It’s a shit post, I’ll give you that.
I never realized this
Submitted 3 days ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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vzq@lemmy.world 3 days ago
spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
with no ill will for you, OP, genuinely fuck this boomer ass “joke”
a woman’s name is her name. she lives with it for 1 lifetime, absolutely no longer than her grandfather does. “male” is not somehow the default human identity. stop trying to enforce that standard.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
I think the point of the joke might be more that an attempt to start a matrilineal naming scheme is foiled somewhat from the fact that the maiden name of the mother is derived from her father, i.e. you can’t escape that the last names all come from patrilineal sources for generations.
glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 days ago
If a woman is committed to the idea, she could break the patrilineal naming convention simply by creating herself a new last name, and encouraging her children to take that name instead of their father’s.
spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
…yeah? exactly what i said? i don’t disagree at all except you possibly ignore that the butt of the joke is the woman, normalizing the very repression she attempts to subvert. it’s undermining and mocking the woman’s identity intentionally by asserting the dominance of patriarchal schemes over her own life and decision. (perhaps unintentionally, but nevertheless really.)
in America, historically Black names are also historically dominated by historical slavery and white supremacy (different functions, but the end result of subjugation is parallel). i would post a similar comment hating on a post mocking Black folk for resisting these patterns as well! :)
MBM@lemmings.world 2 days ago
… just pass on the mother’s name to your children? Eventually it matters as much as that your ancestor was a smith. (and that’s besides the “not everyone wants to lose their name on marrying” point)
Onionguy@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Love the little respectful preamble you put there, can we make that internet discussion standard plz.?
spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
i support!
glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 days ago
in my friend group we have a guy we describe as “default {name}”, in order to differentiate him from the other {name}s in the group. He’s a cisgender heterosexual white christian male (a rarity among us). Mostly it’s a joke, because we all agree that being mildly offensive is kinda funny, but it’s also a commentary on society at large. If you’re online talking to people you know nothing about, it’s a safe assumption (christian less and less as the years go by though).
It is absolutely ok to not be “default settings”. You’re not doing anything wrong by not confirming to that standard. I didn’t decide what default is, I learned it by observing society.
spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
appreciate your insight! i fully agree with everything except perhaps:
You’re not doing anything wrong by not confirming to that standard.
still a correct statement on its own, but needs the clarification that it’s not chill to mock or hamper the efforts of that “Othered” community to subvert or reclaim their repression. while it’s certainly not wrong for a woman to conform to the patrilineal system, it’s not chill to “gotcha”-laugh at this woman for using the same name she and her mother have owned their whole lives.
it’s a very Rush Limbaugh-esque “you claim to he a feminist, yet you live under the forces and histories of the patriarchy, curious 🧐” joke, in that it’s not wrong, it’s just intensely and obviously comes from a place of ignorant disrespect.
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I’m pretty sure only people on the internet argue about this. No one actually cares what other’s do with their last name after marriage.
This post has 2017 reddit vibes. Not in a good way either.
TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 day ago
People literally change their names because they feel like it, so I’m sure people do care outside the Internet, specially in circumstances of abuse.
teslasaur@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Well, reddit turned to shit around 2014, so the fact it still sucked around 2017 can’t be a surprise?
People definitely care, but not about which side of the family or if it comes from mommy or daddy. Most people just want an “original” name.
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 3 days ago
When people get married they should come up with a completely new last name for them both.
raoul@lemmy.sdf.org 3 days ago
We should use uuids
nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
our beautiful baby boy Robert 3de2d34e-a089-4a5a-acd8-b00d7c7eb07a
batmaniam@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Calm down Enoch Root
zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
There’s even a website cataloguing them all! everyuuid.com
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 3 days ago
UUID me daddy
Scrollone@feddit.it 2 days ago
I identify myself as a ULID.
spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
came here to make this exact comment, was delighted it already exists XD
cobysev@lemmy.world 3 days ago
A coworker of mine did this. He and his new wife took parts of their last names and blended them together to create a unique new last name for both of them.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 days ago
That’s very cool, i like that
TheBat@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I hope it wasn’t a tragedeigh
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Terrible idea. People clearly already struggling at naming kids. Coming up with a family name will be endless letters making the wrong sound, random sections being ‘silent’, so many puns or references to things, corporate advertising “oh it’s the X.com family!”… Terrible, just terrible.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 days ago
We could always do what Iceland does.
