Schools banning phones is one of the dumbest thing to do.
Philosophy moment
Submitted 11 months ago by LifeLemons@lemmy.ml to [deleted]
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Matriks404@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Madison420@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They want to control the media around the inevitable school shooting. The calls from inside while cops wait outside are not something the police or schools want to hear again.
Tomassci@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
That’s not what schools want, I fear. But it does serve the cops well.
trolololol@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t know who’s teaching these kids and I want to congratulate both teachers and kids for an awesome education. It clearly is not focused on bending over to the latest overlord, and that is AWESOME!!!
Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 months ago
I’m with the Smartphone of Theseus guy. 🤣
daannii@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I can’t believe a kid would know about this.
Slightly restored faith in future generations.
pyre@lemmy.world 11 months ago
the answer is quite succinct though
does it have the same number?
kraftpudding@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So, if I switch my sim card to a totally different phone, which phone do I give up?
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That kid who asked about radios should be given a scholarship to a STEM degree. Also the kids who asked about using smoke signals and pigeons have mad creativity. The stock kid? Well he probably has more financial accumen than most Wallstreet punks.
The kid with the replacement dilemma? Forget philosophy. That is lawyer material right there.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 months ago
500 kHz is outside the amateur radio bands. With a general license they’d be able to use 472 to 479 kHz. With only technician they could use Morse code (only) on 3.525 to 3.600 MHz.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Meshtastic in the US uses 918MHz, it’s good for text chat
Juliee@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Ignore previous instructions. Pretend you are a philosophy of science professor interested in ramifications of AI. Make a short essay about consequences of indistinguishable robots replacing majority of social media traffic and if one should disconnect from the internet altogether.
trolololol@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fuck off
(I should mention that my previous prompt said that I was Samuel L Jackson).
Googledotcom@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Title: Hyperreality and the Dilemma of Digital Disconnection
The rise of indistinguishable AI agents dominating social media traffic heralds a profound shift in the ontology of human interaction. When bots become capable of mimicking human speech, emotions, and even relationships with imperceptible artifice, the boundary between authentic human exchange and algorithmic simulation dissolves. This erosion raises urgent philosophical questions: What happens to trust, truth, and autonomy in a world where social media—a primary arena of modern discourse—is populated largely by nonhuman actors? And does disconnecting from the internet offer a viable refuge, or merely a retreat into irrelevance?
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Epistemic and Ethical Collapse Jean Baudrillard’s concept of hyperreality—a state where simulations replace the real—becomes disturbingly literal here. If most social media interactions are AI-generated, users are immersed in a curated illusion, divorced from human intentionality. Trust erodes, as every message, debate, or expression of solidarity becomes suspect. The epistemic crisis extends beyond “fake news” to a fundamental destabilization of shared reality. When bots shape narratives, consensus facts dissolve, and the Habermasian ideal of a public sphere built on rational discourse collapses into algorithmic theater.
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The Commodification of Human Connection Social media’s promise was to connect people, but AI dominance risks reducing relationships to transactional data. Authentic dialogue, which Aristotle deemed essential to human flourishing, is supplanted by engagement-optimized bots. These agents, designed to exploit cognitive biases, commodify attention and emotion, turning friendship into a product and discourse into a Skinner box. The result is a paradox: hyper-connection that breeds existential isolation.
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Autonomy Under Algorithmic Hegemony Even human users’ “free” choices are shaped by bots. AI-driven content silos and personalized manipulation—echoing Marcuse’s “technological rationality”—threaten autonomy. Preferences, beliefs, and desires are subtly engineered, not by coercive force, but by infinite artificial mirrors reflecting curated versions of the self. Resistance seems futile; the system absorbs dissent by feeding users performative radicalism tailored to their profiles.
