Being afraid of vaccines is literally childish behavior.

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• SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Most people don’t understand vaccines and being afraid of what you don’t understand is completely reasonable.

  When you have influencers feeding on that fear and making it grow then it becomes an issue.

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  • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Add to that we’re constantly being lied to it’s hard to know what the truth is and what isn’t unless you deeply research a topic, and honestly:

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      Most vaccine hesitant people use Facebook or YouTube to research which compounds the problem.

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  • M137@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    “Being afraid of what you don’t understand is completely reasonable”

    No it isn’t… It’s common, but not reasonable, and it’s a big factor in so much bad about humanity. We need to teach people to specifically NOT be afraid of stuff they don’t understand and instead learn more about that those things, and to never have strong opinions (which includes fear) about things they know nothing or little about.

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    • MrFinnbean@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Being afraid of what you dont understand is instilled to us by our own evolution. We lived tens of thousands of years in a state where unfamiliar berry or strange animal could mean death.

      But you are right. School system sould be better in explaining what vaccines do and how they work and society should be better shooting misinformation down.

      Also instead of ridiculing the antivacciners people should try to be polite and try to help them understand what vaccines are. Being hostile or condesending just makes people to withdraw in to their own safe belives

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  • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Na a bunch of them are actually afraid of the pointy needle.

    Gear of medical debt comes up for some too, but since the covid vaccines were free they had to pretend they weren’t afraid of the needles instead.

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study#Pub…

  There’s been a systematic undermining of public trust in health and safety instructions going on for decades.

  Some of this distrust is earned as with Tuskegee, the bungled Anthrax vaccine, the Reagan Era response to the AIDS epidemic, scandals with weight loss drugs like Fen-phen and Redux, Oxycodone, etc.

  Some of it is purely manufactured, with the CIA-sponsored agitation against the Chinese COVID vaccine being a major font of modern day anti-vax Truther Lore.

  But to no-sell skepticism as just “you’re a little baby who is scared of needles” really under plays the shift in attitude nationally. We used to be a country that whole heartedly embraced a preservation for small pox, polio, and influenza. Now we’re more terrified of kids getting the shot that gives you bad grades in school than getting measels.

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  • tomiant@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    There’s been a systematic undermining of public trust in health and safety instructions going on for decades.

    A lot of it perpetrated by the very industries themselves. It’s the natural consequence of letting every facet of societal motivation be dictated by profit maximization.

    Like I said in another comment, I think what the antivaxers are incapable of understanding and expressing is that they are not actually questioning the science, they are questioning the health care industry and the systems meant to keep them honest. And in that I would agree with them, if only they were able to articulate it.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I think what the antivaxers are incapable of understanding and expressing is that they are not actually questioning the science, they are questioning the health care industry and the systems meant to keep them honest.

      A lot of the opposition to vaccination reads like fad diets and self-help trends from 20 or 30 years ago. You can prevent autism by fumbles around playing Motzart to your baby in utero? Meditating during Yoga? Eating chocolate? Pick your Oprah-sponsored poison.

      But, like, why are we seeing a fixation on a proven medical treatment and not some generic “don’t let your kids eat jelly beans” or “do headstands to get the blood flowing to the brain” hookum?

      I think that’s where you get to people really running afoul of an increasingly dysfunctional health media ecosystem. One whose reputation is bloated with empty promises about The Perfect Cancer / Alzheimer’s Cure or Living Forever With Blood Transfusions. And then it’s colliding with an actual system that just seems to throw enormous bills at you for pain killers and palliative care.

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  • shawn1122@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    America doesn’t just do this domestically. They have interfered in other nations public health perceptions as well. The CIA undermined polio vaccination in Pakistan and Afghanistan when global eradication actually seemed possible.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      America doesn’t just do this domestically.

      They do. It’s just tied up in the private sector. Tons of quackery on American TV and in news journals. Everything from “Head On, Apply Directly to The Forehead” to Dr Oz shilling ginseng as a panacea to the social media conspiracies about MedBeds that Trump himself retweeted.

