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- Comment on Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts 1 hour ago:
Basically this is true, yes, without going into an exhaustive level of detail as to very, very specific subtypes of different RAM and mobo layouts.
Shared memory setups generally are less powerful, but, they also usually end up being overall cheaper, as well as having a lower power draw… and being cooler, temperature wise.
Which are all legitimate reasons those kinds of setups are used in smaller form factor ‘computing devices’, because heat managment, airflow requirements… basically rule out using a traditional architecture.
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Though, recently, MiniPCs are starting to take off… and I am actually considering doing a build based on the Minisforum BD795i SE… which could be quite a powerful workstation/gaming rig.
Aside about interesting non standard 'desktop' potential build
This is a Mobo with a high end integrated AMD mobile CPU (7945hx)… that all together, costs about $430. And the CPU in this thing… has a PassMark score… of about the same as an AMD 9900X… which itself, the CPU alone, MSRPs for about $400. So that is kind of bonkers, get a high end Mobo and CPU… for the price of a high end CPU. Oh, I forgot to mention: This BD795iSE board? Yeah it just has a standard PCI 16 slot. So… you can plug in any 2 slot width standard desktop GPU into it… and all of this either literally is, or basically is the ITX form factor. So, you could make a whole build out of this that would be ITX form factor, and also absurdly powerful, or a budget version with a dinky GPU. I was talking in another thread a few days ago, snd somekne said PC architecture may be headed toward… basically you have the entire PC, and the GPU, and thats the new paradigm, instead of the old school view of: you have a mobo, and you pick it based on its capability to support future cpus in the same socket type, future ram upgrades, etc… And this intrigued me, I looked into it, and yeah, this concept does have cost per performance merit at this point. So this uses a split between the GPU having its GDDR RAM and the… CPU using DDDR SODIMM (laptop form factor) RAM. But its also designed such that you can actually fit huge standard PC style cooling fans… into quite a compact form factor. From what I can vaguely tell as a non Chinese speaker… it seems like there are many more people over in China who have been making high end, custom, desktop gaming rigs out of this laptop/mobile style architecture for a decent while now, and only recently has this concept even really entered into the English speaking world/market, that you can actually build your own rig this way.
- Comment on Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts 9 hours ago:
Works on Linux:
Prince of Persia, the Lost Crown
Silent Hill 2 (Remake)
Marvel vs Capcom: Arcade Classics
Shin Megamei Tensei (V)engeance
Persona 3 Reload
HiFi Rush
Animal Well
Castlevania Dominus Collection
Like A Dragon: Infinite Wealth
Tekken 8
The Last of Us Part II (Remaster)
Balatro
Dave the Diver
Slay the Princess: Pristine Cut
Metaphor Re Fantazio
Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree (and base game)
Does not work on Linux:
Unicorn Overlord (Console Exclusive, No PC Port Allowed by Publisher Vanillaware)
Destiny 2 (Kernel Level Anti Cheat)
FF VII Rebirth (PS Exclusive)
Astro Bot (PS Exclusive)
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Damn, yeah, still consoles gotta hold on via exclusives, I guess?
And then there’s the mismanaged shitshow that is Destiny 2…
…who can’t figure out how to do AntiCheat without installing a rootkit on your PC, despite functional, working AntiCheats having worked on linux games for at least half a decade at this point, if not longer…
…nor can they figure out how to write a storyline that rises above 'everyone is always lore dumping instead of talking, and also they talk to you like a 10 year while doing so.
Last I heard, a whole bunch of hardcore D2 youtubers and streamers were basically all quitting out of frustration and feeling let down or betrayed by Bungie.
- Comment on Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts 11 hours ago:
It’s shared memory, so you would need to guarantee access to 16gb on both ends.
So… standard Desktop CPUs can only talk to DDR.
‘CPUs’ can only utilize GDDR when they are actually a part of an APU.
Standard desktop GPUs can only talk to GDDR, which is part of their whole seperate board.
GPU and CPU can talk to each other, and the mainboard.
Standard desktop PC architecture does not have a way for the CPU to directly utilize the GDDR RAM on the standalone GPU.
