Kichae

@Kichae@lemmy.ca

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Are "fake bans" on Lemmy a thing? I know someone who got banned from several instances, and he can still comment in some communities belonging to instances he's banned from.⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  So, when you post to a community, you’re posting to the local copy of it. Your host then forwards that post to the site that houses the community. When you’re banned from a remote site, nothing interferes with this process until the local host forwards things along. By that time, you’ve already posted.

  Now, the site that’s housing the community is responsible for federating content it receives back out again, so while you can continue to post to the community locally, those posts won’t make it to any other copy of the community. But because each instance’s copy of the community is quasi-independent from each other, you can, IIRC, still engage with other local users in that space.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The Switch 2 Rollout Was So Convoluted It Made Us Want A Steam Deck.⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  You’re not wrong, Nintendo fans will buy this. As a Nintendo fan, I will buy this - though, it’s gone from a Day 1, no-brainer purchase to “when I can justify the expense” - but Nintendo fans make up a small fraction of people who bought a Switch 1.

  See: Wii U, 3DS

  The Wii and DS printed money, and they assumed most of those users would move on to the new hardware. They did not. They had to slash the 3DS price within months, and nothing saved the Wii U.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨3's grip looks the most comfy⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Probably 2, 6, or 7. I’ve always loved the V5/V7, but the liquid ink is messy, a bic is a classic for a reason, and the PaperMate flair has been my go-to felt-tip for a long time now. Though, the ultra-fine version is much better for writing than the medium one.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Internet forums are disappearing because now everything is Reddit and Discord. And that's worrying.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Content aggregators are not forums. Just having categories doesn’t really cover it. CAs are designed so that old posts fall away quickly, so that people will keep posting new top level content and keep people emgaged in the constant scroll, much like Twitter or Facebook. They are largely unstructured, with different “categories” behaving quasi-independently from one another.

  Forums are structured spaces where the same people post stuff to the same categories, that are mostly offshoots of the forum’s core theme.

  People interact with and behave rather differently in these different contexts.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Mastodon.online invitation if anyone wants it⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  It’s harder to see on a large Lemmy instance like LW, but most of the fediverse is very patchwork. The network of Lemmy sites is itself very patchwork, with the MLs, Hexbear, Beehaw, NSFW, etc. all having different defederation profiles, but the whole space is an incomplete mesh. Mastodon has more themed instances than Lemmy, more very small instances than Lemmy, and a much bigger anti-capital, anti-commerce bent than Lemmy, with many more people complaining on main about other instances rules and federation policies, so if you look, you can really see it.

  But the whole fedi project is patchwork by nature.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Internet forums are disappearing because now everything is Reddit and Discord. And that's worrying.⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Most of these communuties using Discord are better served by something that isn’t a chatroom. So, so, so confusingly many of them use them as a store of permanent information. Like a website+forum.

  Many times the benefit of Discord is the ability to paywall parts of it with Patreon integration. We need more foss and federated options that do this.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why aren't lemmy DMs compatible with mastodon?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  So many AP platforms are made by a couple of guys in their garage, it’s not even funny, and the mentality of “just dicking around” means what gets used is whatever the whims of the day dictate, rather than the standard.

  “If it works, it’s not stupid” and all that.

  But that kind of work lacks real world testing, and depe concern for public expectaton or desire.

  Plus, you have to keep in mind that the idea of interplatform interoperability isn’t this core conceit of ActivityPub. It’s a potential use case, but it’s not an expectation. There’s no reason anyone should expect interop like that, other than some developers wanted to try it.

  But some didn’t, and now that their platforms are gaining audience, they’re refactoring to meet that audience’s expectations.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨I'm an American software developer and the "broligarchs" don't speak for me - ratfactor⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Techbros killed me, Mal.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨So, after using Lemmy for 1.5 Years. You are telling I am not even allowed to use Lemmy?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  I cannot stress this strongly enough: You have not been “using Lemmy” for 1.5 years now. “Lemmy” isn’t a service the same way Reddit is, it’s a web engine, like Joomla, or like phpBB.

  You’ve been using lemm.ee for 1.5 years.

  Nobody wants to hear this, but there’s no “Lemmy”. This emergent network of social media sites isn’t a coherent thing, and it’s not a stable concept. The attempts to make this look like a singular space are to the ultimate detriment of the network, because implicitly lying to end users about what they’re doing informs how they behave.

  You’ve been using lemm.ee. Lemm.ee has copies of content on other websites, but those websites have different rules, and different expectations than lemm.ee. You don’t get to pretend otherwise because of where you’re reading the content, and there is no guarantee that you will have further access to content from any other website than lemm.ee.

