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Terrified friends burn to death trapped in Tesla as doors won't open after crash

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.zip⁩

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terrified-friends-burned-death-tesla-34087725

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  • Pirky@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    When I first learned that Teslas (and almost all other EV’s) have electronic only doors, I knew this kind of situation would happen.
    I hope this gets laws enacted that force manufacturers to install mechanical latches on all of their vehicles. I know Teslas have manual overrides on their front doors, but the rear doors still have this issue.

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    • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I hope this gets laws enacted that force manufacturers to install mechanical latches on all of their vehicles.

      Considering Musk’s love affair with the incoming administration, I wouldn’t bet on it for the next 4 years (hopefully)

      In fact I’d be happy to just have the NHTSA avoid being dismantled in the next 4 years

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      • NewNewAccount@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Just how California had laws that effectively forced automakers to make nationwide changes, Europe can still mandate this and it may end up here regardless.

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      • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Mid-terms are in 2 years!

        NHTSA is part of the executive, so he would still have control over it, but we can at least hopefully place restrictions on his power (or impeach) in 2, assuming the election still happens and the results are accepted.

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      • Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        In general, this isn’t exactly a safety conscious administration in those terms.

        Prepare to see a lot more products with serious safety issues coast by disinterested regulators and become popular with your friends and family. Peppering your life with a little extra spice.

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    • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      When I first learned that Teslas (and almost all other EV’s) have electronic only doors

      I really just want a regular car with an EV power train. Don’t to change a bunch of shit on the car, unless it is germane to its function as an EV. Things like doors, instrument clusters, turn signals, infotainment, HVAC controls, shifting (e.g. park, reverse, drive) should be the same as any other vehicle.

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      • mm_maybe@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        You want an e-Golf, which was a beautifully stupid, half-hearted implementation of an EV by Volkswagen, who because they really didn’t want to do it, spent almost nothing on redesign, and in the process creating a ridiculously fun vehicle to drive with sporty handling and high torque at low speed, but nothing else changed from the classic Golf design. Door handles, freaking dials on the dashboard, manual climate and audio controls. Sadly, it isn’t being made anymore. We’ve outgrown ours and it’s time for me to let someone else enjoy the experience (especially with the Biden used EV sales incentives going away soon) but my daughter loves it so much that I’m dreading the tantrum that I know will come when I sell it.

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    • mephiska@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The model Y has mechanical emergency door openers in the front. Not in the rear. It complains about possibly breaking window trim when you use them.

      They are not super obvious though and you’d have to know in an emergency.

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      • ch00f@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yeah the releases in the 3 and Y aren’t too bad. Most people use them by mistake once or twice (and get the warning about window trim).

        The X however is unforgivable. You have to pop off the speaker grills to get to them and then the door also weighs a lot and has to be manually lifted upwards.

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      • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Same with the Model 3.

        I have to disagree with them not being obvious however. Nearly every new person in my Model 3 goes to grab the emergency release immediately. I even added vinyl door open stickers next to the button to make it more obvious and it still happens almost every time.

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    • ramenshaman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The model 3 and Y both back mechanical backups. I suspect the S does too. The back doors on the X definitely don’t, but that’s not the only questionable design decision on the X.

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      • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        but that’s not the only questionable design decision on the X.

        They didn’t want sliding doors because that makes it a minivan. And minivans are “uncool”

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    • AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Rear doors have manual overrides too.

      Not simping for Elon, fuck him.

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      • frostysauce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        *Not available on all models

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    • vxx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Most manufacturers use the door handle to override the electronic system. Like pulling twice or harder than usual.

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      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        That’s fine then. We’re relearning why all cars with manual transmissions have the same foot pedal and shift pattern arrangement. It’s so in a panic situation, people aren’t having to orientate themselves mentally and can just go off of muscle memory to save themselves. I should be shock that Tesla didn’t hire any auto industry veterans that know that, but I’m not. This reeks of software dev shit where every new MBA coming in just has to shake things up and reinvent everything so they can leave their mark.

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    • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Every fucking one of them needs to be recalled.

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    • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Shouldn’t an electric be programmed to open if it finds itself undergoing powerloss? Isn’t that like a very basic failsafe? One so basic it’s the plot to an indie horror game that wasn’t intended for children but found an audience there anyway?

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      • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Clearly Tesla opted for the fail-deadly route instead of the fail-safe route.

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      • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        this is why electric locks should NOT be relied on for safety: electric locks MUST default open when something goes wrong, which means that picking them is as easy as making them malfunction or cutting the power.

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      • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        What game is that?

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    • snekerpimp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      With lord Elon presiding over god king trumps “economy”, I wouldn’t count on that. Adding that safe guard measure would cost him too much.

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    • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      They have mechanical overrides but look whee some of them are. Have to remove a door panel.