In many laptops and phones, a different architecture is used, which uses LPDDR RAM, and all the LPDDR RAM is used by the APU, the APU being a CPU+GPU combo in a single chip.
Some laptops use DDR RAM, but… in those laptops, the DDR RAM is only used by the CPU, and those laptops have a seperate GPU chip, which has its own built in GDDR RAM… the CPU and CPU cannot and do not share these distinct kinds of RAM.
The PS5Pro appears to have yet another unique architecture:
Functionally, the 2GB of DDR RAM can only be accessed by the CPU parts of the APU, which act as a kind of reserve, a minimum baseline of CPU-only RAM set aside for certain CPU specific tasks.
The PS5Pro’s GDDR RAM is sharable and usable by both the CPU and GPU components of the APU.
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So… saying that you want to have a standard desktop PC build… that shares all of its GDDR and DDR RAM… this is impossible, and nonsensical.
Standard desktop PC motherboards, compatible GPUs and CPUs… they do not allow for shareable RAM, instead going with a design paradigm of the GPU has its own onboard GDDR RAM that only it can use, and DDR RAM that only the CPU can use.
You would basically have to tear a high end/more modern laptop board with an APU soldered into it… and then install that into a ‘desktop pc’ case… to have a ‘desktop pc’ that shares memory between its CPU and GPU components… which both would be encapsulated in a single APU chip.
Roughly this concept being done is generally called a MiniPC, and is a fairly niche thing, and is not the kind of thing an average prosumer can assemble themselves like a normal desktop PC.
All you can really do is swap out the RAM (if it isnt soldered) and the SSD… maybe I guess transplant it and the power supply into another case?
I don’t know how you could arrive at such a conclusion, considering that the base PS5 has been measured to be comparable to the 6700.
I can arrive at that conclusion because I can compare actual bench mark scores from a nearest TFLOP equivalent, more publically documented, architecturally similar AMD APU… the 7600M. I specifically mentioned this in my post.
This guy in the article here … well he notes that the 6700 is a bit more powerful than the PS5Pro’s GPU component.
The 6600 is one step down in terms of mainline desktop PC hardware, and arguably the PS5Pro’s performance is… a bit better than a 6600, a bit worse than a 6700, but at that level, all of the other differences in the PS5Pro’s architecture give basically a margin of error when trying to precisely dial in whether a 6700 or 6600 is a closer match.
You can’t do apples to apples spec sheet comparisons… because, as I have now exhaustively explained:
Standard desktop PCs do not share RAM between the GPU and CPU. They also do not share memory imterface busses and bandwidth lanes… in standard PCs, these are distinct and seperate, because they use different architectures.
I got my results by starting with TFLOPs output from a PS5Pro, finding a nearest equivalent APU with PassMark benchmark scores, reported by hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of users, then compared those PassMark APU scores to PassMark conventional GPU scores, and ended up with ‘fairly close’ to an RX 6600.
- Comment on Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts 12 hours ago:
GPU prices are ridiculous, but those GPUs are also ridiculously more powerful than anything in any console.
- Comment on Chips aren’t improving like they used to, and it’s killing game console price cuts 13 hours ago:
Ok so, for starters, your ‘reported equivalent’ source is wrong.
eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2024-playstation-5-p…
The APU (combined CPU + GPU, as is done in laptops) of a PS5Pro is 16.7 TFLOPs, not 33.
So your PS5 Pro is actually roughly equivalent to that posted build… by your ‘methodology’, which is utterly unclear to me, what your actual methodolgy for doing a performance comparison is.
The PS5 Pro uses 2 GB of DDR5 RAM, and 16 GB of GDDR6 RAM.
This is… wildly outside of the realm of being directly comparable to a normal desktop PC, which … bare minimum these days, has 16 GB DDR4/5 RAM, and the GDDR6 RAM would be part of the detachable GPU board itself, and would be … between 8GB … and all the way up to 32 if you get an Nvidia 5090, but consensus seems to be that 16 GB GDDR6/7 is probably what you want as a minimum, unless you want to be very reliant on AI upscaling/framegen, and the input lag and whatnot that comes with using that on an underpowered GPU.
