Proud owner of a tubal litigation here
Why aren't you creating more workers??
Submitted 7 months ago by balderdash9@lemmy.zip to [deleted]
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HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world 7 months ago
REDACTED@infosec.pub 7 months ago
I’m genuinely afraid to get vasectomy, thinking “this is just a phase and l might change my mind later”
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I suffer post vasectomy pain syndrome that comes and goes randomly over the pass of months, and still, it worth.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I wish I could feel comfortable bringing children into the world.
I really want to be a parent in my life
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
I mean you’re half right. In a zoo, the keepers care for their animals, making sure they’re well fed, enriched, and healthy.
We’re being farmed. They are using us to make money from our produce (labour). They’re using us to make money. We’re so over exploited we simply cannot afford to have children.
droans@midwest.social 7 months ago
A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more; otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation…
Every species of animals naturally multiplies in proportion to the means of their subsistence, and no species can ever multiply beyond it. But in civilised society it is only among the inferior ranks of people that the scantiness of subsistence can set limits to the further multiplication of the human species; and it can do so in no other way than by destroying a great part of the children which their fruitful marriages produce.
The liberal reward of labour, by enabling them to provide better for their children, and consequently to bring up a greater number, naturally tends to widen and extend those limits. It deserves to be remarked, too, that it necessarily does this as nearly as possible in the proportion which the demand for labour requires. If this demand is continually increasing, the reward of labour must necessarily encourage in such a manner the marriage and multiplication of labourers, as may enable them to supply that continually increasing demand by a continually increasing population.
- Adam Smith, the father of capitalism
Zentron@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
They hate Smith almost as much as Marx
Rooty@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The birth rate moral panic is 100% manufactured by neoliberal capitalists who simultaneously want high consumption and low wages, which is a logical impossibilty. You cannot have a consumerist society where the average consumer lives paycheck to paycheck
tomiant@programming.dev 7 months ago
It’s only because capitalism demands it. I am tired of people who think we need more people on this planet, we most certainly do not. There is nothing we can’t do with 8 billion of us that we can do with 8 billion plus 1.
AlexLost@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If it’s neoliberalism, why is the right always clamouring about it? I think you are misguided on your aim my friend. You are also right, the time of us having things and enjoying our leisure are in the process of being erased for the good old days of company towns and food lines.
DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
The “right” shy of outright fascists are neoliberals. The term was coined in the eighties and describes a system that like Liberalism classic works primarily off of an idea of a protected class of citizen (as opposed to lesser protected classes of non-citizen) with a series of fundemental “rights” to basic protected freedoms from government interference and choice of “style of life” based around a personal property centric system.
Where Neo-liberalism differs is it detests the welfare state, seeks widespread government deregulation as they see it as an economic deficit, practice widespread government austerity in public programs and seeks to privatize swaths of government services to create new market sectors.
Neo doesn’t mean new in a “of the minute” kind of way. The people who came up with the distinction between liberal branches were describing the likes of Ronald Regan and Margret Thatcher.
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I beg to differ; you can definitely have that society; proof is: we are currently living in it!
toad31@lemmy.cif.su 7 months ago
I don’t want to bring kids in this world that will inevitably grow up with a father when I take out all my frustration and grievances on members of the ruling class.
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I love this person’s glasses.
gingersaffronapricat@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Ok. But what is the mouth
tektite@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
A finger
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Frames like that are excellent birth control.
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Nah, those frames are awesome.
orenj@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
idk im kinda into it
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
im not spending a fortune to raise a child when i can barely afford eggs
ur_ONLEY_freind@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Don’t worry when they get desperate enough they’ll make condoms illegal
tomiant@programming.dev 7 months ago
Really puts the conservative war on reproductive rights in a new light, doesn’t it.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Nice humblebrag I guess, I’m beginning to forget what eggs even taste like
squaresinger@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The math has changed.
100 years ago, you’d get kids so you can afford eggs.
Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Yeah, they child labor laws came and ruined that for everyone.
But don’t worry, soon those too will be a thing of the past!
Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 7 months ago
[deleted]nectar45@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
You and me both sis
trolololol@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m sure your half orange (or was it apple) is out there somewhere, and hope eventually you’ll find them.
Except if you’re follower of one of those toxic masculinity thing. In that case you’re likely looking in the wrong place, because if you hate women your soul mate is someone else from your cult - you love guys like you but didn’t realise it yet. Also go f yourself.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 7 months ago
Wtf was this comment lmao
oppy1984@lemdro.id 7 months ago
Born in 84, I’ve noticed something of a trend in my area. Late gen X and late millennials are having children, most are having two or three, but a lot of people like me born in the mid 80’s aren’t. While this is by no means universal, there does seem to be more people within five years of my age going without kids.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I want biological kids, and I’m right about the point in my life where it would make the most sense to have them. But whenever family asks about it, I tell them I’m not raising children in this kind of administration. They try to suggest that it’s not that bad and I stand firm that they’re not seeing grandbabies until the government stops being so fashy.
Actually, millennials could probably hold our hypothetical babies hostage, see what’s more important to them.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Actually, millennials could probably hold our hypothetical babies hostage
Given how many kids are in some combination of foster system, detention center, corrections program, or concentration camp, maybe millennials need to start finding the actual babies and liberating them.
sommerset@thelemmy.club 7 months ago
Women have a biological clock on them, makes no sense waiting for different admin.
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
I directly know multiple people who had to get what were effectively late term abortions due to pregnancy complications that would’ve put their lives at risk otherwise. We don’t live in the US, so they were fortunate to be able to get the medical care they needed, but it underscores the scariness of the situation in the US; these risks mean that becoming pregnant in the wrong place could literally be a life or death matter. If treatment is received, even people who experience severe complications may be able to have a successful pregnancy in future. Not having access to these things risks breaking the biological clock anyway, so waiting is not unreasonable.
misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Not disagreeing with your point, but women can have children until menopause. It gets riskier and harder but not as much as most people commonly believe. “Biological clock” is a largely made up concept.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 months ago
I’m trying to get pregnant, but it’s kinda hard when you’re a guy.
Sonor@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Slay,
queenking!Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
queing?
Chev@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Arnold Schwarzenegger did it, so can you 👍
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Kinky
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Nothing is impossible.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Never give up 💪
WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
On a more positive note the newest IPCC report on climate has population decline being the biggest positive impact on climate change, so keep at it!
tomiant@programming.dev 7 months ago
How this isn’t obvious and something we should collectively want is beyond me. We really don’t fucking need more than 8 billion people. I don’t think we need more than 1, and even that is pushing it.
Newsteinleo@midwest.social 7 months ago
A friend of mine has three kids and works 70 hours a week. He is not able to make enough to support his family, and social services have been cut so much that his only option is to take out a personal loan, which will only make his problem worse.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 months ago
In the USA? If yes, the US is a sick country in regard to income distribution, labor laws, healthcare and public services. However, if your friend voted MAGA, zero sympathy and he/she can carry on.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
However, if your friend voted MAGA, zero sympathy and he/she can carry on.
Yeah those kids deserve to be neglected! Fuck em!
Newsteinleo@midwest.social 7 months ago
I don’t think children should suffer regardless of who their parents voted for, I find your callousness as bad as bad as those that voted for Trump.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 months ago
However, if your friend voted MAGA, zero sympathy
It’s so bizarre to see liberal politician after liberal politician promise economic reforms common to the rest of the industrial world, then fail to deliver over and over again.
And then someone sees a ghoul like Hilary Clinton or Joe Biden running at the top of the ticket, or an American Psycho like Newsom or Adams or Cuomo trying to hijack any semblance of progressive politics for their own vainglory. And they say “Nope, not supporting that garbage”.
Then everything that comes after is on their heads, somehow.
Not on the heads of the trillionaire plutocrats setting economic policy. Or military leadership goading us into the next war. Or evangelical hucksters selling snake oil to desperate people.