      The CIA undermined polio vaccination programs in Pakistan when global eradication actually seemed possible.

      Can’t let the wrong kind of people benefit

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  • Crankenstein@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    We used to be a country that whole heartedly embraced a preventative for small pox, polio, and influenza

    Yea, no… you got a very rosy image of history in your mind. There were massive protests and constant public pushback against vaccines for as long as vaccines have existed.

    historyofvaccines.org/…/history-anti-vaccination-…

    The fight for vaccination has been rough fought against the tides of the confidently ignorant who let their irrational emotions control them.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      There were massive protests and constant public pushback against vaccines for as long as vaccines have existed.

      There were a handful of outspoken reactionary groups in the early 19th century who registered outsized alarm. But when you look at the data, the rapid decline in smallpox over the century was the direct result of the success of inoculation domestically. By 1898, the mandatory imposition of vaccinations was functionally unnecessary, due to the near complete eradication of the disease on the island. People were - by and large - more than happy to undergo inoculation at a level that provided herd immunity.

      The fight for widespread adoption of vaccination has been rough fought against the tides of the confidently ignorant who let their irrational emotions control them.

      Confident ignorance has been as much a benefit to vaccine campaigns as an opposition to it. People are, by and large, trusting and appreciative of advancements in medical science, especially when they are subject to regular and repeated trauma from a chronic malady.

      Quackery succeeds on this sense of naive desperation. Vaccination does, too (with the added benefit that it actually works). A straightforward solution to an immediate problem is an easy sell.

      The real detriment to vaccination policy is its own success. Once you’ve systematically eliminated a disease, the social memory of the disease’s consequences fades through generations. People aren’t afraid of Polio because they don’t have a President in a wheelchair who fell victim to it. People aren’t afraid of measles because they’ve never experienced it, or had to care for children suffering from the disease.

      The rapid adoption of prophylactics in the sex work community comes from people who are regularly faced with the threat of STIs, both personally and in their peer groups. People with little direct or indirect exposure to recreational sex are a much harder sell. And so we see STIs flood through religiously insular communities (ex. the sudden surge in Syphilis in Salt Lake City) that had historically shown very low rates of incidence.

      This tends to set off a rebalancing of behaviors, as the community rapidly adopts the techniques for prevention. When news of an outbreak spreads, vaccine hesitancy collapses in its wake

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• Etterra@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  What do you think the mask hating whiners are? They’re toddlers with voting rights.

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• Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  What I really dislike is the parents who refuse to vaccinate their children, because big pharma/nature best/other insane arguments, but then take them to an ER when they inevitably get that preventable disease. For fuck’s sake, stay consistent. If you don’t vaccinate, do not go to the hospital later.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Devil’s Advocate: Being sick is an immediately visible problem, viruses are invisible and you don’t see symtoms till its too late

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    • Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Which is why we have decades of medical science that has gone to great lengths to discover these things. They can’t be seen by the naked eye but they can be seen with a strong enough microscope. We know they exist and we know what they cause. We know how to prevent that from happening.

      Yet these mouth breathing troglodytes have been conned into distrusting science on a fundamental level.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  once they get diptheria, wooping cough, measles, mumps, rubella, as adults they will be even more scared.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m still pissed my insurance won’t cover the shingles vax. Took over my right side and hurt like hell for, uh, six years now.

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    • yyyesss@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      we’ve been begging for the shingles vaccine for years now. they won’t even let us pay out-of-pocket. we’re five years “too young” despite both my wife and i having already had shingles.

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    • MrFinnbean@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I get you are pissed, but shingles generally is not contagious (exept for people who havent had chickenpox), nor dangerous (for healthy people), so i get that its pretty low on the priority lists.

      Alltough if its lasted that long i would be worried why. Getting shingles usually is telltale sign for weakened immunity system, or mark off high stress and both of those are bad things.

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Will they, though? I mean, the people who directly contract it might realize some regret and the error of their choices, some will be like smokers dying of emphysema that just keep smoking. Nothing will change them. The worst will be the kids that die, they never had a say in their medical treatment. There should be a lot of regret from the parents, but as we’ve seen, there’s plenty of stubbornness and mental gymnastics even then.

