I can see criminals easily exploiting this default behavior to stop the car and steal from those inside.
Where’s a Johnny cab when you need it, it knows how to deal with criminals.
Men Harassed A Woman In A Driverless Waymo, Trapping Her In Traffic
Submitted 1 month ago by some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.404media.co/men-harassed-a-woman-in-a-driverless-waymo/
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TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 month ago
roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I doubt choosing to stick up a vehicle covered in cameras with someone who likely isn’t even carrying cash is anyone’s idea of a good payoff.
Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub 1 month ago
idk i think plenty of people carry expensive stuff on them
what a thief could actually get for them is another matter but clearly that doesnt stop them from trying
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Where’s a Johnny cab when you need it
Or a Delamain.
sundray@lemmus.org 1 month ago
allidoislietomyself@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Only if you upgrade to the Excelsior package
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 month ago
My car isn’t driverless, but I as the driver have less control than ever before.
It’s an EV, and it will not shift to drive or reverse if the charging cable is attached.
Great for preventing me from destroying a charger. Terrible for getting away from someone trying to mug me.
Far too much of the safety features these days assume an environment in which all harm is accidental. This comes at the cost of safety in environments where someone is trying to harm another person.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You don’t complain about having to open your door or start the engine when escaping a threat.
Having to unplug a cable during a very specific, imagined threat seems like a niche problem.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is the seatbelt argument all over again. The safety features protect people in the majority of scenarios. While there may be scenarios where it does more harm than good, they are rare. You’re much safer with the safety feature.
spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Pretty simple problem to solve, get a conceal carry permit.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
When the solution is “Vigilantism” you know the situation is fucked.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Oops now everyone got guns and you get killed by some random. I’m sure judge dredd will save you. Try being more violent, violence solves all problem. It’s self defense that mean it’s right. Always remember, dead bodies tell no tales. Aim for the center of mass and always empty the mag to make sure there is only your side of the story left.
TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com 1 month ago
I prefer to reduce demand, instead. Everyday people who feel happy and safe don’t feel the need to be violent.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Would you rather be reading a story about how this woman was arrested for murder? Just because these men were being pigs doesn’t mean you get to kill them…
dubious@lemmy.world 1 month ago
lemmy is full of sissy pacifists but i upvoted you.
III@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Did the lady have 5 kids to feed?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 month ago
She did have 3 boobs.
chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Everyone is a criminal
grandkaiser@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Thank God for cars. Imagine riding public transport and getting felt up/robbed/harassed. Glad we can all agree on this Lemmy 👍
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
In public the group of people watching and in close proximity prevents a lot of crime. Criminals feel shame too and at the very least want to prolong their ability to continue to make money how they do.
A single person in a car is vulnerable simply because they are alone. They think the car protects them but its trivial to smash a window and pull someone out.
tal@lemmy.today 1 month ago
literally tipped a fedora
That’s a trilby, not a fedora. Narrow brim.
Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The official hat of “females always pick the chads, even though I dress better than all these normies!”
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Technically correct, the best kind of correct!
MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Unless you want people to like you!
naticus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ackshully, that’s a jackdaw. Wait, where am I?
bilb@lem.monster 1 month ago
They are both super fucking cool and appropriate to wear with any outfit, so it doesn’t matter.
gwilikers@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Yeah, I would say that this applies in general. That hat that we associate with a particular kind of socially maladjusted individual is not the faithful fedora but its contemptable cousin: the thrilby.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ultraviolence anyone?
roofuskit@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And they probably got upset when women chose the bear.
BambiDiego@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t know why you’re getting downtown, I had the same thought
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because that question was/is blatantly sexist.
Or also put forth the idea that all men, and all would be men, are dangerous predators, for no other reason than being a man. And that’s dangerous thinking.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Waymo should provide a loaded shotgun in every car. It’s America, after all.
/s
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Make it AI controlled for good measure
filcuk@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Russian roulette cab ride
Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Maybe that could spark a nice tradition of the one sitting besides the drivers seat calling ‘shotgun’.
… O wait
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 1 month ago
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 month ago
SAAB tried to corner the US market in the '80s and '90s by giving away a shoulder mounted anti tank rocket with each purchase of a car, but their legal team said “that’s not an appropriate way to deal with road rage.”
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Huh, sounds like their legal department was from Europe?
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
They should have little nozzles to disperse a cloud of pepper spray around the vehicle in emergencies.
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I had this thought too. Probably unrealistic because of all the ways that can go horribly wrong, but somehow that solution seems easier than convincing a certain subset of men to behave themselves.
IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 1 month ago
One of the men repeatedly made a “call me” gesture with his hand, then took his fedora off and literally tipped it at her…
It’s assholes like this that make dudes in fedoras look bad. This and -you know- the hats themselves.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Fedoras are cool. That’s a trilby, the classic neckbeard topper.
Venator@lemmy.nz 1 month ago
ItsTheSamePicture.jpg
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Fedoras are cool.