Short version: The PS5Pro would be a wildly lopsided, nonsensical architecture to try to one to one replicate in a desktop PC… 2 GB system RAM will run lightweight linux os’s, but not a chance in hell you could run Windows 10 or 11 on that.
Fuck, even getting 7 to work with 2GB RAM would be quite a challenge… if not impossible, I think 7 required 4GB RAM minimum?
The closest AMD chip to the PS5 Pro that I see, in terms of TFLOP output… is the Radeon 7600 Mobile.
((… This is probably why Cyberpunk 2077 did not (and will never) get a ‘performance patch’ for the PS5Pro: CP77 can only pull both high (by console standards) framerates at high resolutions… and raytracing/path tracing… on Nvidia hardware, which the PS5Pro doesn’t use.))
But, lets use the PS5Pro’s ability to run CP77 at 2K60fps on … what PC players recognize as a mix of medium and high settings… as our benchmark for a comparable standard PC build. Lets be nice and just say its the high preset.
(a bunch of web searching and performance comparisons later…)
Well… actually, the problem is that basically, nobody makes or sells desktop GPUs that are so underpowered anymore, you’d have to go to the used market or find some old unpurchased stock someone has had lying around for years.
The RX 6600 in the partpicker list is fairly close in terms of GPU performance.
Maybe pair it with an AMD 5600X processor if you… can find one? Or a 4800S, which supposedly actually were just rejects/run off from the PS5 and Xbox X and S chips, rofl?
Yeah, legitimately, the problem with trying to make a PC … in 2025, to the performance specs of a PS5 Pro… is that basically the bare minimum models for current and last gen, standard PC architecture… yeah they just don’t even make hardware that weak anymore.
- Comment on Players Have Too Many Options to Spend $80 on a Video Game 1 day ago:
I think Titanfall 2 is still on sale on steam for uh… 5 dollars.
Its got Northstar, a custom client that allows for private multiplayer servers… also works on linux, literally has its own custom proton version.
Oh and there are mods as well, guided installers, mod managers, etc, for windows and linux.
Runs great on a steam deck!
… and looks … basically the same as a shooter from 10 years later, at least at 1280 x 800?
(its built on a custom forked version of the portal 2 source engine, so it actually runs efficiently and looks good =D)
Doesn’t have a huge playerbase, but it is decent enough that you can probably find a few well populated servers, at least in NA region.
… looks like titanfall 3 got turned into an extraction shooter and then cancelled.
So anyway yeah, hilariously its time to return to tradition for enthusiasts of many old school competetive games from before the bullshit of endless battlepasses and MTX kicked into high gear… and as others have pointed out, the indie scene is full of gems.
- Comment on Grand Theft Auto 6 release date has been announced, but the game has been delayed to 2026 | VGC 2 days ago:
$100 minimum.
My guess would be they’ll do some kind of tiered release strucructure, and/or have already finished or mostly finished 2 years+ worth of major updates, including new ‘chapters’ of the main single player story… and basically, you’ll have to subscribe.
Like … $160 for whole game, major expansion 1, 2 and 3, $120 for game + 1st expansion… Or your baseline $100, and then a subscription battlepass mmo monthly charge, or you can pay more for expansions in chunks, seperately.
Something like that.
- Comment on Tesla Board Opened Search for a CEO to Succeed Elon Musk 4 days ago:
Reinstate Eberhard and Tarpenning.
You know, the actual founders, who got forced out after the fascist Afrikaner failson pulled the same corpo tissy tantrum bullshit he did at Paypal?
All Musk did was follow the general strategic plan for the company that Eberhard and Tarpenning had laid out.
Then, when that outline was run out, and Elon had to actually think of something else, it all became a total shitshow, quite rapidly.
- Comment on A completely useful compulsion I have. 4 days ago:
… No?
She had different kinds of cleaning routines/phobias/rituals.
- Comment on 'Starter homes' cost at least $1 million in over 200 U.S. cities, Zillow data finds 4 days ago:
* curb your ethusiasm theme plays*
- Comment on A completely useful compulsion I have. 4 days ago:
Knowing Randall, I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually got his own DnD group, or conducted some sort of poll, where he actually asked people already in certain alignment categories to describe their own egg carton balancing patterns… or lack thereof.
