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  • HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Every damn power plant is a glorified steam engine

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    • hades@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Except solar. And wind. And hydro.

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      • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Some solar is also boiling water

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      • xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Expect for solar, it’s all just flowy stuff through spinny stuff: wind, water, steam. GRAAAAAAAAAA

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      • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And wind.

        wind is just the effects of premade steam

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      • JakenVeina@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        I dunno if “power plant” quite fits for solar and wind. Definitely for Hydro, though.

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      • TachyonTele@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Hydro also uses steam

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    • magic_lobster_party@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      We’re living in a steampunk world after all

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      • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨minute⁩ ago

        I’m going to be this person I guess, but the defining trait of steampunk isn’t the use of steam alone. It’s that energy is transfered by delivering steam to where it’s used, rather than using it in-place to crested electricity. This means that steampunk machines operate off of some kind of kinetic energy, rather than electrical energy.

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      • Slovene@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m a steampunk girl

        In a steampunk world

        It’s not a big big thing if you steam me

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    • mossberg590@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Readily available, low boiling point, non corrosive (relatively), and ecologically safe. What more do you want?

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      • MutantTailThing@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Also a ridiculously high heat capacity. It does make sense.

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      • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Molten salt. Lower pressure, higher efficiency, and I believe less reactive in the event of an uh-oh.

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    • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hydro isn’t. Nor is solar photo voltaic, wind, or tidal, but yeah, nearly everything else is. In a combined-cycle natural gas or diesel plant half of the power generated isn’t steam power, but the other half is.

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      • imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Hydro is liquid steam

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  • ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why don’t we just pipe our water all the way out to the sun and pipe the steam back to earth.

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    • TachyonTele@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s silly.
      Clouds would knock the pipes down.

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      • Wilco@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I was thinking you could put giant fans on it to blow the clouds away, but then the moon would also knock it down once you got up that high.

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      • ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Then we have to get rid of the clouds

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    • markz@suppo.fi ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      How long is that gonna take? A few decades?

      -Sam Altman, when he hears about this

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      • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨53⁩ ⁨seconds⁩ ago

        Don’t worry, once we set it up we’ll have a consistent supply.

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      • ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Couple of years maybe … maybe longer

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    • treadful@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m curious if it would even be thermodynamically possible. If we could magically run a pipe that far, would the heat from the water radiate into space before it reached earth to do anything useful?

      Someone get XKCD to do a video short on this.

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      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨58⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        i imagine filling any sized pipe to 1au would use most of the water on earth.

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    • MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh yeah! I did that for my house. We have free heat and power. It’s a bit of a pain in the ass to build the pipeline that far out and it took me many more hours than expected, but, the system toots along just fine.

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    • hperrin@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Because it would cool down on the way back.

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      • ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        We just have to pipe it faster

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  • socsa@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    One of the fusion startups says they can use the plasma B field directly. Basically making the plasma the rotor in an electric generator to induce current in a wire.

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    • pennomi@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I really like this concept, wonder how viable it really is though.

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      • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It seems promising, they’re acting like they’re close. They’ve been promising concrete deliverables, I think they’re supposed to have a working model that can actually capture the energy next year

        You never know, but they’re called Triton if you want to check them out. They don’t share progress often, but when they do it seems pretty candid about their progress

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    • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨52⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Maybe it’s based on this: en.wikipedia.org/…/Magnetohydrodynamic_generator

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    • finitebanjo@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This plasma. Does it contain any water vapor?

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      • Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s boiling water all the way down.

        Seriously though, it’s over 100,000,000° so probably not.

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      • Stowaway@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The one im aware of uses deuterium, aka hydrogen2, to generate helium 3. One of the byproducts being tritium, aka hydrogen3. This means there’s potential for 2 deuteriums to mix with an oxygen molecule,this creating ²H2O, aka heavy water.

        I’m neither a chemist, nor physicist. So someone could probably prove me wrong at the drop of a hat, but Im calling it close enough.:p

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    • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Which one? My first impression is that ignoring all the energy in neutrons should be pretty inefficient

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      • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Helion, probably.

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  • chgxvjh@hexbear.net ⁨36⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    They beFactorio fusion generator

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    • TankieTanuki@hexbear.net ⁨27⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Is this a new Factorio unit? I haven’t played in a few years

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      • chgxvjh@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Yes, from the DLC.

