Submitted 4 months ago by renzev@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Fun fact: Torx screwdrivers are compatible with Torx Plus screws, but Trox Plus screwdrivers are only compatible with Torx screws that are one size larger
Torx are superior to all other types. I’ve been a carpenter for roughly three decades, and have suffered through all manner of fastening methods that have come and gone. None of them can hold a candle to Torx. I’ve never seen another type that can resist stripping out so well and for so long.
How do you feel about square drive? I’m no carpenter, just someone that’s done enough work around the house, but I’ve found that Torx are the best option but square is a close second (but I don’t think I’ve used them in any especially high torque situations, and they may fall short there).
Square drive (or Robertson) I consider a close second. They do tend to strip out faster, especially in “softer” fasteners like stainless steel.
Torx should be the default over Phillips for sure. Phillips is fine for shit like access panels or screw terminals. Slotted is useless for anything but the adjustment on pots and thermostats. Robertson is just a proto-torx. Everything else either exists to make someone money or is a bolt
Robertson drive tho
robertsons are tapered, so unless you get a proper positive lock, or they have dirt in them or something, they’re more liable to stripping out. But other than that, they’re great.
Least favorite for sure.
Fellow contractor here. Torx or go home. Drywall screws are the only exception I’m willing to make.
Where do you buy torx wood screws or torx metal screws?
I’ve never seen any.
Robertson is superior to all.
What about hexes?
And a set of Allen keys usually saves a trip to the hardware store if you’re missing the right size Torx bit.
Hexes save trip to store when you need torx? How?
Torx can’t hold shit. They’re single use screws.
We can debate this all day long but we all know torque is cheap.
But enough torque, have at thee!
Robinson aka the square head is by far the superior choice.
LOL sure, good one… Only time robinson is the answer is if the question is “what do you get if you put a toddler in charge of designing a poor knockoff unbrako head?”
TEAM TORX REPRESENT!
Things are getting heated in the screw fandom
I’m not canadian, so I don’t have a lot of experience with these. But from the limited experience that I do have, I would rate it 10/10.
What would you recommend for smaller screws (e.g. for electronics)? As far as I know, there aren’t smaller sizes of robertson like there are with torx?
Pozidrive has real nice engagement and doesn’t cam out like Phillips does. And JIS drivers do a better job in Phillips than Phillips ones do.
*Robertson
Found the Canadian.
Its flaw is that you can only get to it in 90deg increments. When the screw is in a hard to reach place that is just unacceptable
As a person that changes out a lot of electrical outlets and switches I have to agree.
Lmao you’ve clearly never met Philips.
And if you’re advocating slotted screws (flathead) you’ve already lost.
Torx is supreme. The end.
Robertson is superior.
sell them in the continental US then >:(
There are basically none here in the 50 states. You can find em, along 50x more torx screws…
Hex is supreme
Hex strips itself constantly. Torx never does that.
No slot shaming!
the worst is not when the screwdriver is fucked but the screw is. That is some huge pain in the ass
Torx doesn’t get fucked though, compared to alan or philips
What about square drive… where does it fit in
wait really? I would imagine those small corners would easily get flattened compared to something with deeper ridges like philips
Maybe because different material? Obviously CrV steel won’t get fucked like chinesium, no matter the shape.
my brother in christ have you seen phillips head and posi drive?
Life sucks. You can’t win.
Or Phillips and JIS?
JIS isn’t real
Working on an 86 RV and hating posi drive. I swear they were designed to strip.
Also no mention of Spider drive that everyone insists is a
probably because nobody buys anything other than torx, considering it’s a brand name, it’s not like they’re going to just do the funny and mislabel a screw. Phillips heads are so common it’s a lot easier to mistake them.
Though if you’re in the field and you run across one i could see it being annoying.
Useful tip: with security torx sockets, with the little nub in the centre, if you get a small flathead screwdriver to jam in there and wiggle a bit, that centre bit will snap off without much difficulty.
You should be able to use a regular Torx screwdriver bit after that.
This is really gonna come in handy during some of my heists
Their only “heists” when you get caught, until then they’re “shenanigans” 😁
It’s easier to just pick up security bits at any hardware store…
Yeah, just exclusively buy security bits and stop worrying about it.