That would come closer to the actual alignments self representing…
But also I have no idea, this is just my head canon now rofl.
- Comment on A completely useful compulsion I have. 4 days ago:
Chaotic good here.
Yep, I’m an Autist.
… Also had a mom with pretty severe OCD, so I always remember that ‘good enough is good enough’, in scenarios like this.
- Comment on Why am I seeing political ads for Donald Trump in April of the year of his second inauguration? 6 days ago:
… Sadly, the first thing that comes to mind, upon reading your comment…
First, we take Manhattan… then we take Berlin.
… I am hopeful that I can make it either to, or at least nearer to Canada, into a blue state, within the next year…
I am fully expecting shit to get very bad, very fast now.
… At least I am white… as sickening as that is for me to say… it does make me less of a target.
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Spent the better part of two decades telling my friends and family that what is happening now … is the trajectory we are on, and we must enact change now, while we still can, to avert this path.
… I don’t talk to any of them any more, as they all thought I was insane…
They didn’t believe ‘it could happen here.’
And now, it has.
And most of them would either entirely deny that it ‘has happened’, as they are neck deep in QAnon/MAGA insanity…
…or they would tell me that simultaneously they don’t remember me explaining how and why this could happen, how it became more and more likely as the years went by… and also, at the same time, just remember me being hysterical, about something, vaguely, for no reason they can remember.
- Comment on Why am I seeing political ads for Donald Trump in April of the year of his second inauguration? 6 days ago:
Welp we’ve got farm labor, cold turkey, no cell phones, communal bunks type rehab camps for… everyone on either hard drugs, or any kind of medically prescribed anti depressant or anti psychotic.
Thats still on the bingo cars from RFK, to my knowledge, that hasn’t happened yet.
We’ve also got concentration camps guarded by I guess Blackwater (whatever they’re calling themselves now) for all homeless people, a few miles outside of major cities, and of course a 0 tolerance policy for existing in a major city while homeless.
That hasn’t happened yet, but Trump has outlined that idea a couple of times.
… that one will be super-fun as the economy crashes.
- Comment on More Americans are financing groceries with buy now, pay later loans — and more are paying those bills late, survey says 6 days ago:
Yeah… fingers crossed, I guess.
- Comment on Why am I seeing political ads for Donald Trump in April of the year of his second inauguration? 6 days ago:
Yeeee-up.
- Comment on Why am I seeing political ads for Donald Trump in April of the year of his second inauguration? 6 days ago:
Because we do not live in a Democracy with regular election seasons.
We live in a fascist oligarchy, which must constantly beam propoganda into the minds of its citizens.
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Trump basically never stopped campaigning during the entirety of the Biden term, nor even for his fist term… despite being the President
US political ad seasons are notorious for being … way too long, up to a year… compared to most functional demcracies, where this ad season is often several weeks, not several, or many months.
Trump ratcheted this lengthy American political ad season into just literally all the time.
Before him, a sitting President running ads… during the middle of their own term… I think its literally unprecedented. Sure they’d give addresses and speeches to the public in extraordinary situations… but not run what amount to campaign ads… just all the time.
This is the power of money and media in the digital age.
It truly now just is cult reaffirming propoganda, in the derogatory 1984/dictator sense of propoganda.
- Comment on It must tremble 1 week ago:
Well, on one hand, I am Autistic, I default to literal concrete meanings without fairly explicitly clear context indicating otherwise.
On the other hand… seems to me that just sort of broadly, generally, everyone is kind of… a combination of losing their minds and becoming hyperbolic as a default (due to massive stress of hypercapitalism collapsing living standards)…
…while also there is a massive trend that… basically the post-irony language/humor style of Zoomers has imploded, and nobody can really tell who is or is not joking any more, everything is a Schrödinger’s shitpost whose ‘true’ meaning is nebulous until it is observed and commented on.
I used to be able to tell what were jokes, irony, satire… took me a long time to learn all the nuances.
And then basically that all just collapsed in the last couple of years.
