Comment on Men Harassed A Woman In A Driverless Waymo, Trapping Her In Traffic

• spyd3r@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No, its self defense.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone. “You should have an easy way to kill someone on you at all times, and keep it hidden so they don’t know” is not self defense, but clear signs of a dystopia.

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    • T156@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Especially when it causes law enforcement to become so paranoid of the citizens they’re ostensibly meant to protect, that a mere hailstone landing on the car roof immediately causes them to believe they’re being fired upon.

      That just sounds like a terrible time for everyone involved.

      At that point, you’re basically turning the constabulary into soldiers.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If citizens have a “Constitutional Right” to have a gun, why does exercising the right so often result in law enforcement killing them without a trial?

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    • capital@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone.

      My back is fucked and have an 80% rating from the VA. I’m not getting into fist fights anymore.

      If someone gets blown away stealing shit, the world has become a better place, frankly.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Property is more valuable than human lives.”
        A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

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      • kureta@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Fascism is so normalized :(

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, being limited in self defense to the power of your body is a pre-civilized state. Asking women to punch people to defend themselves is nature rules. That’s where whoever’s biggest gets to take advantage of people.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I have no problems with people carrying mace for self defense. There are highly effective less lethal options.

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• capital@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That was in response to being robbed.

  I think the phrase you’re looking for is “defending yourself”.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t live in a 3rd world country, so I guess I just don’t understand the concept of needing to arm myself before leaving my house because I’m likely to need a deadly weapon while I go about my business.

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    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t live in a 3rd world country

      lol the US has the highest death rate from gun violence - it’s literally the #1 killer of children.

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      • Obi@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In these kinds of discussions you can assume the third world country jab was a reference to the US.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        As an aside: part of the definition of a First World Country includes being a “stable democracy”.

        If a poll was done of American citizens asking them “do you think fraud will play a part in the upcoming election?” I would be shocked if less than 80% said yes. That doesn’t sound like a stable democracy to me.

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    • capital@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What country do you live in? I’m curious which one has no theft.

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      • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Check out my username for an idea of where I live. Besides a bit of gang on gang action in our capital, violent crimes are extremely rare. It’s maybe once a year that police have to shoot at a person, and even then police officers will assess the situation and if possible not go for center mass.

        Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There’s a difference between “violent crime exists” and “violent crime is so prevalent that regular citizens need to carry around an implement designed to kill people quickly while they go about their daily lives.”

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t care. Like I said, in some states you can employ deadly force to keep someone from making off with your shit. I do not value those people more than my property. Straight up. I’m not deflecting or side stepping or mincing words. They’re trash and I do not morn them should they be shot and killed during the course of taking things that aren’t theirs.

    None of that is “defending yourself”.

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    • capital@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      the act of defending oneself, one’s property, or a close relative

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      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Reasonable Force

        Reasonable force refers to the amount of force that is necessary for a person to defend himself or his property, without going overboard. It is especially important to prove whether or not the force a person used was reasonable in order to determine his level of liability for the crime. Hence why reasonable force is also referred to as “legal force.” For instance, a father who gets into an argument with his son’s baseball coach, shoving him with his hands, has started the conflict. If the coach, in defending himself, picks up a baseball bat and slams it into the father’s head several times, it could not reasonably be considered self defense.

        If a person can prove that he used reasonable force to defend himself, he may be able to avoid being prosecuted for a crime.

        If a person uses more force than what would be considered necessary to protect himself from an aggressor, then this would be considered excessive or unreasonable force. Once excessive force has been proven, then the defendant’s self defense argument is considered forfeited. For instance, a defendant is justified in using force that is intended or likely to cause death or severe injury if someone violently enters his home, and he believes such force is necessary to prevent harm from coming to himself, or to another person in the home.

        legaldictionary.net/self-defense/

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