      • ulterno@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If even not that, perhaps you can look into [wning

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    • agelord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I can’t own it, I’m pirating it.

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  • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Was this before or after this: lemmy.world/post/29593011

    Because I’m curious why Valve would have gone to so much trouble to make the game run on Linux just to ruin that.

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    • Hubi@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well the game runs well if you just launch it with only one Proton configuration and keep playing on that. The issue is changing the Proton version is recognized as multiple installations by the DRM and it locks you out after a couple of tries.

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      • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This is what I didn’t understand. Thank you for explaining.

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  • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    • Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      it won’t be cracked, you have to hope the devs leak the drm-free version

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      • gradual@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        it won’t be cracked

        How do you know?

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not that I would have bought it - not my type of game - but this game gets on my blacklist.

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  • IEatDaGoat@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Eh 70 dollars for 10 hours of repetitive gameplay is bad value anyway.

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    • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No way, it’s only 10 hours? Eternal was longer than that, and so was 2016!

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      • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Do you also rate books by the number of pages?

        This attitude here is what has fucked up gaming more than any greedy publisher ever did.

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      • IEatDaGoat@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I finished DOOM (2016) in 8.8 hours. Granted I didn’t stop for collectables and was on normal mode. I tried Eternal but got bored after 2 hours so that’s what I’m basing it off.

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    • biscuitswalrus@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don’t tell competitive gamers that. LOL, CS, Overwatch, COD whatever is about a simple game loop for those who enjoy that loop.

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  • faythofdragons@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.

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  • mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.

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    • Newsteinleo@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing Id ~~Bethesda ~~Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.

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      • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)

        Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.

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      • mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM

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  • vortexal@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, every Doom game, and at least most of Id’s other games, had native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.

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    • BreakerSwitch@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It wouldn’t astonish me if this were a semi-deliberate act by microsoft. While they’re trying very hard to expand to every platform, non-windows pcs seem to be the exception. Linux and OSX have the game gamepass support as your phone.

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    • Newsteinleo@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is what happens when bean counters make the decisions. Linux is only 4% of market share so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.

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      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.

        What’s so fucking annoying about these DRM issues is that basically all of the AntiCheat and DRM we have WORK ON LINUX IF YOU ENABLE ONE FUCKING SETTING

        Easy AntiCheat for example is quite literally a checkbox at some point of compiling or whatever, I’ve seen someone do it!

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  • Mwa@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    am gonna stick to Classic Doom(including doom 64) thanks even tho i didnt play doom for a while.

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR.

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    • Mwa@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀

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    • Naz@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.

      I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.

      Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.

      That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?

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      • vxx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?

        One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.

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      • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.

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  • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.

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    • DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in hospitals.

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      • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.

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      • jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?

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  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Only pay money for open source

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  • Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Remember when ID games ran natively on linux? Pepperidge Farm remembers

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Image

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.

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      • Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        🥺 pwease money?

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.

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    • tomalley8342@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      maybe delays cracked version by a few days

      Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.

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    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      well cheaters sure do ruin online games…

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      • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s anticheat, not drm

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  • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.

    It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.

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    • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It actually had Denuvo removed in August it seems

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      • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nice, might go back to it then.

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    • gradual@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.

      Yes, let’s all accept this reality and stop being useful idiots.

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    • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      +1 tell us the title

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      • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        As someone guessed above - Stranded: Alien Dawn

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    • iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What’s the game?

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      • Piemanding@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.

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  • burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar

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    • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.

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  • MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Seems like it should be an easy patch, right? Assuming they have any desire to (I think it “runs” on Steam Deck, so that might be enough incentive)

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      • tomalley8342@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Denuvo’s whole schtick is that your unique system environment gets used as a part of the “unlocking key” of sorts, so it would definitely not be simple. For example windows users face the same issue with denuvo whenever windows updates, although obviously that doesn’t happen often enough to be an actual issue.

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      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now

        Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)

        None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t

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  • alehel@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I’m playing this.

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks to this news, there will be a version without Denuvo quite quickly. 🏴‍☠️

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  • zecg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they’ll remove it in a few years, I’m a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.

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  • vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Doom 2016 was the peak. Eternal had that one song that kicked ass but that was mostly it.

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  • flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.

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  • barnaclebutt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.

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  • Jax@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Gonna be honest, if Dark Ages represents the future of Doom: Doom died with Eternal. I’ve played probably 75% of the game and it’s enough to turn me off of every future title.

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