- Comment on More Americans are financing groceries with buy now, pay later loans — and more are paying those bills late, survey says 1 week ago:
Historically speaking, basically, yes, the capitalist class essentially always sides with a nascent fascist movement as it is opposed to making any truly meaningful concessions to workers.
But it is important to note that fascism is, or arises from… an ostensible capitalist democracy … in decay.
It arises as a reaction to over exploitation of the capitalists.
The fascists are always incompetent idiots at actually running anything, actual policy… beyond being brutally indimidating and violent bullies.
But! They promise growth and stability.
Morons believe them. Many of these morons… are the capitalists.
This works well for a while, but eventually, fascist mismanagement leads to the capitalists actually having a whole bunch of their businesses collapse, as the economy broadly suffers, or maybe its war time babyyyy and oh well turns out that its also bad to fund endless foreign invasions and/or be invaded yourself.
But, by then, its too late.
The capitalists sided with the fascists initially, to avoid structural concessions to workers… but now that everything is fucked, and/or dear leader / the party has some incomprehensible zany nonsense plan… well now the capitalists mostly get either outright or functionally nationalized, and lose even more than if they had just gone with the comparatively more minor concessions to workers.
Poison chalice.
Prisoner’s Dilemma, game theoretic failure, that humanity just keeps replicatinf with minor variations and new flavors.
- Comment on It must tremble 1 week ago:
I mean… I have had a cat, and played with it in the manner I described till he got too old for that sort of thing.
It did not to me seem at all that I was putting in 900x the effort, either in physical energy terms, or mental effort / discipline and dedication terms, or both those combined.
Maybe… a roughly equivalent amount of combined mental and physical energy?
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And yes, my cat would also wait hidden for periods of time… its part of their hunting strategy. Just pretend you aren’t there, and then when a sense of safety has come about… strike swiftly with the element of surprise.
Cats… are generally solo, stealthy predators, after all. A … stealth, glass cannon, low durability berserker build, to try to mangle it into video game terms. Capable of intense bursts of extreme athleticism, but also requiring significant down time to recharge.
Sort of the opposite of the human hunting strategy of using pure raw stamina to chase down prey over long periods of time, in group coordination with other humans, and then basically just finish off an animal as it is basically having a heart attack from redlining itself for too long.
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To me, I made it into a game: learn my kitty’s strategy, bait it and goad it accordingly… leaving some grace for him to enjoy actually catching and monching on it, but also challenging him with new patterns and movements, introduced gradually.
If kitty is either utterly uninterested… or just waiting for you to rope-a-dope yourself into exhaustion, and then he grabs it when you are tired… congratulations, you have been tactically outsmarted by a cat lol.
The cat has managed its stamina levels and recharge rates better than you have managed your own.
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I just set aside a few 30 minute blocks each day, or at least most days, to just set up some music, and do nothing other than play with kitty.
Like how a dog owner might set up an hour or so every couple of days to take a dog on a walk.
- Comment on More Americans are financing groceries with buy now, pay later loans — and more are paying those bills late, survey says 1 week ago:
America follows Seinfeld rules:
No hugging.
No learning.
- Comment on More Americans are financing groceries with buy now, pay later loans — and more are paying those bills late, survey says 1 week ago:
Yeah, put super simply:
Minimize needed actual storage space and time a thing spenda in storage… by relying on very frequent and consistent logistics.
Its very efficient in the sense of minimizing operating costs…
But it is also extremely fragile, a minor perturbation can fuck shit up for weeks or months.
… And we are getting… well basically the most major disruption in the history of JIT as a logistics paradigm.
- Comment on More Americans are financing groceries with buy now, pay later loans — and more are paying those bills late, survey says 1 week ago:
Cost of living is too high, put it on credit.
Your alternative is starve now.
Either way, this is about to get a lot more bonkers in roughly the next 30 to 60 days as Just In Time delivery… kinda just, stops working, and grocery stores will have to both raise prices and ration items per customer per week to deal with shortages and try to minimize in-store injuries and deaths.
Go look up a compilations of black friday shopping stampedes.