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  • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Reminds me of one of my favorite photos, a steam engine being delivered by steam engine!

    Image

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    We live in a Steampunk world.

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  • SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I wonder if nuclear would get more traction If it was pitched as enhanced steam power instead

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    • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “It’s a blockchain of an highly enhanced hydrogen process. Thanks to its quantum mechanism it manages to increase the energy output by a ton.”

      Just tell that to investors and they’ll gobble it up.

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      • inlandempire@jlai.lu ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Needs some ai in there

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    • zarathustra0@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I wonder how fast we could get a steam engine to go if we stuck the a suitably shaped non-critical amount of plutonium in the firebox.

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      • Zwiebel@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And replace the pistons with a turbine…

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      • ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        As fast as it will roll down a hill. A non-critical mass of plutonium isn’t going to produce any significant heat for the boiler.

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      • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        if we stuck a suitably shaped non-critical amount of plutonium in the firebox.

        Non-critical? There isn’t much energy released from natural decay compared to criticality. We created things like this to power space probes like the Voyager I and II craft. 4.5kg of this Plutonium created about 2500w of thermal energy the the beginning of its life and the power declines from there.

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      • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Hilariously this was a plot point I read recently. Isambard Kingdom Brunel replaced the firebox with some poorly shielded uranium, but the initial locomotive that was to demonstrate the technology was sabotaged and exploded, killing his parents.

        This same book also had a fictional mad inventor who created a part newt-human hybrid named Victoria with womanly assets if you catch my drift, who upon failing to educate it he sent to a brothel because he couldn’t stand to “dispose of it” but when the princess and heir to the throne Elizabeth went missing, the newt-human hybrid Victoria was installed on the throne to prevent a constitutional crisis. And this is all events that occurred in the first 2 pages, so I’m not even spoiling anything!

        spoilers for ending of the story *Victoria* in *A Steampunk Trilogy*

        To spoil where the Queen to be Victoria was so well hidden that she couldn’t be found, she was in fact working in the newt-human hybrid Victoria’s room at the brothel! Seriously bonkers stories in that book!

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  • Deconceptualist@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Hey now, we could also use this technology breakthrough to move water from a low elevation to a higher one.

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    • robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net ⁨30⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      steam rises, maybe we could boil water and then condense it at a higher elevation.

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  • Lussy@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Water: kubrick-stare

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  • FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just pipe the electroplasma directly into the workstations. Sure, sometimes this results in dangerous overloads during adverse conditions, but that's what the Cordry rocks are for.

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    • Carl@hexbear.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Can electroplasma be used to spin a turbine? Asking for a friend.

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  • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well, you can apparently also use supercritical carbon dioxide.

    That might be fun.

    But you’re basically still boiling something to make it spin a magnet.

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  • melfie@lemy.lol ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Dihydrogen monoxide is potent greenhouse gas that has caused many deaths, and we should stop using it to generate power.

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    • Silic0n_Alph4@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      While tragic, those losses were necessary sacrifices for the continued success of the dihydrogen monoxide industry.

      Let’s gloss over how the average human being now consists of 60% dihydrogen monoxide, though.

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  • compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Steam makes the magnet go spinny

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  • wiccan2@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Before we can even try to crack fusion, we need to clear out the last of the 2000s pop bands and their videographers.

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  • ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fusion releases a daughter particle and a neutron. Thr daughter particle is much larger and will deposit its energy back into the plasma, the neutron will travel much further until it hits a collector outside the chamber, heating it up, which will heat water. You don’t get to decide which direction the neutron goes, so you have to build this absorber around the entire thing.

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  • hperrin@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How else you gonna turn hot into spark? Turning it into move first is super easy.

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  • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Are these going to be just…kettles for the U.K.?

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  • SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s dangerous to boil anything else.

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    • Kefla@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      You’ll take my boiling titanium from my extremely hot dead hands

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  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    To be fair it is still the easiest way to do it. If you have a fuel source that could last basically forever and a closed circuit where you can reuse the same water infinitely as well, why not?

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  • atlasraven@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You put a copper wire wrapped around high energy plasma and you get…direct voltage right on the line.

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