Lmao
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 month ago
This is why driverless cars are a bad idea, they assume that everything will work as intended and everyone will play by the rules.
You need a human to make a snap decision in cases like these.
I hope these men are arrested for sexual solicitation via coercion (could be tried as attempted rape in the right state), disrupting traffic, sexual harassment, public disturbance. Fuck em, or better yet, don’t fuck em, they’re unfuck worthy.
What were these morons thinking? I’m sex positive as hell, I’m all for bringing back the free love of the 70’s and the LSD of the 60’s, but… bro say you do get her number this way?
The fuck happens next?
“Hey remember me, I’m the dipshit who pressured you into giving me this number by trapping you in your car via exploitation of its safety features? So I’ll pick you up at 7 for a romantic candlelit dinner and afterwards we could go see a movi…” click “Hello? Damn, friendzoned again.”
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Let’s not go too far overboard. These guys are assholes who deserve some consequences. However the article didn’t include anything that looked like attempted rape, nothing violent, no direct threat of harm (indirect, maybe). Let’s try to be proportional here
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Definitely a false imprisonment charge though
Zetta@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Na driverless cars are the future and tens of thousands of people will be saved from car accident deaths per year once most cars are automated. And this may happen in my lifetime which is cool.
You have a bad take imo.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 month ago
And it only takes one driverless car having a bug or some kind of user error to fuck it up for every body.
A man can notice a mistake and correct it, a machine will continue as if everything is fine.
Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Driverless cars can work if enough vehicles are replaced with them. I agree that a few driverless cars in a sea of regular drivers is not optimal though.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 month ago
A few years back at the height of driverless car mania, I was feeling cynical toward my fellow human beings ……
It’ll be a bonanza for the assholes of the world when we’re mostly self-driving vehicles. Imagine being able to cut anyone off in safety and with no consequences. Imagine driving as aggressively as you want as other cars get out of your way. Imagine being able to drive like in an action movie with the confidence that everyone will just get out of your way. Imagine that feeling of power and importance, in your sad pathetic life
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I’d expect the Waymo video to have captured footage of these guys. It might not be that difficult to track them, and street harassment might well qualify as assault if the DA of San Francisco were interested in prosecuting.
That said, it’s telling that they freely and openly harassed a strange woman on the street once the threat of being run over was not a factor.
Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Delamin Cabs vibe over here, hope people get the Excelsior package
TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Waymo offering human remains delivery services should death occur on your journey
yamanii@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The fedora tipping is too funny, seeing it from outside the situation, but she certainly was very scared because it’s such a bizarre situation.
FJW@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Okay, this really seems more like a case of sexual harassment, rather than harassment of Waymo customers, which was my first suspicion. Had it been the latter as part of a politically motivated action against the company I might have had a lot more sympathy, but this is disgusting…
jpreston2005@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“The men came over to the car again and stood in front of it for a few minutes. Finally when they left, the car was still stalled but I clicked the ‘in car support’ on the screen and they seemed to be aware of the issue,” Amina said. “They asked if I was OK and the car began to drive towards my location. They asked if I needed police support and I said no.”
When she was almost to her destination, Waymo support called her again to ask if she was ok, she said. “I assured him that I was fine and he told me I would be given a free ride after,” she said. “After many hours I was called one last time by their support team. They asked if I was OK and told me that they have 24/7 support available. They also said I would get the next ride or next two rides (uncertain) free.”
While scary, I’m left kinda impressed by Waymo’s support.
dutchkimble@lemy.lol 1 month ago
There’s enough footage etc I guess for them to be identified and arrested, wonder if that’s happening
dumbass@leminal.space 1 month ago
I love how he looks like 2 different types of douchebags when he takes his hat off!
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Doing things like this when you’re certainly being recorded is a great idea. Wait, hold on…
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
They are quite lucky that woman was not my mother because she’d have pulled out her gun and been like, I told you to move, gamut.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Too bad the cars can’t realize the people are being assholes and run the fuckers over.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Let’s not call them “men” please.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
In the past, autonomous vehicle development dwelled on the ethical hypothetical situations like “do you hit an old lady crossing the road in order to avoid crashing into a schoolbus full of children?”, but what about safety hypotheticals? Like, if you were actually driving your vehicle, there are moments when it’s in your best interest to not be at a stop, such as when people are physically surrounding your car and potentially mean to cause you harm, which is extremely common in America. When does the driverless car get you out of a tight spot and run over some carjackers if need be?
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I have to admit, I expected a lot worse from the style of writing. This was written like some true crime stuff lol
AbaixoDeCao@lemm.ee 1 month ago
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Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Some nasty jerks they are. Well now internationally famous nasty jerks.
Snapz@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The victim’s statement here ends with an oddly volunteered tangent and specific praise of driverless vehicles, before it finally takes an eerie turn in the last sentence…
"…With that said, I think the Human Factor in this issue is going to be a lot harder to solve than anything else.” …FREEZE CITIZEN!