  This is a reality that people simply do not want to face, for some reason. Everyone wants to imagine that federation is just centralized social media with some voodoo in the background, but it is a fundamentally different paradigm, and this is the wild fucking west.

  You’re going to get your toes stepped on if you treat it like something it’s not.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨So, after using Lemmy for 1.5 Years. You are telling I am not even allowed to use Lemmy?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  You should understand the rules of the places you are posting to, yes.

  This is why “let’s pretend this is centralized social media and ignore the fact that we’re all on different websites” is a bad idea, actually. You don’t get to parachute into someone else’s house and expect the rules of your own home apply.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Welcome, new users!⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  It totally depends on how many people one needs in a community, and how much content they’re posting to feel served, doesn’t it?

  The persistent FOMO that has floated around Lemmy for the past two years has not been a positive for the space.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Welcome, new users!⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  It’s not “instance tribalism”, it’s making sure the website you’re using isn’t just some dumb terminal, and preventing the network from collapsing down to “lemmy.world and some empty tributes”.

  It’s creating a space that is resilient to network splits, and accepting the fact that, at some point down the road, network splits will happen.

  It’s seeing the fediverse through a “Local+” lens, and encouraging people to treat their local site as meaningful. And rejecting the illusion that this is centralized social media.

  Look for what you want on other sites. But there’s no reason to look off-site first, if what serves you is already hosted locally.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Welcome, new users!⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Welcome, new neighbours!

  While checking out this wacky new space, I’d like to emcourage everyone to check out the Local tab, either at the top of your feed, or in your app menu. That’s where yoi’ll find posts from “communitues” (Lemmy’s “subreddits”) that are hosted on lemm.ee!

  A lot of communities are on different sites, and are ported (tarriff free!) for your enjoyment, but as with most things, it seems, the most sustainable way forward is to support Local!

  One thing that many people new to Lemmy and the wider “fediverse” (because it’s not just people on Lemmy-based websites that you’ll find posting in the communities here, surprisingly enough) struggle with is that each website on the network has its own “name space”, meaning that each community name can be used on each site. So, you can have, say, !pottery@lemmy.ca, !pottery@lemm.ee, and !pottery@lemmy.world. People often fret over “having to follow all of them”, and wanting ways to collapse them into a single forum. And for a really niche topic, that might make sense (the thing to do, though, is just pick the one that best serves you and don’t worry about what’s going on on the other side of the fence). But for bigger topics, this “splintering” is often a godsend, since we can all have real discussions about the topic in smaller spaces. And, of course, !politics is going to just be meanibgfully different on .ca vs .ee vs .world.

  If you look to local first, it becomes much easier to stop worrying and love the bomb distributed network.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Sun God⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Great, Brian Greene’s been drinking again.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨How to get people to use Mastodon?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Mastodon servers are separate entities, too. The fact that they communicate with each other doesn’t change that, and the persistent desire that folks here have to imagine otherwise is a hurdle to adoption.

  The mental model is of a central space that instances grant or bar access to, but that’s simply not how the technology actually works. Too much effort has gone into trying to make ActivityPub-enabled websites look like something they’re not (centralized social media), while totally ignoring what they are: small forums and microblogs that have optional access to other forums and microblogs.

  Mastodon is web server software. “Mastodon” doesn’t exist. It’s an illusion. And the fact that everyone keeps trying to sell this illusion is exactly why there are all of these broken expectations and hurdles.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨How to get people to use Mastodon?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  The server selection problem goes away if people stop treating their hosting website as an after thought or dumb terminal. People really have to stop promoting web server software as if it’s a platform, and start finding reasons to recommend actual websites to people.

  Ain’t nobody ever recommended phpBB to anyone who wasn’t looking to host a forum.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  You have misread their comment and understood it backwards. AP’s saying people on Mastodon are engaging in Lemmy discussions.

  There is no way to follow Mastodon users from Lemmy. Lemmy simply does not work that way.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  That would require people actually recommending specific websites, and all people seem to want to do is circle jerk about “lemmy”, as if it’s a tangible place and not a website engine

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What happened to Pez?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  They gots them at the bulk barn here. And a tub of the candies.

  I bought a fistfull to use as D&D monster tokens last week

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What do you think about centralised clients?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  If what you mean by centralized apps is apps having a default website, or a hard-coded website that it accesses, then that’s also going to lead to centralizing the website.

  The fediverse is just the web. It’s not really suited to an app-first model of operation. Like, imagine having a blog-viewer app that only let you read one blog. We see this kind of behaviour from the business world, and people kind of hate it.

  The only reason it would be different here is if the network collapses, and if it does, it’s going to collapse into lemmy.world.

