KillingTimeItself
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- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 4 days ago:
well yeah, it’s an insult. That’s like looking at a gun, and then being really confused when it’s capable of killing somebody.
Insults aren’t commonly derived from compliments, they’re often derived from offensive terminology, or context. That’s arguably the whole point.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 6 days ago:
bro i make fun of my friends in public. I don’t talk to people unless it’s a group. Simple as.
If it’s ok for me to be harsh with people in public, i see no reason to stop being harsh with them in private, assuming it meets those boundaries.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 6 days ago:
motherfucker is literally an insult, but ok.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 6 days ago:
to be clear, the wiki page you explicitly linked literally say it has a historical connotation, and the primary example it lists is from checks notes 53 years ago.
I’m going to hazard a guess that the sentiment has probably changed, a little bit. Since 1972. 1972 to be clear, was 8 years after the passing of the civil rights act. It’s a bit of a different time period now.
anyway point is, i’m not convinced anybody cares about using this as a homophobic slur anymore.
Sorry for the short temper, this thread has been too long and I already explained this on another comment.
it’s whatever, that’s how the internet is lol. This thread has been more than amusing for me thus far.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 6 days ago:
Yeah but the proportion of intensity also matters. The n word literally dates back to slavery. It makes sense that it would be a pretty offensive racial line to cross. Although i don’t think it’s fully strict, i think it’s just mostly strict, you can find examples outside of it.
There’s also the question of a slur being situationally relevant. For example, you could write out the n word in long form, specifically for the act of describing it, in a dictionary for instance. You would struggle to argue that it’s a necessarily “racist” usage of the word.
For the same reason i would argue that “cocksucker” isn’t necessarily a slur against gay people, for example, if you don’t use it for the purposes of specifically slurring a gay person. Which also brings into question whether or not it is even a slur in the first place.
Of course there are also words like faggot for example, which are more directly linked to gay people, and being a slur specifically in that regard, it doesn’t have much use outside of that. But even then people do still use it, primarily gay people. Some of us just think it’s a funny word. (you can call me a faggot all you want i don’t care, i just think you look silly lmao) though i would still explicitly denote the slurred usage of faggot.
And even if you were gay, that does not make you immune to internelized homophobia.
and this would be pretty fundamentally “schizo” like we’re talking freudian psychology levels of psycho analysis and diagnosing here. There are certainly select cases where that could theoretically be possible, but i don’t see that being worth more than interesting psychological banter. I mean realistically, it’s meaningless in 99% of cases. There’s going to be another more aggressive tell.
Just like there are plenty of black people who disagree with the usage of the word removed even if spoken by a black person, because it is still rooted in racism.
and you can be against the usage of it, for sure, but i think you’ll have a hard time finding black people who police what other black people say. Just as you will in this case.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 6 days ago:
i suppose that’s fair. But it’s also an insult. They’re not meant to be nice.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 6 days ago:
yeah, it could be literally any flavor. It’s hard to know form the context provided.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
i doubt the war memes weren’t that bad honestly. There’s been a lot of shitposting about it general, it’s just that most people haven’t seen it because it’s not particularly common. The real question is what their actual opinion is.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
literally nobody says vaginalicker though? that’s just not the commonly understood variant of “cocksucker”
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
im sorry are we equating cocksucker, and the n word to be on the same level of offensive slur?
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
or maybe i’m just gay and i think cocksucker is a funny insult, but no i must be homophobic, clearly that’s the only option.
This shits just not that complicated bro, it’s language, doesn’t matter where an insult came from if it’s use is broadly different in modern lexicon. Some fascinating psychoanalysis of random people on the internet.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
that’s also a fundamentally flawed argument though. Unless you’re like actively raping someone, there’s nothing inherently wrong with fucking a woman. That’s why the implication of cocksucker and motherfucker matter, obviously someone fucks everyones mother, but it’s the implication that people who are “motherfuckers” would fuck your mother just to be a problem.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
i mean yeah, pussyfucker if you used as an insult would be quite a weird insult to throw, but it would work i suppose.
Motherfucker is also in the same vein like the other commenter suggested.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
find me people who suck cock that actually give a fuck about other people calling people cocksuckers and we can talk.