I’m sure that will scale up to much larger populations without issues.
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Are you saying that the people who came up with the original surnames are more qualified than people today? At least with my idea when people come up with a new name they have to use it themselves, rather than their defenseless children.
syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
A lot of last names here are frozen patronyms (e.g. at some point some dude named Hans had kids; now there are lots of people calling themselves his son, Hansen) or place names. I kinda like the place name bit: Just give kids last names to a place they have a connection to. Where they were born or conceived or something.
Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 3 days ago
🎤 My name is chika-chika Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
Zwiebel@feddit.org 3 days ago
Also jobs. Lots of millers, smiths and hunters etc
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 days ago
Dragon Rider The Bathroom At The Roller Rink
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 3 days ago
Conceived? You really want to be named after the motel your daddy did a big cummy in your mommy’s pussy?
Soup@lemmy.world 3 days ago
“London”: Not too bad, works ok.
“Climax”: …
“Tallahassee”: Pretty frickin’ awesome as a nickname but not sure formally.
“Syracuse”: I syr-acuse that of sounding dumb.
But regardless, besides all the “Von” or “De” or whatever names I’m willing to bet that modified or old spelling last names based on places are totally a thing that we also just decided to stop doing.
scytale@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Where they were born or conceived or something.
“Hi there, Mr. Dumpsterbach.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Certainly in the long past your last name was probably derived from the town or area that you lived in. I don’t think it would work today.
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 3 days ago
You’d end up with lots of people in each area having the same name.
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 3 days ago
My wife and I actually did this, sort of. Not a completely new name, but we took her grandmother’s name, rather than either of ours. Or, her great grandfather’s name, I suppose.
droporain@lemmynsfw.com 3 days ago
Introducing Mr and Mrs. KoboldCoterie!
Kitathalla@lemy.lol 3 days ago
The only reason I wouldn’t want to take my partner’s name, or have the partner take mine, is the same reason I wouldn’t want to blend. It’s just a headache to make sure everything is changed. It’s why you see a lot of people who published research before their marriage continue to publish under the same name even if they changed their name. It’s a major hassle.
julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
In Germany the current government had the idea (but never follow through on it) to allow a married couple to form a new last name based on their last names. Funnily enough the article mentions that this meshing of names is already possible and getting more popular in the USA and Great Britain.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 days ago
No thanks. I don’t care what my hypothetical spouse wants to do with their last name but I’m not changing mine. Sounds like a pain in the ass.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 days ago
I know this is a shitposting community but these are, every goddamn one of them, the dumbest possible takes you could have opened a new year with.
ameancow@lemmy.world 2 days ago
A quarter century into the new millenium and our general intelligence level hasn’t budged since the ice age.
lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
Unpopular opinion: Last names are inherently patriarchal and so is marriage
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
On Spain we have two last names, one for the father other for the mother.
And while before the father’s was always the first, since many years couples of newborn babies can choose the order of the surnames.
dingus@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah I’ve always thought it was weird that women are supposed to give up their identity to a man to be married. I’m not really sure why hyphenated names aren’t as popular in the western world or why people don’t occasionally chose to take the woman’s name. I know that women don’t have to change their names, but then often you’ll have the kids as the same name as the father anyway but not the mother. So I’ve heard many women say that they did it so their kids would share their last name.
Hell, I don’t even like my father. But my name is who I am and I like it.
Rooty@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Unpopular opinion: Patriarchy as defined by feminists is a nebulous and unfalsifiable concept that can be replaced by “the devil” without changing the meaning of the sentence it’s used in.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
is that an unpopular opinion, or just a well-known fact?
tomi000@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Why would that be the case? How would marriage between two equals in a non-patriarchy be patriarchal? What about marriage between two women? What about last names in a society of beings without gender?
I think you didnt mean ‘inherently’
bradd@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Okay well, whats the benefit to the male?
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Make up your own surname to assert dominance. Or go by your internet handle.
ameancow@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Reminder that surnames didn’t exist before the middle ages, you just had a singular name that people shouted to get your attention. Since you lived in a community of several dozen people, you didn’t need to do much to differentiate yourself from the other “John” in your town because everyone knows each other. You lived and died just as “John” and would be remembered by your kids for a generation if you were lucky. There was no need to keep track of genealogy, you were a pair of hands and legs, you were supposed to get out there and plow that field and that’s all your baron or lord cared about.
