Men Harassed A Woman In A Driverless Waymo, Trapping Her In Traffic

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• jpreston2005@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “The men came over to the car again and stood in front of it for a few minutes. Finally when they left, the car was still stalled but I clicked the ‘in car support’ on the screen and they seemed to be aware of the issue,” Amina said. “They asked if I was OK and the car began to drive towards my location. They asked if I needed police support and I said no.”

  When she was almost to her destination, Waymo support called her again to ask if she was ok, she said. “I assured him that I was fine and he told me I would be given a free ride after,” she said. “After many hours I was called one last time by their support team. They asked if I was OK and told me that they have 24/7 support available. They also said I would get the next ride or next two rides (uncertain) free.”

  While scary, I’m left kinda impressed by Waymo’s support.

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    100% that is brilliant levels of support.

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• HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is why driverless cars are a bad idea, they assume that everything will work as intended and everyone will play by the rules.

  You need a human to make a snap decision in cases like these.

  I hope these men are arrested for sexual solicitation via coercion (could be tried as attempted rape in the right state), disrupting traffic, sexual harassment, public disturbance. Fuck em, or better yet, don’t fuck em, they’re unfuck worthy.

  What were these morons thinking? I’m sex positive as hell, I’m all for bringing back the free love of the 70’s and the LSD of the 60’s, but… bro say you do get her number this way?

  The fuck happens next?

  “Hey remember me, I’m the dipshit who pressured you into giving me this number by trapping you in your car via exploitation of its safety features? So I’ll pick you up at 7 for a romantic candlelit dinner and afterwards we could go see a movi…” click “Hello? Damn, friendzoned again.”

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  • Abnorc@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Driverless cars can work if enough vehicles are replaced with them. I agree that a few driverless cars in a sea of regular drivers is not optimal though.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A few years back at the height of driverless car mania, I was feeling cynical toward my fellow human beings ……

      It’ll be a bonanza for the assholes of the world when we’re mostly self-driving vehicles. Imagine being able to cut anyone off in safety and with no consequences. Imagine driving as aggressively as you want as other cars get out of your way. Imagine being able to drive like in an action movie with the confidence that everyone will just get out of your way. Imagine that feeling of power and importance, in your sad pathetic life

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  • Zetta@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Na driverless cars are the future and tens of thousands of people will be saved from car accident deaths per year once most cars are automated. And this may happen in my lifetime which is cool.

    You have a bad take imo.

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    • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And it only takes one driverless car having a bug or some kind of user error to fuck it up for every body.

      A man can notice a mistake and correct it, a machine will continue as if everything is fine.

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Let’s not go too far overboard. These guys are assholes who deserve some consequences. However the article didn’t include anything that looked like attempted rape, nothing violent, no direct threat of harm (indirect, maybe). Let’s try to be proportional here

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    • Raiderkev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Definitely a false imprisonment charge though

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• dutchkimble@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There’s enough footage etc I guess for them to be identified and arrested, wonder if that’s happening

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Depending on where this happened this could be tried as sexual assault.

    Not something you want on your criminal record.

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• WrenFeathers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Let’s not call them “men” please.

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  • eatthecake@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    JFC, they don’t cease to be men because they’re assholes. Stop pretending that ‘men’ can’t do anything wrong. There is no man card and men are a diverse group of people.

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    • WrenFeathers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I never said men can’t do anything wrong. Stop. Holding straw men wheee there aren’t any.

      What I meant was BOYS will treat women like this. MEN won’t.

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  • todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, these are men, and the men are not alright…

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    • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nope they’re boys with pubes. Pubes don’t make you a man.

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    • pooperNickel@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think you missed the point

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• roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And they probably got upset when women chose the bear.

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  • BambiDiego@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t know why you’re getting downtown, I had the same thought

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    • CaptPretentious@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because that question was/is blatantly sexist.

      Or also put forth the idea that all men, and all would be men, are dangerous predators, for no other reason than being a man. And that’s dangerous thinking.

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• AbaixoDeCao@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sign up for free access to this post…

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  • egrets@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The whole article is just a description of these tweets: nitter.privacydev.net/…/1840759345354809414

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  • todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I love how 404 Media call out other bad practices on the web, but at the end of the day they still want you to sign up and give them your metadata.

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    • 5gruel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How are they getting my metadata?

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    archive.is/XOxY2

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• dubious@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  we need more men willing to stand up for women.

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• CondensedPossum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Some guys were annoying/sexist to her while she participated in a public menace and I guess this is supposed to mean something to me beyond “stay away from California”

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  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wtf is that even supposed to mean? Fuck off.

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    • CondensedPossum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sorry, here’s plainer language. Driverless cars are a public menace. People who hail them contribute to the acceptance of that public menace. As a reader, I do not find myself compelled to sympathy for your article’s protagonist. I stay away from places like California’s metro areas, because I do not want to participate in social experiments about me being run over by driverless vehicles.