And idk if I’d say it’s a power thing, cocksuckers are the active participant in a blow job, and I’d say the submissive one is the one with their meat between a pair of teeth.
nobody is arguing that sucking cock is submissive??? The argument is that being a cocksucker is a submissive thing.
Or you trolling? Or are you actually serious?
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
ok?
So what if i just argued that “cocksucker” just meant that you would suck someones cock if you got you something. I.E. you’re easily bribed/manipulated. As far as i know, that’s how most people use it.
That’s literally the implication like 99% of the time. If you wanted to insult someone for being gay, you would just call them a faggot or something lmao. No need to mince words at that point.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
TRUE
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
bro holy shit i just stated my opinion and i’m being nuremberg’d now lmao.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
damn bro, that’s crazy.
Unfortunately i will sleep well knowing that i don’t engage in shitty behavior with people, and that i just simply do not care about shit like this that much.
do you recognize you’re doing olympic level mental gymnastics throughout these comments in order to make the people you identify with in the internet story the good guys or are you just incredibly dense and/or like fucking with people for kicks?
i don’t like anybody here, all of these people sound like assholes, some of them stuck up their own asses, others a bit too unfiltered for their own good. But we also don’t know the full extent of the conversation and fallout from this, so who knows what actually happened.
Regardless if derek wanted to make the point that these people weren’t great, he didn’t need to leak messages, especially not 5 year old ones. He put as much effort as possible into destroying this friend group, and i wouldn’t be surprised if this is regular behavior from him. People like that use it to their advantage, only to fuck over people later in their lives by doing the same shit lmao.
Anybody willing to without permission leak shit like is asking for trouble, legally or not.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
was the entire “secret” group chat dedicated to making fun of people though? That’s the thing we don’t know, it just seems like a fairly active, long running group chat, with a number of distasteful posts made over time.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
that is true, but i think this is a definite “everybody sucks” type of post.
I’m also not sure that derek needed to leak this either, especially going back like 5 years, that’s pretty unhinged. Even a “yeah i don’t like those guys i joined the group chat and it was 💀” is going to be enough to clue most people in.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
i’m not saying it is, but from what i understand women tend to have a more cohesive social group, and tend to talk about things between them a lot more, so it would reason that there is a larger chance of stuff like this breaking out into that conversation.
Men just don’t really talk about their personal lives all that much. And when they do it’s usually shitposting.
Speaking ill of someone not present to defend themselves is commonly in bad tastes, imo.
to be clear, i would generally agree with this, unless it’s understand to be venting/not seriously considered. It might be weird in the latter half, but it’s a lot less rude if it’s an inside joke specifically among a group of people.
I don’t think it’s a gender specific issue based on the story being about guys doing this.
and to be fair, if we’re going full gender difference analysis, i think guys are a lot more likely to have a group chat like this, than women, so there’s that.
- Comment on [deleted] 1 week ago:
doesnt the new admin just consider USAID fraudulent spending lmao?
- Comment on [deleted] 1 week ago:
no, it’s been a thing brewing since effectively the end of ww2 and the rewriting of “american culture” more broadly since then. It’s only gotten worse over time as we have less and less of a defined and agreed upon societal structure.
Which has eroded the importance of institutions like the government over time. Which the right specifically has aggressively capitalized on.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
yeah, but we also don’t know what they are posting, so it’s equally shitty to assume that what they are posting is substantially bad.
Though assuming by the fallout, it seems like it was pretty bad? But then again i’ve seen friend groups break up over smaller shit.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
the post literally says no nudes??? Are you dumb or stupid? I can’t tell.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
At the point of sharing photos and Photoshopping someone to ridicule them, this isn’t an offhand comment said in frustration. This is planned and executed ridicule and mockery.
i mean, we also don’t know what they are. It could be really bad, but it could also be harmless shitposting among the community.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
but leaked shit talk or breaches of someone else’s privacy will.
shit talk and leaking messages is pretty bad, but that’s really common these days unfortunately. I wonder how frequently texts like that are shared between female group chats. Depends on the person, and the group, but they are just more connected.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
derek is still a cunt though. If you join and find shit you don’t like the first thing you should do is confront people. Either derek just likes causing people problems (and is a problematic individual) or he is not very bright and thinks that everything people say must be 100% true and serious.
I would not ever want to be friends with derek, that’s for sure.
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
just dont admit to them?
- Comment on The consequences (of my actions) have been extreme 1 week ago:
same