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If you’re an American, having deep seated mistrust and skepticism of the medical establishment, pharma, and government is 1000% justifiable. Every one of these institutions has exploited, abused, abandoned, and murdered people, all in the name of public health.

  As a person who grew up in poverty, the idea of trusting Doctors and medical authorities is just as ridiculous as trusting the police.

  Assuming that social problems are the sum of individuals making dumb choices is an easy shortcut that not only eliminates the discomfort of thinking about the issue, but has the added benefit to implying that you’re superior.

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    this is why we need to educate people. it does require a certain level of trust in the system to accept a shot will prevent your kid from dying of measles or whooping cough. a system that also conducted the heinous Tuskegee Syphilis Study, then never held those same criminals or the decision makers accountable for their crimes.

    governments do thousands of things; not every single one is predicated on evil intentions, many, probably most, are for the good of their people. think running water and sewage. think power and roads.

    sometimes they go fuckbrained. which is why we need whistleblowers, accountability, CONSEQUENCES, etc.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That mistrust erroneously extends to academia though, and they’re more than happy to ignore the experts who aren’t connected to industry

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    • ChexMax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      How is academia totally separate? I get how the opiate crisis is purely big Pharma exploiting people for profit, but the tuskeegee experiments were research. Isn’t that medicine and academia?

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• tomiant@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  What I think antivaxers can’t articulate is that what they don’t actually trust is actually the health care industry, not the science behind vaccines themselves.

  Which would be a valid concern, but that is not what they are saying.

  You can trust medical science yet don’t trust the providers, history is rife with examples of big business endangering the public for higher profit margins.

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  • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They know that American healthcare providers in the past experimented on blacks and other PoC without telling them and they don’t want it done to them now that we’ve pushed to make everyone equal under the law.

    This is why they’re so scared of equality as well - we’re all game for the unethical experimentation and exploitation of some of us aren’t in the protected class.

    To really break the programming we need to get through that those lines are drawn on class, not on race as they appear, and that no class of divine human exists.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yep, this, my mom doesn’t trust doctors. Apparantly, according to her, doctors in PRC was corrupt and always try to extort as much money as possible by doing “unnecessary ‘treatments’”, according to her.

    She told me that both my older brother and I were both C-Section and like she doubted if it was even necessary, she believed that the doctors were just trying to make extra money because surgery costed more… but she had no choice but go along with it… because she had no idea if the fetus (aka: me and my older brother) were at risk.

    As for vaccines… government policy… I guess both the collectivist society and pressure from government

    US Government definitely required vaccination records before giving us immigration visas…

    Its kinda funny, does the currnt admin allow immigrants without vaccinations? Or make it stricter to make immigration harder?

    [Insert 2 red button meme here]

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    • ChexMax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Women who have been through childbirth have certainly earned the right to be skeptical of doctors/ medicine. Women are still being mistreated and discounted in hospitals today, especially women of color. You have to get lucky to get nurses and doctors who treat your body as worthy of care, and you as worthy of belief and autonomy.

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• Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  my brother is a 45 , socially he acts like a 8 year old all the time. Of course he worships trumps and refuses to get vaccinated ( even telling my elderly mom to not get the flu and covid shot) . This is why I only see him one day out of the year, and that will turn to Zero days of any time when my mom dies and he has no reason to come over for one day a year.

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• Quokka@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Being afraid of needles is fine though, right?

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  • Apytele@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    My mother has become, in her later years, a “well idk if they definitely cause autism but I did vaccinate all of you and I do have a kid with autism…” which like. whatever. I’ve been over talking to them for a while now anyway.

    But when I was younger and getting vaccinated she always said,“you’re gonna look at the wall in the other direction, it’s gonna hurt for a few seconds then it’ll be over and there’s an ice cream place next door.” And I have almost 0 medical anxiety, like I’ll let new grads I’m precepting practice on me before I let them stick a real patient.

    vs I remember when I was a swimming instructor in my early 20s sometimes a kid would start crying and their parent would come over to scream at them to behave and then it would take waaay longer to get their body to relax enough to float.