But somewhere after the black plague ravaged Europe and we lost a sizeable chunk of the human population, suddenly workers became in high-demand. Industrialist lords and landowners suddenly didn’t have people smithing their horse shoes or making their bread, so they had to go poach people from far away towns and suddenly workers had power and options. As a way to get noticed for your family’s tradeskill, you would have been wise to advertise this to wealthy employers, the best way was to attach your trade to your name. You were now John Baker to differentiate yourself from John the Drunkard if anyone came looking to hire someone who could cook bread.
So surnames are advertising. It’s all it’s ever been. There’s nothing ancient and special about your name, it was just how your ancestors tried to make a buck.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Lol a lot of people don’t like this realization
Kichae@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
No one is off-put by the realization. Just the attitude the post represents.
Soup@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s more that it’s kinda missing the point. Everything is something else if you try hard enough but in this case the intention behind it is to honour the mother instead of the mother and that’s still working fine.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Isn’t it funny how a simple fact actually bothers people
RBWells@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah, my mom said she didn’t care about taking my dad’s last name, that it didn’t matter since, in her words “women don’t have last names anyway” they are just a way of tracing men’s family lines.
fargeol@lemmy.world 3 days ago
If you didn’t know, Spanish people have two names: the first name of their father and the first name of their mother.
Since these names are their grandfathers names, here’s a better proposal : the first name of your father and the second name of your mother. In that case, your first name corresponds to a bloodline of men and your second name to a bloodline of women… Unless their was a same-sex couple in your family, obviously.
Bonus point, since you get your Y chromosome (if you have one) from your biological father and your mitochondrial DNA from your biological mother, your names correspond to your actual DNA… Unless you’re adopted or illegitimate, obviously.
Railcar8095@lemm.ee 3 days ago
You can actually chose to have them reverted (mother first, father second). Also, the wife does not take the husband’s surname.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Jokes on you, my dad took my mom’s name
ngn@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
why yall having a war on the comments? its a silly meme about last names, who the actual fuck cares?
psycho_driver@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Homelander has the best guy resting bitch face I’ve ever seen.
StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Its not an unusual thing for lesbian couples to pick a new surname for themselves.
Sharp312@lemmy.one 2 days ago
Holy comment section batman
kandoh@reddthat.com 2 days ago
Notice they didn’t use ‘maiden name’ because then the joke falls apart
uis@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Technicallly, it is still of her father.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Nice use of super dick to deliver the uncomfortable truth.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 days ago
I’m noes! People are doing things I didn’t agree to again.
DmMacniel@feddit.org 3 days ago
???
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Sorry OP but this kinda gives “EPIC: WOKE FEMINAZI OWNED ON CAMERA” vibes.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah… it can be interpreted that way. But even as a feminist myself, it is a dumb performative sort of protest. Paternal surnames are the least important fixtures of our patriarchal society, and, unless it was created wholecloth, there are no surnames that aren’t patriarchal historical lyrics, as the meme points out.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Yeah, I wasn’t trying to call you a misogynist, just point out how the meme might look at first glance.
zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
If they think their actions are having much effect, sure, but otherwise I think you’re making assumptions and overreacting. Not everything is for show, people can do things like that just because they personally want to.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That’s the point, but satirically. The fact that homelander is the second frame immediately means the take is bad.
Railcar8095@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Sweet child… The amount of people who don’t see homelander is scary
MBM@lemmings.world 3 days ago
OP’s comments don’t seem very satyrical :')
tomi000@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Not so sure. It may just as well be that OP thinks Homelander is the cool guy and the meme is meant unironically. Their comments here suggest that and their posts are mostly comprised of golf and borderline sexism / boomer jokes
Faresh@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
I don’t think that’s obvious to anyone who hasn’t watched that movie/series/whatever. At least it wasn’t obvious to me, because I don’t know that guy.
frostysauce@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Homelander is acting in character in this meme but Firecracker certainly is not.
SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
It’s one of those posts that IS funny, but makes OP’s viewpoint ambiguous. And if this was reddit and then incels come out of the woodwork to support the meme.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 days ago
I think that’s the intention, but in an ironic/satirical fashion.