  Which, apparently, is a “deal breaker”.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Onboarding experience needs to be simpler for mass adoption⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  No, that’s not true. The big email providers absolutely block smaller and personal hosts. There’s a whole system of features and options you need to install and support in order to get through the door, thanks to spammers.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Onboarding experience needs to be simpler for mass adoption⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  The onboarding process should be happening after this point. People shouldn’t be going “I want to join Lemmy!”, because that’s kind of a non-sensical statement. Lemmy is a website engine. They should be going “I want to join awesomewebsite.com. Oh, and look, I can see stuff from anotheraweseomewebsite.net, too! That’s so cool!”

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Onboarding experience needs to be simpler for mass adoption⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  But it’s better from many angles that they are. Discoverability alone. Consistency of instance level rules. Theme.

  It just makes sense on some level that sports communities would be on a sports-focused website, and such a website is where people whose primary interest is in discussing sports would have their accounts. From there, they can follow other topics they’re interested in, but their primary focus is still on, I don’t know, basketball or whatever.

  Same for cars. Some of the most active forums on the internet are car ownership forums. If you could access CivicForums from IoniqForums, then it would make sense to do so. Much more sense than finding people discussing Hondas on lemmy.world and Hyundais on sh.itjust.works.

  Just because you don’t give a shit where these discussions are taking place, doesn’t mean it makes sense for people to just shit them out anywhere.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Onboarding experience needs to be simpler for mass adoption⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Being decentralized and there being a significantly higher bar of entry aren’t intrinsically linked. The only things easier about Reddit compared to a phpBB forum are that Reddit a) generates you a username, and b) has a mobile app that only works with reddit.com. Name generators can be included in the signup process, but we can’t really drop having to point an app at a particular website in a distributed model.

  The fact that “Lemmy” isn’t a website or a single, definable place on the Internet is where the friction comes from. You can point to Reddit, and say you “saw x, y, and z on Reddit this morning” and it be a meaningful statement. You can’t substitute “Lemmy” into that sentence, though, because there isn’t a Lemmy.

  There’s a thousand Lemmys.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Onboarding experience needs to be simpler for mass adoption⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  This.

  There are rough edges to the actual onboarding experience, of course, but the joinlemmy and joinmastodon and joinwahtever websites really aren’t a part of it. They’re more of an ad for admins, demonstrating that there’s an active network of sites already using the product. The fact that not even the product develoeprs seem to understand this is a real issue, though.

  Honestly, we need to stop sending people to “Lemmy” or “Mastodon” or whatever. Those are website engines. It’s like sending someone to “WordPress” when you want them to read your blog.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Honestly, I think federation being (mostly) invisible is actually part of the problem. Trying to make these spaces look like something they’re not makes people believe they work in a way that they don’t. It makes “Lemmy” look like wish-dot-com Reddit, and Mastodon look like temu Twitter.

  This is all something new. This is a thousand Reddits, where you can see over the fence at what each other Reddit is talking about. It’s ten-thousand Twitters, where you can talk to people on other Twitters.

  If you could post on Facebook articles from Twitter, people would get that maybe they don’t see every single comment, or every single Facebook article all of the time. This would be understood. Twitter and Facebook look like, and are discussed as if, they’re two totally different websites. The same would be true of AVForums and CivicForums, if they could cross-post.

  But fediverse platforms go out of their way to hide what they are, and to strip each website of its identity. And that seems wildly fucked up to me.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  People need to stop sending people to “join ___” sites. I get why they are, or at least were, necessary, but they’re totally superfluous when users are making recommendations to other users.

  Just recommend a website for them to join. Word of mouth + systematized signup makes zero sense.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What are some of the non-technical parts of the fediverse that appeal to you?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I see the same names appearing over and over again in different communities. This is, of course, because this is still a relatively small space, but it’s something that has the potential to remain true even as things grow, because we don’t all need to be in the same politics community, or in the same gaming community, etc.

  There’s more active moderation.

  Tan Eggs.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Defaults are crucial for good UX and getting more users on the Fediverse⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Default instances would go a long way

  No, suggesting actual websites to people, rather than “Lemmy”, would go a long way.

  Default instances result in centralization. In recreating the existing structures that, ostensibly, we’re all here to reject.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨I posted from Lemmy to nodeBB and got comments from Piefed, Mbin, Hubzilla and nodeBB. The Fediverse is awesome!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  There are still hiccups with nodeBB’s federation, and it’s not at all clear to me yet that it supports back-fetching forum posts yet. The devs are being super responsive, though, and I think we’ll see the rough edges sanded off quickly.