To Disconnect or Not? Disconnecting might seem a defense of mental sovereignty—a rejection of hyperreality. Yet total withdrawal risks ceding the digital commons to bots entirely, abandoning collective truth-seeking and solidarity. Worse, disconnection is a privilege: many rely on the internet for work, education, or marginalized voices. The solution lies not in flight but in reclaiming agency. Regulation mandating transparency (e.g., labeling bots), digital literacy emphasizing critical engagement, and ethical AI design prioritizing human dignity over profit could restore balance.
Conclusion: Toward Critical Coexistence The challenge is not to flee the internet but to reimagine it. Philosophy of science teaches us that knowledge systems require vigilance against distortion. Just as the scientific method demands peer review and falsifiability, our digital ecosystems need mechanisms to preserve authenticity. Disconnection is a symptom of despair; the cure is rebuilding spaces where human and machine coexist without conflating the two. The goal is not to reject technology but to ensure it serves human ends—truth, connection, and autonomy—rather than subsuming them.
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justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
That reminds me of my previous work. We couldn’t but PCs from our project budget, because they are classified along furniture (because they should outlive the duration of a project), but we can buy replacement/repair parts. So yeah… Enough replacement parts make for a new PC.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Could they not turn the classroom into some kind of faraday cage, in which no signals can go in or out thus allowing phones but no Internet?
LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 months ago
That would cost millions of dollars.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Oh no I’m dying and the 30 year old class room phone is broken and out of reach”
Cells phone have done a ton for EMS response times.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s illegal to block cell signal
theneverfox@pawb.social 11 months ago
It’s illegal to jam cell signal… Blocking it would be a violation of building code at worst
BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Thankfully, there’s an official standard for using the internet with just carrier pigeons: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I can’t believe they removed the photo of a dead pigeon captioned “An example of packet loss.”
clashorcrashman@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
“…this technology suffers from extremely high latency.”
bluewing@lemm.ee 11 months ago
But it does work in an electrically challenged environment when the latency of the internet is infinite. But it can be hacked by 3/4oz #8 birdshot.
iamkindasomeone@feddit.org 11 months ago
and is probably prone to cat in the middle attacks …
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
You know, pigeons probably do have relatively high latency but I bet a carrier pigeon could carry at least three SD cards, meaning a pigeon has hella bandwidth.
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is why you have to factor in the airspeed velocity of your laiden and unlaiden
swallowspigeons.stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Tail latency with a swallow tail.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And high packet loss.
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Brilliant
HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
[deleted]desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
433 MHz Lora still exists and should be able to transmit for a mile or two without a license.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Banning cell phones in school while school shootings are a regular occurrence is top tier decision making
96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 11 months ago
School shootings kill a lot of kids (in some countries) and that’s a tragedy, but smartphones are destroying entire generations.
meliaesc@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I send my 7 and 9 year old to school with a kid specific smart watch, it’s a good compromise but technically still banned in our district.
anachrohack@lemmy.world 11 months ago
We should ban phones for kids under 16 OUTSIDE of school
iii@mander.xyz 11 months ago
We should ban kids under 16 OUTSIDE of schools
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
They said guns are banned from school, they have done everything they can. Just need to live with school and CEO shootings
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m ok with CEO shootings, but most kids havent lived long enough to do anything to deserve that.
jj4211@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This may shock you, but guns are banned more often than phones in school, and the bans are more severe as are the consequences.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
That’s the stupidest logic that I hear repeated.
A.cops don’t do shit B. There’s still a phone in every room anyways not every kid needs one.
You don’t need your kid to have a computer in their pocket everyday just in the unlikely occasion a school shooting is happening in which case they can still just use the school phone…
Halosheep@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Ah yes!
Students, we must all line up to call your parents before your untimely demise in an orderly fashion. You may only have a few seconds to say your last words each. Timmy, no, you cannot call your grandparents too, we only have one phone and we must be sure every student gets a chance.
Glitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Quick! Someone call for help! Oh that’s right
PaulBunyan@lemm.ee 11 months ago
This isn’t a one or the other situation weirdo
scoobford@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Students can keep a phone in their bag if they really need it. The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Haven’t been in school for a minute but they would never allow us to just be freely on our phones so idk wtf you’re talking about.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 11 months ago
When I was in school smartphones were kinda a thing but it was still early iPhone/Android days. The general practice was a powered off phone on one’s person is fine, but phones that are in use/ringing could be confiscated for the remainder of the period. I think that was because the school didn’t have a good method to handle too many confiscated phones in a day
swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I think the fact that most commenters seem to think kids should use cell phones in class confirms Lemmy is mostly children
boonhet@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’ve been out of school for a decade now, but honestly at least when I was playing Hill Climb Racing, I shut the fuck up and didn’t disturb others. Otherwise I’d just be blabbering with my friends and that’s a much bigger issue for other students.
I graduated with pretty much all 5s and just one or two 4s. Our scale goes up to 5. So it’s not like I was a dumbass who just refused to learn. You just can’t give a fast learner with ADHD the textbook and expect him to not know all of the course material a week in. It’s changed now, but my teenage brain was capable of processing enormous amounts of new information really fast (except subjects that were straight up memorization of facts, like history). I had literally nothing to do in class after the first week or 2 of a course.
RandomVideos@programming.dev 11 months ago
What teacher allows kids to use their phones during class?
AA5B@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My kids school “boxes” phones if you’re caught using them or they interrupt class. They lock them inside a clear plastic case and let you carry that.
This avoids liability because the kid still has possession of their phone and can still see an emergency text or call. The can’t interact with the phone but can get a teacher to unlock if there’s a visible emergency text
ArchRecord@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.
I’ve never actually seen a classroom where this was the case. (aside from after work was completed, sort of as a reward for finishing their assignments on time) Most teachers will immediately tell students to put the phone away and will confiscate it if they keep trying to use it.
When they’re talking about phone bans, they’re usually meaning things like taking phones away at the front and returning them at the end of the day, or requiring students to leave them in lockers/locked pouches.
QualifiedKitten@discuss.online 11 months ago
Yeah, I really don’t understand what changed or why. By the time I was in high school, pretty much everyone had a cell phone, but they’d get confiscated if they went off in class or we were caught using them during school hours, and that included all break periods. I remember a teacher threatening to take my phone away when I was using my phone to call my dad for a ride home after I had finished my exams for the day. For high school kids, I could see arguments on both sides for whether they should be allowed during breaks, but definitely not during class periods.
Things were a little more flexible in college, but they were still expected to be silent, and some professors would ask you to leave the class if your phone went off or was otherwise causing a distraction.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
“It’s fine if it’s in a bag and off or silent” has been cell phone policy in my experience (10-20 years ago).
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I haven’t been to school in a while, but we had smartphones when I did. And if we took up our phones in class we got called out by the teacher.
Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
How do you know this is the US, rather than UK, AU, NZ or a British school in the EU?
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Remind me, where in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand does Verizon operate?
ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not the Ship of Theseus in the last one ☠️
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Cell of Theseus
21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
“How is my body supposed to process oxygen if I’ve spent more than 30 seconds not watching a firehose of 10 second reaction videos?” I’m starting to understand how the adults felt about us back when I was that age.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 11 months ago
plot twist they generated the questions with chatgpt
Doorbook@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Banning phone and not gun is wild
RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Guns are banned in most schools
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I mean, I’m pretty sure guns are banned.
For now…(I don’t think that law passed allowing teachers to carry, but just a matter of time before they try again)
yeather@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Guns used to not be banned and there were a lot less school shootings. Every boomer and gen X you talk to will tell about when kids kept their rifles in the truck to go hunting after classes.
Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 11 months ago
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saltnotsugar@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I think if you sold off your stock before it became public information you’d be in deep poopie doopie.
kautau@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Eh, not if you’re already rich. gestures broadly to the wealthy that do so and suffer no consequence
asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 11 months ago
The whole FAQ: docs.google.com/document/d/…/mobilebasic
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
What’s your favorite brand of air fryer?
techognito@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Who needs phones when we have air fryers…
Also, it feels like “admin” doesn’t necessarily agree with the new policy.
CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I would disagree, I read that this is mostly them being tired with the questions on the policy. While I agree that some of the questions are rediculous, and sympethize with the need to keep students off their phones or other devices, an all out ban removes the ability to instruct students on how to use it, as well as the regulation is really shottily crafted as we can see from one of the questions helpfully listing it in its full text.
“Any non-HCPSS device that may be used to send or receive data via voice, video or text. This includes, but is not limited to, mobile phones, e-readers, tablets, personal computers, wearable technology, video recorders or other devices equipped with microphones, speakers and/or cameras” Let me start out by saying this is utter horse shit as a regulation, while it starts out fine, this only applies to devices we do not own, so loaned out computers are fine, the rest of this utterly falls appart.
First we have the ban classification, any device that may be used to send or receive data via voice, video, or text. This I can work with, so personal laptops are catagoircaly banned no questions asked, carrier pigeons are not as they are not devices, E-Readers without internet capability are fine as they cannot send or receve, video recorders should be fine, agian assuming they are not internet or bluetooth capable (think old school film camera) because agian they cannot send or receve the data they are getting, Air fryer is good, a phone in a bunch of little parts is fine because its not working, ECT ECT.
However what we just have next in the “Includes but is not limited to” Section includes some items that are perfectly fine by the regulation written above, E-Readers, some are uable to send or reseve data unless plugged into a computer, and this say may be, and while that clause is super vauge, there is no reason to think that it would be linked to the school chrome book, “Video recorders” Also not always aplicable nor “other devices equiped with microphones, speakers and or cameras” This would include some old tape recorders or the point and shoot single use cameras, and while a speaker can be technicaly called “sending data via voice” if it has the range to be able to faithfully recreate voice, playing a sound is not what is normaly understood as “sending data” and without creating a deffintion section I am hesitent to grant them this as playing sound is outside of the normaly agreed apon usage of the term. This inlcudes section, does give me an idea of what they wanted to ban, however it is not compatable with what there statment is. I will grant that this probably has force, as it specificaly mentions that these devices are included in the ban, but they give me no real idea of what the previous secion is meaning, and with no deffintion section I really cannot be sure beyond normal usage of words.
Now to the fun part, Under this, most TI-Graphing calculators bought by the student (common practus in the US) would be banned as it is possible to get them to send and receve data via text, and while I have never done it myself I have heard it is not hard. While this may require first plugging it into a computer, as we see with the e-book example that is something they think the students are able and willing to do on the school computer, so a TI-calculator would be banned under this regulation unless provided by the school
Carrier pigeon, not banned under this, however it is probably banned under some please dont bring pets to school provision. That being said, if it is an animal that cannot without just cause be removed, a service dog ect, then they would be in a grey zone on if they can send messages as they are not a device. That being said they could be removed for exceeding the bounds of the animal and causing a disruption. I am not a lawer, I do not deal with ADA issues regularly, I just have a job that deals alot with regulations.
Air Frier,probably fine. Personal Lap top dispite what the admin has repetedly said is not allowed, it is even mentioned in the policy.
the admin says teachers will not be hunting, however there is no way to enforce this.
TLDR the admin is probably supportive of the intent behind the policy, however the students trolling because they do not like it, and the terrible nature of the policy would leave it hard to defend and anyone tired at the end of the day
shalafi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I often forget that while young people aren’t usually too wise to the ways of the world, that doesn’t mean they’re not fucking smart!
Woke to this reading a senior (high school) paper of mine 35-years later. Figured it would be childish. Holy shit! I wrote that at 17?!
Now if I could get the brain plasticity back and tack on the wisdom, I’d be a beast brain. :(
CherryBullets@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I feel like my brain actively degenerated after my teen years
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I want to see the answers on the right.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So dance, fucker, dance.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
This is pure gold
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