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      • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Some of the cheaper ones skipped the overrides in the back to deliver more value to shareholders.

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Teslas (and almost all other EV’s) have electronic only doors

      1. but Teslas don’t.
      2. we never pluralize with an apostrophe.
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  • GarlicToast@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Killed by the department of efficiency

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    • CPMSP@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It’s an apt analogue for what we should all expect from the DOGE; burning to death while everyone watches in terror.

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      • Manalith@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Holy fuck, I never registered that that was the acronym for it.

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      • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Not calling it that, it’s the DGE

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        It hurts seeing a meme that was fun a decade ago get run into the ground by being used so aggressively and so long and so fucking uncoolly.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    This is what it says on their website. Hope you’ve got the link handy if you’re in a crash, and also that you’re not in one that doesn’t have this…

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    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Are you kidding meeeee

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      • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Look it’s very simple if you get in a crash and are on fire.

        Stop. Drop. Roll. Remove the mat from the bottom of the rear door pocket. Press the red tab to remove the access door. Pull the mechanical release cable forward. Remember that not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors. Die.

        Rolls right off the tongue. If you’re still in trouble call 0118 999 88199 9119 725 3.

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    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors.

      I think I see a problem.

      Also: that’s waaaay too many steps for an emergency. Imagine trying to dismantle the door trim when you have a concussion.

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      This is what it looks like when they’re legally forced to do something, but still don’t want to do it, and their customers are idiots who can afford to pay for redundant features.

      So you know, goverment inefficiency. /s

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      • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I hear the new guy in charge of that is a genius!

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    • DiagnosedADHD@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Realistically they should show the owners at the dealership and make sure they open it several times before taking it off the lot then reinforce it in software and make them release it once a month.

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      • UnpledgedCatnapTipper@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        If I remember right, it damages the car to use the manual door override.

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      • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        And what about the passengers? Is the owner going to be required to give an airline attendant “emergency exits are located here” safety speech every time someone hops in the car with them? Can we actually trust them to do so?

        Also, not all models have mechanical release mechanisms in the rear doors. There are models where it is 100% possible to just be locked in the back seat. And when you only have ~15 seconds to escape before the lithium flames+smoke cook you, you’re not going to be able to crawl to the front.

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    • madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It’s so easy! When you get in a crash are panicking and disoriented, who needs a simple quick lever that’s there at all times??? Simply follow these complicated 3 steps to extract yourself from the burning vehicle!

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      • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
        • not available on all models.
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    • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      make everything electronic because Elon thinks it is super cool

      put manual overrides because it was a bad idea

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    • jagged_circle@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Link?

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      • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        tesla.com/…/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F…

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Or they could try a front door, which is much more straightforward

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      • leftytighty@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        What important living beings go in the back anyway? It’s usually just babies, pets, and children.

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      • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Man, I bet those dead kids in the back seat feel so stupid now.

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  • aeharding@vger.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    In my neck of the woods a couple weeks ago five people burned to death in a Tesla. Apparently called 911 from inside the car too. No national news on this either.

    veronapress.com/…/article_39070b78-9ad8-11ef-8de9…

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    • horseloaf@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      In my neck of the woods, four people burned to death in a Tesla last month (news article in French).

      ouest-france.fr/…/une-voiture-electrique-prend-fe…

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  • USSMojave@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Friendly reminder that everyone should have one of these seatbelt-cutter-window-hammer things in their glovebox Image

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    • thesohoriots@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Wouldn’t be a good look for that wankpanzer if a $5 tool from Walmart could bust through its windows. Better call it a Cyber-izer and sell it for $200.

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      • USSMojave@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        And make it in black or gray so it’s impossible to find in an emergency 👌

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Other nice options as stocking stuffers can be spread around the car, like in each door, glovebox, keychain. The hammer type you linked is easier to hold, but you may not be able to reach the glovebox.

      I have broken windows with all three of these exact products during regular extraction training as a firefighter.

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      • SendMePhotos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I don’t trust the yellow one for some reason. I feel like the mechanism wouldn’t work or may require more pressure than one would immediately give. The more mechanics involved, the more points of failure introduced.

        I vouch for the basic ugly window smasher hammer.

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    • SynAcker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Another problem with some teslas (and other vehicles) is that there are switching to laminate for the side window glass for strength purposes. These devices wont work in a survival situation if your car has laminated windows. LINK

      I have heard it’s easy to kick out the windshield, but I’ve never had to test that theory.

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      • RubberElectrons@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I’ve tried to kick them out in a taxi driver fainting situation, it’s really not trivial, particularly if you’re the only one in the back.

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    • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Aren’t Tslas the ones with glove boxes that have to be opened through the console menu?

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Also never go out the drivers side. That Windows is more expensive

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      • fatboy93@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Ahh yes, the window that is worth more than my life.