One of these is a settings icon
I have to admit that each time I saw a torx security screw on a case I had to open (looking at you, Compaq) this made me so angry that I used to punch the middle pin away with a flathead screwdriver, and replace the screw with a regular one later. This was in those past times I did not have a fuckton of assorted torx bits in a gigantic case…
I’m with you. I’ve replaced all the torx screws on my Dell with Philips head screws because fuck you Dell. (all the screws inside were already Philips)
Didn’t Compaq use to have those torx with a slit in them where you could put a flathead screwdriver in the slit part?
I know HP uses those on some computers. Pretty neat design, if you ask me!
My favorite is round.
Every screw is round if you’re stubborn enough.
Or, it’s in the intake of a pro master or transit.
I’m Jewish, so I’m going to have to go with the tamper-resistant Torx when I need to use screws on myself.
Not a single person sharing the xkcd comic about standards? Well I’m not doing it.
Don’t discount hex, paired with a ball-end wrench, those are great for odd angles or tight spaces a straight wrench can’t get too.
Why is screw DLC legal? Why are people ok with companies preventing people from working in their own devices?
The EU should fine companies for introducing new standards that break old standards. Or any shit standards like Toslink: lemmy.world/comment/10671314 . Standardization organizations shouldn’t be sleeping through all this shit.
Why does Torx Plus have six teeth but tamper-resistant Torx Plus has five? Whereas ‘what the fuck is this’ basically looks like it should be tamper-resistant Torx Plus?
Torx is the 🐐! Phillips are just terrible, I prefer slotted over Phillips. You can slip out quite easily with slotted but if you are in there they work ok.
Torx drivers are forward compatible with Torx plus screws
+1 for hex, but that’s in a lab setting — climate controlled environment, generally not high torque, pretty benign conditions. But even that is fraught with metric-vs.-imperial mix ups.
Plus what?!
Fuck you all!! I’m not arguing about this again :(
But I found this interesting.
Also great for tamper-resistant screws. Makes it harder for my patients to get screws out to make weapons / self injury implements or to get to the electrical wiring or create a ligature attachment point.
The “wtf is this?” is settings, obviously.
I hate torx and my superduke is covered in those fucking things
Why is tamper-resistant torx plus the only one that’s 5-pronged?
Unexpected lonesome German
And how many of these are needed by the dictates of their use VS how many are needed to restrict your access?
weeeeum@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I repair a lot of tech and I have never seen torx other than the standard, and security version. And security torx drivers are compatible with regular torx
candyman337@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
There’s other types on cars
Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Use torx all the time on not only building sites, but in machinery repair too.
There’s only one type of torx and I think OP is winding us up :)
renzev@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There isn’t. There’s Torx, Torx Plus, and Torx Paralobe. See here for more details: www.semblex.com/en/…/torx-paralobe-pdf/ . Plus there’s also the ttap and tamper-resistant variants shown in the meme.
As other people have mentioned, Torx screwdrivers are forwards compatible with Torx Plus and Torx Paralobe. But the screwdrivers for the newer standards are not backwards compatible with older screws.
Similarly, Tamper-Resistant Torx screwdrivers can be used on regular Torx screws. But Tamper-Resistant Torx Plus screwdrivers cannot be used on regular Torx Plus screws – it’s a completely different shape!
If you’re in a professional setting where you order high-quality screws and drivers in bulk directly from a manufacturer, I’d imagine that this isn’t much of an issue. But if you’re a hobbyist or just need to repair something in a domestic setting, the three different torx variants plus the other non-torx hexalobular screws (WA drive, Polydrive, T-Star Plus) can cause quite a bit of confusion. Anecdotally, I have a set of what I thought were really low-quality Torx bits. Turns out, they’re actually good-quality Torx Plus bits that by design don’t fit my Torx screws.
InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Put timing chains on a Ford v6 without a torx plus 55 and let us know how that went.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Torx plus is pretty common and superior to torx IMO. As a machine designer it’s my preference
uis@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Torx plus ultra premium pro
Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 4 months ago
I assume all those are proprietary temper resistant, tool for it will be expensive so not many tool shop gonna have it.
scrion@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Not really. A solid set for security Torx is available for like $20 from reputable brands. Naturally, you can get higher quality sets and sets that add other security bits, but you still won’t land in an unacceptable price range even for private use, let alone a pro shop.
joyjoy@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Security torx is actually very weak. If you don’t have the security bit, you can break it with a flat head and turn it into a normal torx.