    So while I’m sure it doesn’t make or break every fear of needles or medical anxiety, I do think a LOT of it comes down to how the parent handles and ideally normalizes routine medical care.

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    • Contramuffin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Frankly, I think that’s it. When I got shots, my parents would constantly remind me of how much it would hurt and laugh at me over my fear. I’m still scared of needles nowadays, even if by all objective measures they really don’t hurt at all

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  • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I hope so. Irrational fears are really hard to control.

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  • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    There is reasons to be afraid of needles. Courage is not being having no fear, its facing your fear.

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I remember the nurses just belittling me when I was like 10 and like I was scared of needles…

      Something something “boys need to be brave” or something

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• ollie@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  i dont have a problem with vaccines, theyre great and im glad they help people

  but, recieving one is absolutely terrifying to be, due to some needle related trauma, and generally causes me to pass out or vomit :/

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  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Sounds like you may have a vasovagal reaction? My dad gets that too.

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  • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve had some really bad experiences in the past as well including passing out and nausea. Luckily at least for smaller needles like vaccines/dental work I no longer suffer from that. I still lay down if blood is being drawn.

    It took a long time, but I think the dentist giving me some sedatives for the needles helped me get more comfortable with it since I knew they helped, and eventually, I was able to try without and it was hard but it did help, and it just got easier from there.

    It still sucks, but it’s manageable now.

    If you struggle at the dentist like I did, maybe that’s an option if you need work done.

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    • ollie@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      never had to at the dentist and luckily the doctors said i need no more vaccines (unless we get another covid kinda deal or i travel to a country with foreign illnesses) so its not something i have to worry about for a while

      thinking about it makes me feel a little light headed though, and normally i enjoy having phantom sense for stuff like asmr and vr but its also a curse when i think about needles and i can feel one in my arm where they do the vaccines. not fun

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• DrFistington@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I think the correct term for adults who are afraid of them is ‘bitch baby’

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve found the best way to deal with a fear of needles is to scream slurs

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• TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’m only scared of vaccines because they’re delivered via a needle. At this point I really shouldn’t be acted of needles any more after injecting myself every week for ages, but for some reason I am 🤷‍♀️

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m also a needle-weenie. I tell a different nurse each time and we joke about it – despite getting like 9 shots in one day in Basic. Then I wince a bit as I get the shot, put my stereotypically plaid coat back on and off I go.

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• Boiglenoight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I disagree. While it’s frustrating that people believe politicians and talk show hosts over scientists, it’s reasonable to fear something you don’t understand. What’s immature is a lack of critical thinking which much of the population seems to exhibit by choosing to listen to others or, in doing fact finding, allow for confirmation bias.

  This statement is not helpful. If we’re looking to increase the number of people getting vaccinated, shame or embarrassment will likely lower that number further. People have a fear of making the wrong decision. If you share with them that you’ve been vaccinated and leave it at that, that’s someone real who has contradicted the narrative they subscribe to. If they respect you as a role model, they may change their behavior.

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• DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  those blood test needles are the real scary shit

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• vrek@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yeah because people afraid of vaccines never grow up…

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  • tomiant@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s a lack of education. I mean, sure, there do be a lot of fucking morons around, but even morons can learn if there is a proper and easily accessible means of doing so. Just having the Internet is not enough, you have to be taught how to learn, and what, and that still requires humans laying it out for you over time, over a long long time.

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• Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I don’t think its childish not to want the government to mandate bodily choices.

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  • Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You can’t mandate that you get to infect me.

    If you want to be a part of society, then

    • vaccinate
    • or, wear a mask
    • or, keep your distance / stay home when sick

    Your bodily choice extends to your body and ONLY your own body

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean, I would have gotten fired if I didn’t get the shot. I didn’t really have a choice in the matter. I wasn’t given the option to wear a mask or keep distance.

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It quickly gets more complicated when it affects others.