      I hope this has clarified my meaning for you and a lighthearted fuck you right back for posting this propaganda, you corpo-brained parrot.

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  • todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Riding in a self-driving car isn’t illegal in California.

    Street Harassment is: stopstreetharassment.org/…/SSH-KYR-California.pdf

    Says a lot about you that you think riding in a Waymo means you’re fair game for sexual harasment. You’re just looking for excuses for it, huh?

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    • CondensedPossum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      thanks for your contributions to artless rhetoric

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  • blarth@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    California is awesome.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nah, California sucks, there’s way too much traffic, and too many NIMBYs to solve the traffic problems.

      Weather is nice, but that’s not enough to get me to move there. I have family there, so I visit fairly often, but I honestly don’t really enjoy being there.

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• yamanii@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The fedora tipping is too funny, seeing it from outside the situation, but she certainly was very scared because it’s such a bizarre situation.

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fedora tipping doesn’t seem particularly aggressive.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sure, but preventing the car from moving by standing in front of it could be considered aggressive, especially when they knew she had pretty much no other option (I guess aside from getting out?).

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• Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The victim’s statement here ends with an oddly volunteered tangent and specific praise of driverless vehicles, before it finally takes an eerie turn in the last sentence…

  "…With that said, I think the Human Factor in this issue is going to be a lot harder to solve than anything else.” …FREEZE CITIZEN!

  I do hope she’s okay, and those two folks seem to be clowns, but this thing also all reads as likely guerilla marketing for Waymo - who the article informs me, in a very capitalism-friendly turn of events, that they now have their service open to the public in 3 cities, cars have a safety feature that checked in with her multiple times and they “rewarded” her with an extra ride. It’s a light enough “crime”, with a very engineered feeling and enough to feel “real” while providing ready fodder for morning radio talk shows, Jimmy Fallon and good morning America talking heads to drone on about this morning across America as time filler that quietly advertises waymo “saving” a person from the scary outside world.

  Note: Also, was very funny that throughout drafting my comment here “waymo” was constantly being autocorrected to “say no” :)

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• tanka@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s gotta be the cyberpunkiest thing I’ve read in a while.

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• FJW@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Okay, this really seems more like a case of sexual harassment, rather than harassment of Waymo customers, which was my first suspicion. Had it been the latter as part of a politically motivated action against the company I might have had a lot more sympathy, but this is disgusting…

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, I’m sure the asshole thought he was being funny ….

    I’d put it somewhere north of harassment since they physically restricted her, but less than the direct threat that some people think

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  • MenacingPerson@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You saw the fedora and thought it was anything but sexual harassment? LMAO

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    • FJW@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I saw “driverless waymo” in the title.

      Also: Prejudice against people wearing fedoras is still prejudice and thus not really a great thing to have. One of my best friends also likes to wear a hat at times (not sure if it counts as a fedora, I know very little about heads) and is one of the sweetest people I know.

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• Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This made me wonder though…the car obviously has cameras on the outside, and there’s also a way to communicate with the support team from inside…so is it a stretch to think that these cars could be auto-recording everything that’s happening inside the car?

  Should we - as riders - have any expectation of privacy in a car with no driver?

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  • Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You should never expect privacy in someone else’s car.

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  • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, but then the same is true of taxis and Ubers. They all have some kind of recording equipment in them for ensuring safety and cover in case someone claims something.

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• sirico@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Give it a couple of years they’ll legalise running down pedestrians for self drive cars. Can’t have these jackalopes affecting the bottom line

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• TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I can see criminals easily exploiting this default behavior to stop the car and steal from those inside.

  Where’s a Johnny cab when you need it, it knows how to deal with criminals.

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  • grandkaiser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thank God for cars. Imagine riding public transport and getting felt up/robbed/harassed. Glad we can all agree on this Lemmy 👍

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    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In public the group of people watching and in close proximity prevents a lot of crime. Criminals feel shame too and at the very least want to prolong their ability to continue to make money how they do.

      A single person in a car is vulnerable simply because they are alone. They think the car protects them but its trivial to smash a window and pull someone out.

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  • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My car isn’t driverless, but I as the driver have less control than ever before.

    It’s an EV, and it will not shift to drive or reverse if the charging cable is attached.

    Great for preventing me from destroying a charger. Terrible for getting away from someone trying to mug me.

    Far too much of the safety features these days assume an environment in which all harm is accidental. This comes at the cost of safety in environments where someone is trying to harm another person.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is the seatbelt argument all over again. The safety features protect people in the majority of scenarios. While there may be scenarios where it does more harm than good, they are rare. You’re much safer with the safety feature.