Imagine that, but for groceries, every time a grocery store restocks… for the forseeable future.
- Comment on It must tremble 1 week ago:
Also, vibes based math aside…
I don’t get how this … makes sense, from an energy expenditure level.
You have a 3 feet long stick, with a 4 foot long string, with a fuzzy mouse on the end.
You… flick your wrist, in various motions, such that the toy seems to be … hiding… then evading! the running, then hiding, then somewhere hard to reach.
Sure, your arm is moving too, maybe you are also turning somewhat, or even walking a bit to certain areas of your place with more cat obstscles.
… The cat is literally bouncing off the walls, running at 15 mph, climbing up the cat tower, shimmying under the couch or a table, suddenly executing snap turns, sometimes literally in midair…
… How on earth does that work out to you expeding more caloric energy than the cat?
- Comment on Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators) 1 week ago:
Damn, that’s… quite the line up of Steam Deck related devs, shit.
Welp, I’m convinced.
- Comment on Getting mixed signals from Reddit. Furthermore I shall henceforth be on Lemmy full time. 1 week ago:
Wha… do you get some kind of reddit currency if you make a post that breaks 1000 upvotes, with a multiplier based on your log in streak length?
Jesus Christ, these fucking dark pattern, microtransaction shit just needs to be universally banned.
- Comment on Trying to avoid antitrust suits, Google senior executives told employees to destroy messages 1 week ago:
Thats uh… thats a gigantic crime rofl, fucking wow.
Not quite sure exactly what that slots into, tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice… but uh yeah wow dang, that’s the kinda thing that can actually lead to charges against the actual people that do this, if not at least the people that order other to.
Great job, morons!
- Comment on Religions have some of the wackiest rules 1 week ago:
It is an American thing that arose from, and persists because of how Americans ‘do’ Christianity.
As I said in another post, start with Max Weber, and then explore more of the history of how Christianity and Christian Denominations, cults, sects, revival movements, etc, have shaped the country as a whole, in ways that are distinct from how other kinds of Christianity have shaped other countries in the last 300 or so years.
Like… the whole reason we have the First Amendment, the freedom of religion part… was mainly to make it so that none of the varying Christian Denominations would be able to use the government to censor or outright oppress or murder each other.
Read the journals of the founding fathers, federalist papers, etc, if you doubt that.
America was largely initially founded by populations of varying kinds of extreme Christian Sects fleeing persecution in Europe… and a lot of our early history is… those sects persecuting and mistreating, or at best, barely tolerating and competetively trying to proselytize, other sects that just over here now, on a different continent… as well as all the indigenous populations… and the imported slaves.
- Comment on Religions have some of the wackiest rules 1 week ago:
Glad you left your reddit trauma at the door to lemmy and certainly aren’t making any personal judgements based entirely on vibes rofl.
I will never stop speaking out that this whole thing is a bullshit non issue.
Not obsessive in any way at all, nope, that’s me apparently.
Hahahahaha
- Comment on Religions have some of the wackiest rules 1 week ago:
Discussing it isn’t an obsession, an obsession would be making your whole personality about it, or basically having that be a primary hobby or something.
You are doing a less extreme version of the thing that politcal news pundits do against protests:
Protesting as a concept is fine, but it turns out any protest with views I disagree with? Well they’re protesting wrong.
If you are reading this as an obsession, I dunno what to tell you, check my comment history and you’ll see this is the first thread I’ve ever mentioned it in, and my older, nearly year old account? Don’t think I ever mentioned it.
Finally: Yes, female genital mutilation is very often much, much worse, in that it usually entails total removal of the clitoris, which is… basically fundamental to the ability of a woman to experience pleasure and orgasm.
But that doesn’t mean male genital mutilation is not also bad. The male hood also generally has a much higher concentration of nerve endings than… basically everywhere other than the head.
And both of these practices fundamentally remove bodily autonomy from a baby/child, and are culturally/religiously done for reasons that ultimately or directly arise from a very paternalistic and authoritarian approach to children as property of parents, and intending to diminish and control their sexual characteristics without consent.
… But if you don’t wanna have this discussion, feel free to block me, or just… not discuss… this…?