    Is it your bodily choice to smoke on the street? No, because others have to inhale it. Same idea - no one wants to breathe in your disease-causing microbes.

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You are fully allowed to smoke in the street. The tuskegee experiment is a prime example of the infallible government doing fuck shit medically. I don’t like being forced to ask HOW HIGH when the government decides to tell me to jump.

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• Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Everything republicans do is childish playground bully behavior

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  • Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeah but unfortunately they are doing a lot more harm than beating me up at recess because I’m brown.

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    • Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s definitely regressed to full Nazi behavior unfortunately.

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• DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I don’t think kids are afraid of vaccines per se, it more so a:

  poke-y sharp metal object that OW IT HURTS!

  sort of thing

  Taking blood is even scarier… aaahhhh

  THEY’RE STEALING MY BLOOOD AAAAHHH HALP MOM

  seriously tho. I was told that an adult hunan as like 2.5 liters of blood kids have 1.5 liters (from memory, no google)

  so I got scared they took too much and I was afraid I’d drop dead if I didn’t have enough blood… lmfao

  I was like… idk 8-12 I think…

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• Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  There are risks involved with vaccines. These are usually low and can be mitigated or decreased severely. E.g. don’t run a marathon the same day you get a COVID-19 shot.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Small world. A cousin of mine had a negative reaction soon after getting the 2nd dose of Pfizer. Got rushed to the hospital in the middle of the night from what I heard, spent long time in ICU, got their parents worried, they were talking about it on the wechat group. Sent a wave of panic throught the entire friend circle.

    Imagine having one of the people you know IRL having a bad reaction to the vaccine.

    (not anti-vax btw, just sharing anecdotes)

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      did he get GBS, guillan barre syndrome.

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• echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Wow stone cold take right there.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s a shower thought, not a hot take. It completes with other thrilling thoughts, such as “it sure is wet in here” and “time to wash my butthole”

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• SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’m afraid of the ocean.

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  • IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    as you should be, being a hairless ape. hairless ape has no business being in the ocean

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  • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    There is a visceral feeling when you stare our at the ocean and into the distance.

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• ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Black people have every reason to be where I live due to the Tuskegee experiments. Even black doctors have said they have to reason themselves into getting the covid vaccine due to the fears it caused.

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• bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Let’s be honest, its the covid vax being rushed to market and the politics of it that made this happen. Before that it was an issue with total idiots, but now I have “normal” family members not vaxing their children for things eradicated 50 years ago.

  I can totally see the skepticism on the covid vax. You really cant trust anything. Lets not pretend the covid vax didnt have issues (and we plebs dont really know for sure how many bad side effects there are/were yet. No matter what you think). And in my opinion government should not control your body. However these people not getting children vaccinated for measles are just absolute idiots.

  And now people who think everything is black and white can downvote me to hell!

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Every pre-COVID representation of global pandemic: scientists discover a vaccine, everyone vaccinates and lives happily ever after

    Real pandemic: people chicken out, start obsessing over 1 in 10000 side effects (vs, you know, a 1 in 50 chance to die of COVID-19 at the time) and then forever tell the story of “it’s not tested enough yet”.

    You know what also constantly changes and cannot be tested for decades? Every. Single. Virus. Your flu vaccine is also not tested for side effects forever, because the virus changes all the time.

    Before rolling COVID vaccines out, we were very damn sure they work and won’t wreak havoc on you. But as people suddenly decided to go anti-vax, government had to get more assertive, for any vaccine works best when most people are vaccinated. You could normally self-isolate and not take vaccines, though, so it’s up to you, the government’s concern is that you don’t spread this thing further, straining medical system that was already under a heavy load.

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    • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Never had a flu vaccine. Theyre pointless to me.

      I dont believe the 1 in 50 death rate of covid. There’s no way that is true or we would all be dead.

      Also the covid vaccine isnt 1 and done. People go in to get boosters multiple times a year. And they still get covid.

      I had to get the jab myself, made me feel awful, still feeling heart arrhythmia from it, still got covid anyways.

      Now if I was old or sickly, sure id say get it. But I rarely get sick ever.

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