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    • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The front window is made to be easily kicked out from the inside.

      In a normal car anyways.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I have one, but the issue is being able to find it in an emergency and remembering that it’s there. It’s like girls I’ve known with a 9mm, uh, somewhere, uh, just in case. You actually have to practice some.

      For example; Every time my wife starts burning something in the kitchen I get out of my chair and go the fire extinguisher. Muscle memory is a thing.

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      • myopic_menace@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I love this idea, I’m going to start practicing it myself.

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  • boaratio@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I can’t believe there isn’t an NHTSA regulation about manual egress from an unpowered vehicle. This is just bonkers.

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    • DiagnosedADHD@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      There are manual releases but they’re hidden. They need to be more obvious because these cars are rented to people and obviously the owners aren’t taking the time to figure out where they’re at.

      I would also think just having secondary power packs in each door would help in the event power is cut to ensure the doors can continue to function for a few minutes while also a speaker could explain how to use the emergency release if none of the doors are working.

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      • Zron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Or, how about this: it’s a door, have it work like every other car door for the last 70 years.

        Redesigning stuff to make it “cool” and “futuristic” is fucking stupid and is clearly not safe. Doors have handles, the handles are pulled to open the door. Keep it simple.

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      • Ultraviolet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The reason given for hiding them just makes that fact worse. It’s for “aesthetics”.

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    • Undearius@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      When I drove in a Tesla Model 3, the owner told me not to use the big pull handle because it was the manual release, and instead to use the button at the top of the grab bar.

      I don’t know about the other models but the manual release was a more obvious way to open the door than the intended way.

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    • rando895@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Yeah, imagine if the air brakes failed on a transport truck and instead of them defaulting to on, they no longer worked…

      Or if your Anti-lock braking system defaulted to no brakes instead of brakes without Anti-lock

      Or if the power goes out an elevator just falls to the ground

      Or if…

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  • Doom@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    what a metaphor for America

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  • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    What fucking idiot builds fail-deadly electric door controls into a very flammable car

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  • NutWrench@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yeah but mechanical car door handles aren’t “Cool.” You don’t want to have a car that isn’t cool, right?

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Always have an emergency tool in your car to break your windows in case this shit happens to you. Even if you’re in a car not designed by a god damn moron.

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  • Mwa@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    So happy my car is not a tesla.

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  • demizerone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I put two window smashers with seatbelt cutters in my Wife’s Model Y for this reason. The back seat door releases are HARD to notice as they are buried in a door pocket. We are getting rid of the car next year for something made by an actual 100 year old car company and not run by a fucking greedy dork.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    In the US there are nine investigations involving the Tesla Model Y, ranging from “unexpected brake activation” to “sudden unintended acceleration,” according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

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  • GammaGames@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Hell yeah let’s put this guy in charge of something

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  • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    “Fuck elon musk”

    Car: “Error: Electronic Lock Malfunction. Please say ‘I love Elon Musk’ to begin troubleshooting.”

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  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    This reminds me… I need a glass breaking hammer for safety in my non Tesla car.

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  • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    This isn’t a Tesla or EV problem though. How many back doors have child safety locks?

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  • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Any car without manual door locks and handles is a death trap. They should be required by law.

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  • AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Ah when you try to reinvent the the wheel, fail, and then kill people with it

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  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Find a good lawyer and sue the living shit out of Tesla and “Leon.” I agree with the majority of the comments.

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  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    See? This. This is why I don’t trust my safety to electronic systems. The fancy computer controlled locks and latches are great when they work. When they don’t, shit like this happens.

    At least most cars still have a physical connection between the door handle and the locking mechanism. Not Tesla, for no good goddamned reason.

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  • DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Turn onto your back with your feet towards the door/ window, grab the steering wheel and the doorward edge of the seat, and kick out the window with both feet. This can also be done from a passenger seat as well.

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  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    “when a crash disabled its electronic doors.”

    Female AI voice: Please stay in your seats with your seat belts on until I contact Elon

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  • rational_lib@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    This is not utopia

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  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Everyone keeps commenting mad about “mechanical doors”. Y’all. All Tesla’s have mechanical release doors. There is caveat on the rear doors:

    Model S: Front and rear doors have manual release

    Model 3: Front doors; rear doors only on the Model 3 Highland update

    Model X: Front doors and rear Falcon Wing doors

    Model Y: Front doors; some rear doors

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Is this satire?

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  • UniversalMonk@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I actually like Musk, and when the Tesla came out, I def wanted one. But man, stories like this make me sooo happy I was way to poor ever to afford one!

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  • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    “For god’s sake call customer service!!!”

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  • beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That one’s a deal breaker. Never getting in one again. And yes, that means a lot of taxi cabs 🤷‍♂️🙄

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