Nope. Always the fault of Joe Dirt when Obama can’t win his third term.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 7 months ago
14 hours leaves you barely 2 hours of personal time in a day. That’s barely enough to just eat and maybe relax but then if you have 3 kids even that time is gone taking care of them. How and why would anyone put themselves through this, like after the first or second kid wouldn’t your own limits become apparent
Newsteinleo@midwest.social 7 months ago
Some people find themselves in places where they lack the choice to limit themselves to two children when an accident happens. Not everyone has the resources to travel to a place where they would be able to make a choice.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 7 months ago
14 hours leaves you barely 2 hours of personal time in a day
You’ve misspelled “commute”
sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day 7 months ago
!lemmysilver
trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I was born with a penis but Luigi Mangione activated my ovaries
cannon_annon88@lemmy.today 7 months ago
Allegedly.
lena@gregtech.eu 7 months ago
Free estrogen!
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Dumb question: do we really need more people? It feels very much like technology/productivity will allow us to support a good lifestyle with fewer people.
AA5B@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s only a dumb question if you’re looking at all the people now. Birth rates across the board are declining and most developed countries are well below replacement. We’re just not noticing yet because people live like 80 years.
Most population projections have us peaking in 25-50 years, then population declines. That’s not all bad but how steeply does population decline and when does it stop? How does it impact economies, politics, who had influence and power. It looks like it could be steep and disruptive, with no prediction on when it will level off.
However if we start mitigating that, start encouraging people to have children, provide more support for raising children, give more hope to potential parents, working together for a brighter future consistently for the next 50 years perhaps we can manage the decline for least disruption. Perhaps we can find a sustainable population to level off at which is still big enough for today’s rapid advancements
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
We? No. Cqpitalism? Yes.
cattywampas@midwest.social 7 months ago
We need some more people. Much as I agree as the future is bleak, if we all simply stopped procreating then there wouldn’t really be any point to anything and truly no reason to want to make the world better. Can’t get to Star Trek future without a future.
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I don’t think I mean a complete stop. I mean like a managed approach of tax incentives that over time encourage smaller families. Predicting and paying for degrees or training so we have a workforce that can fit into the economy easily. And a targeted immigration policy scaled to supplement gaps in the workforce or population.
gnutrino@programming.dev 7 months ago
The problem developed nations are currently facing is that we need enough young people working to continue to support the current population as it ages and retires. The absolute population probably doesn’t need to be as big as it is (unless you plan on starting a war like Russia for example) but it’s not clear how to manage a reducing population gracefully.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 7 months ago
Eh… there’s always Ättestupa…
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Certainly not by letting these dirty foreigners in the country. Those wild people with their 50 kids… wait.
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think it is worth figuring out how to manage it - the alternative isn’t super sustainable. The other thing is that it is like a 50 year challenge, which isn’t insurmountable.
HK65@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
By taxing corporations and reversing this insane wealth concentration.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
why would I want to bring somebody into this world. they’d only have to fight for basic things like “let’s be nice to each other” and “maybe we should pool our money to spend it on big things that benefit us all”
fuck that. I’ll live my little servile life as a cog in the machine as best I can, and then I’ll die. and the dumb fucks who won’t stop breeding while they try to make things worse for their children will repopulate the earth
chaogomu@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Want higher birthrates? Just convince people that tomorrow will be better than today.
That’s how you see a spike in birth rates.
To maintain a steady birthrate, just convince potential parents that the world will not be any worse for their children than it is today.
See, easy.
jimjam5@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Growing up, I was of the mindset that I would have gotten married and started a family by this point in my life. But as of the last few years, my thoughts have done just about a 180.
Even if I was currently with someone/married, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t want to raise kids in this day and age in the US (the bullet dodged me when my ex-girlfriend used plan b after we got intimate without protection). I think best case scenario for me now would be DINK, but gotta find someone that can put up with my dumpster fires first.
TheBat@lemmy.world 7 months ago
By choice.
Not my choice tbh.
tomiant@programming.dev 7 months ago
Also, maybe 8 billion is “enough”. Not breeding is only a problem for the economy. Capitalism needs perpetual growth, there is no end game, just more, of everything, forever.