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- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 2 days ago:
See the notebookcheck page above.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 2 days ago:
Honestly I don’t even care if it’s half as fast as a 4070, that’s fast enough for me.
In workstation workloads, some stuff just will not run unless you have a ton of VRAM, and running slower is fine. Or in other cases, you get a gigantic speedup from the virtue of simply having tons of VRAM. That’s the value, not pure core speed compared to some 8GB GPU.
But I am not deluding myself, the core performance is in the ballpark of a laptop 7700S: notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-8060S-Benchmarks-…
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 2 days ago:
I’m sorry, this is a product for suckers. Anyone who buys this has more money than sense. It’s just a fact of life.
There’s literally no better hardware. If I want 48Gb+ vram for $2000, it’s literally a bank of ancient, power sucking Tesla P40s or this… there’s nothing else because Nvidia/AMD processors gouge everything else. Heck, the used 24GB 3090 I bought has skyrocketed in price. I’d still be paying like $1500 for a bare minimum system.
I’d love to be wrong, but the GPU market is totally fucked.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 2 days ago:
Are you trying to claim there’s something “special” about this CPU like the PS3’s cell processor?
There is. It’s a 16-core desktop CPU kinda like Ryzen, but hooked up to an IO die with very fast (8533MHz) quad channel memory. It’s more like a small, power efficient threadripper CPU, if you want to look at it that way.
But that IO die has a 40 CU GPU (compared to 12 for the previous highest end IGP, or 8 for the Steam Deck), so yeah, somewhere in the ballpark of a 4070. Or maybe the 4060 at the lower end of SKUs.
But the real appeal isn’t “magic”: its like an Apple M Pro or Mac, a decent GPU hooked up to a huge pool of VRAM without having to pay freaking $4000+ for a Quadro or A100.
I’d buy it at the drop of a hat for workstation stuff. I also have some friends who want one as a home server, since it’s so powerful but power efficient, and more modular/repairable than some Chinese mini PC.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 2 days ago:
This is ostensibly more of a workstation/dev thing. The integrated GPU is more or less like a very power efficient laptop 4070/4080 with unlimited VRAM, depending on which APU you pick, and the CPU is very fast, with desktop Ryzen CCDs but double the memory bandwidth of what even an 9800 X3D has. In that sense, it’s a steal compared to Nvidia DIGITs or an Apple M4 Max, and Mini PC makers alternatives haven’t really solidified yet.
I think Framework knows they can’t compete with a $900 Walmart laptop and the crazy bulk pricing/corner cutting they do, nor can they price/engineer things (with the same bulk discounts) at the higher end like a ROG Z13/G14.
So… this kinda makes sense to me.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 2 days ago:
Am I really supposed to sit here and list off what makes a great product for a great price?
No, I don’t understand what you are asking for.
You don’t have to be extensive, but… what would you want instead? A more traditional Mini PC? A dGPU instead? A different size laptop? Like, if you could actually tell Framework what you want, in brief, what would you say?
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 3 days ago:
Like what, specifically, instead of this?
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 3 days ago:
What exactly do you want instead?
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 3 days ago:
I guess that’s kinda the point? It will ship with 128GB soldered.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
I’d argue not. It’s as modular/repairable as the platform can be (with them outright stating the problematic soldered RAM), not exorbitantly priced for what it is, and what I think is most “Framework,” is shooting for a niche big OEMs have completely flubbed or enshittified.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
And the “base” of this is physically more like an M4 Pro than a regular M4.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
The AI max chips are a completely different platform, more than double the physical silicon size of most minipc chips.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
Yeah.
But that’s AMD’s fault, as they gimped the GPU so much on the lower end. There should be a “cheap” 8-core, 1-CCD part with close to the full 40 CUs… But there is not.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
DRAM is so cheap and ubiquitous that they will probably keep using that, barring any massive breakthroughs. The “persistence after power-off” is nice to have, but not strictly needed.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
There’s lots of workstation niches that are gated by VRAM size, like very complex rendering, scientific workloads, image/video processing… It’s not mega fast, but basically this can do things at a reasonable speed that you’d normally need a $20K+ computer for.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
This has no X3D, the L3 is shared between CCDs. The only odd thing about this is it has a relatively small “last level” cache on the GPU/Memory die, but X3D CPUs are still kings of single-threaded performance.
This thing has over twice the RAM bandwidth of the desktop CPUs though, and some apps like that. Just depends on the use case.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
The 5090 is basically useless for AI dev/testing because it only has 32GB. Mind as well get an array of 3090s.
The AI Max is slower and finicky, but it will run things you’d normally need an A100 the price of a car to run.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
You don’t have to pick and choose, you can dual boot.
But the only thing I boot Windows for these days is gaming and Microsoft Teams. Linux has come a long way.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
It will be faster than most next-gen laptops, and it’s much cheaper than a similarly-specced Asus Z13. Strix Halo uses a quad channel bus and, 2 full Ryzen CCDs, and a 40 CU GPU. Its more than twice the size/performance of two true “laptop chips” put together.
Everything except the APU/RAM/Mobo combo is upgradable, and you don’t have to replace the whole machine if the board fails.
I mean, if you don’t need that kind of compute/RAM, this system is not for you, and old gaming desktops are probably better deals for pure gaming. But this thing 100% has a niche.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
Or linux.
This thing makes a whole lot of pricey workstations obsolete.
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
Eventually most system RAM will have to be packaged anyway. Physics dictate you pay a penalty having it go over pins and mobo traces, and it gets more severe with every advancement.
It’s possible that external RAM will eventually evolve into a “2nd tier” of system memory, for background processes, spillover, inactive programs/data, things like that).
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
As others said.
In this context it would be one of the CPU/Memory combinations framework offers: en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_AMD_Ryzen_processors#S…
- Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC 5 days ago:
Holy moly this is awesome! I am in for the 128GB SKU.
I know people are going to whine about non upgradable memory, but you can just replace the board, and in this case it’s so worth it for the speed/power efficiency.
My only ask would be a full X16 (or at least a physical X16) PCIe slot or breakout ribbon.
- Comment on 5 days ago:
Yep.
I feel the fediverse should lean towards “overly aggressive” when combatting spam, before it takes root, even with all the negatives that brings.
- Comment on BREAKING: Warner Bros. Games is shutting down Monolith Productions, Player First Games, and WB San Diego, sources tell Bloomberg News. 5 days ago:
It doesn’t seem that big, right?
If WW was stuck in development hell, cutting Monolith makes sense I guess. PFG only did Multiversus, WB SF seemed to only work on/support mobile games, with no recent credits.
- Comment on Scientists move to Bluesky, transitioning away from X and Meta platforms 1 week ago:
This.
Many people like stuff getting recommending to them algorithmically.
- Comment on Indeed 1 week ago:
Already posted this in the earlier thread, but the image seems real. LeVar Burton advocates for this IRL:
- Comment on I love the future. 1 week ago:
Is this even his real Twitter account?
- Comment on Linux royalty backs adoption of Rust for kernel code 1 week ago:
Mostly this ^.
There’s just not really demand for C++ in the kernel; that’s not the case with Rust.
- Comment on Amazon is changing what is written in books 1 week ago:
Uh, title is a bit clickbaity, editorialized. Amazon isn’t changing books yet, they are planning to make it possible for publishers to do so, I think, and also recoking ownership. And the video is not great either.