I do hope she’s okay, and those two folks seem to be clowns, but this thing also all reads as likely guerilla marketing for Waymo - who the article informs me, in a very capitalism-friendly turn of events, that they now have their service open to the public in 3 cities, cars have a safety feature that checked in with her multiple times and they “rewarded” her with an extra ride. It’s a light enough “crime”, with a very engineered feeling and enough to feel “real” while providing ready fodder for morning radio talk shows, Jimmy Fallon and good morning America talking heads to drone on about this morning across America as time filler that quietly advertises waymo “saving” a person from the scary outside world.
Note: Also, was very funny that throughout drafting my comment here “waymo” was constantly being autocorrected to “say no” :)
DancingBear@midwest.social 1 month ago
Just last week I had to run over some mother fuckers
Alpha71@lemmy.world 1 month ago
See now if she had a HUMAN driver, this would have turned out alot differently. But no, we gotta remove another career so Corporations can make more money…
CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Some guys were annoying/sexist to her while she participated in a public menace and I guess this is supposed to mean something to me beyond “stay away from California”
Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 1 month ago
This made me wonder though…the car obviously has cameras on the outside, and there’s also a way to communicate with the support team from inside…so is it a stretch to think that these cars could be auto-recording everything that’s happening inside the car?
Should we - as riders - have any expectation of privacy in a car with no driver?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
She could have called in-car support and they could have called the police, if they didn’t fuck off seeing this.
sirico@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Give it a couple of years they’ll legalise running down pedestrians for self drive cars. Can’t have these jackalopes affecting the bottom line
DeadNinja@lemmy.world 1 month ago
In an instance like this, our riders have 24/7 access to Rider Support agents who will help them navigate the situation in real time
Clearly that’s what a human driver would do, but I guess those Rider Support Agents work for free, so why not fire the driver? /s
dubious@lemmy.world 1 month ago
we need more men willing to stand up for women.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
These cars need to have a panic button that allows a remote operator to talk to the passengers, assess the situation, alert police and override the auto driving to get them out of bad situations. Same as an emergency call button on an elevator basically. I dont understand these cars to have any feature like that so far.
These cars are likely going to turn into hijack machines if they’re programmed for “maximum safety” in situations where, realistically, hitting a pedestrian or causing damage to the vehicle through dangerous terrain may be the only way out with a living passenger.
But that of course requires labor so it will not happen until legally mandated.
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 month ago
I must be tired right now but I don’t see how a remote operator could have driven better in this situation.
You can’t get away from someone blocking your car in traffic without risk.of hitting them or other people or vehicles.
You probably meant they ought to drive away regardless of what they hit, if it helps the passenger escape a.dire.situation? But I have to wonder if a remote operator would agree to be put on the spot like that.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yea I’m not too keen on giving authorization to hit pedestrians. If I feel threatened in my car, I am not allowed to run over the person so why should a driverless car gain that right? And if the panic button is going to call the police, how is that any different from the passenger using their phone to contact police? Seems like extra steps of middlemen and confusion when the passenger could just call once they feel the need.
I could defintely see a case for some extra safety features that help keep the doors locked and shut, maybe thicker windows too if needed to prevent robberies/assaults.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I can’t think of a NY cab driver that couldn’t have handled this situation.
This guy isn’t doing fedoras any favors either - I’m already a bit on the skeptical side when I see a fedora.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
If a man jumps out in front of my car in traffic and points a pistol at me after I stop. I am going around or thru him and there is no other option. Anyone else trying to stop me even without visible weapons is going to get evasive maneuvers to protect myself because I am not dealing with that bullshit. That includes weaving far outside my travel lane or going over a sidewalk. That is self defense and a split second decision. Waymo prioritizes all outside obstacle avoidance which means it doesn’t even want to leave it’s set travel lane, which makes them trivial to stop like this with no recourse.
The point I am making is that self driving has a really hard time interpreting traffic or passenger emergency edge cases like this. A remote operator could make the decision to drive over curbs and other lanes, if free, to save the passenger, and realistically should avoid hitting pedestrians too… but in the case of an armed attacker - well, yknow. Like force for like force. And the medical point still stands. A panic button is needed.
5in1k@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I’m hitting them. I don’t know their intentions. But my intent would be to get away however I can.
cbarrick@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What are you going on about? Have you ever ridden in one of these?
They do have these buttons…
support.google.com/waymo/answer/9172373?hl=en
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 month ago
It sounds like Waymo were already aware of the situation, in fact they called her in the vehicle as it was happening.
Not to say this isn’t a good suggestion, but they seem to have other systems in place that worked.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
It worked, only because these men were only being creepy sexist pieces of shit and didn’t have worse intentions. Customer support according to this article has no control over the vehicle other than restarting the auto driving routines to make the car move again.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
They do, she only used it after they were gone.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 month ago
They have a button on the center-front thingy but it’s not labeled panic or anything.
red@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Considering the length of your comment, you could have started by reading the article.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Well and the draw of these tiny driverless train like objects kinda goes out the window when you have to staff anything at all to monitor and control them.