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    • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You don’t complain about having to open your door or start the engine when escaping a threat.

      Having to unplug a cable during a very specific, imagined threat seems like a niche problem.

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Where’s a Johnny cab when you need it

    Or a Delamain.

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    • allidoislietomyself@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Only if you upgrade to the Excelsior package

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    • sundray@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Or MagnaVolt.

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  • chemicalprophet@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Everyone is a criminal

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  • roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I doubt choosing to stick up a vehicle covered in cameras with someone who likely isn’t even carrying cash is anyone’s idea of a good payoff.

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    • Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      idk i think plenty of people carry expensive stuff on them

      what a thief could actually get for them is another matter but clearly that doesnt stop them from trying

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  • III@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Did the lady have 5 kids to feed?

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    • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      She did have 3 boobs.

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  • spyd3r@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pretty simple problem to solve, get a conceal carry permit.

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    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oops now everyone got guns and you get killed by some random. I’m sure judge dredd will save you. Try being more violent, violence solves all problem. It’s self defense that mean it’s right. Always remember, dead bodies tell no tales. Aim for the center of mass and always empty the mag to make sure there is only your side of the story left.

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    • todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Would you rather be reading a story about how this woman was arrested for murder? Just because these men were being pigs doesn’t mean you get to kill them…

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    • ben_dover@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      ah, the American solution

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      When the solution is “Vigilantism” you know the situation is fucked.

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    • dubious@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      lemmy is full of sissy pacifists but i upvoted you.

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    • TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I prefer to reduce demand, instead. Everyday people who feel happy and safe don’t feel the need to be violent.

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• DancingBear@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just last week I had to run over some mother fuckers

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• celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  In the past, autonomous vehicle development dwelled on the ethical hypothetical situations like “do you hit an old lady crossing the road in order to avoid crashing into a schoolbus full of children?”, but what about safety hypotheticals? Like, if you were actually driving your vehicle, there are moments when it’s in your best interest to not be at a stop, such as when people are physically surrounding your car and potentially mean to cause you harm, which is extremely common in America. When does the driverless car get you out of a tight spot and run over some carjackers if need be?

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  • cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Extremely common? Really?

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    • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes. I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.

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  • prole@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s definitely not extremely common.

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    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You guys are talking past one another. It’s extremely common at a population level insofar as its happening literally many times per day at the population level. It is not extremely likely at the individual level because the vehicle miles driven per carjacking is massive with most people never getting car jacked.

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    • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.

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  • AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.

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  • BluesF@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Surely you can just take over? You can’t expect the car to run people over for you lol

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    • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The Waymo car wouldn’t let the woman take over.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If an AI car ever has to make a decision on who dies, the answer should always be “whoever agreed to the terms and conditions before they got in the vehicle”.

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• DeadNinja@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  In an instance like this, our riders have 24/7 access to Rider Support agents who will help them navigate the situation in real time

  Clearly that’s what a human driver would do, but I guess those Rider Support Agents work for free, so why not fire the driver? /s

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• jack@monero.town ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I guess there was no way to honk?

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• Alpha71@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  See now if she had a HUMAN driver, this would have turned out alot differently. But no, we gotta remove another career so Corporations can make more money…

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  She could have called in-car support and they could have called the police, if they didn’t fuck off seeing this.

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• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I have to admit, I expected a lot worse from the style of writing. This was written like some true crime stuff lol

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• NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Waymo should provide a loaded shotgun in every car. It’s America, after all.

  /s

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• uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’d expect the Waymo video to have captured footage of these guys. It might not be that difficult to track them, and street harassment might well qualify as assault if the DA of San Francisco were interested in prosecuting.

  That said, it’s telling that they freely and openly harassed a strange woman on the street once the threat of being run over was not a factor.

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• dumbass@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I love how he looks like 2 different types of douchebags when he takes his hat off!

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• shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They are quite lucky that woman was not my mother because she’d have pulled out her gun and been like, I told you to move, gamut.

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• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Doing things like this when you’re certainly being recorded is a great idea. Wait, hold on…

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• empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  These cars need to have a panic button that allows a remote operator to talk to the passengers, assess the situation, alert police and override the auto driving to get them out of bad situations. Same as an emergency call button on an elevator basically. I dont understand these cars to have any feature like that so far.

  These cars are likely going to turn into hijack machines if they’re programmed for “maximum safety” in situations where, realistically, hitting a pedestrian or causing damage to the vehicle through dangerous terrain may be the only way out with a living passenger.

  But that of course requires labor so it will not happen until legally mandated.

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• IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  One of the men repeatedly made a “call me” gesture with his hand, then took his fedora off and literally tipped it at her…

  It’s assholes like this that make dudes in fedoras look bad. This and -you know- the hats themselves.

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