hot take?
Fuckin love ubuntu despite knowing it’s a cold take. How about that dogshit?
Using Ubuntu may give off a hipster vibes to the average PC user, but within the Linux community its has the opposite effect.
Submitted 6 months ago by Sunny@slrpnk.net to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 6 months ago
skygirl@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh snap
juergen@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
The snap infrastructure is indeed what some object to the most.
PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Im of the opinion that the distro is far less important than the Desktop Environment. Ubuntu only really “feels like Ubuntu” because of GNOME.
folkrav@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Most of what differentiates a distro from another is one of:
- package manager
- default packages/configurations (including the desktop environment)
- init system
The rest well… it’s Linux.
KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m done with Ubuntu, after it had glaringly obvious bugs in 4 seperate releases right after booting the default install.
I’m talking, system starts and the first thing you see is a crash message. Or the DE locking up. Or the software center throwing an error when you try to install a program. Or Firefox telling you it can’t restore your tabs, when you just started it for the first time. etc.
Debian used to be more of a hassle to set up, but nowadays I think it’s one of the highest quality distros available. It really just works.
Arch is also very good, and never broke on me in a decade, but what it does do is change stuff on you constantly, and I’m getting too old for that.cam_i_am@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Definitely, I don’t really like Ubuntu that much even though it’s my go-to. What I like is Xfce. Whether I get it via xubuntu or something else I don’t really care.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Snap tho
brap@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Ha same here. I’d try something else but I really just cba to start again on my server and desktop.
kescusay@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Arch Linux user here to say… Ubuntu’s fine, man. Love all the derivatives that can take advantage of the core Ubuntu system (e.g., Mint, which I’ve installed for family members).
I love Arch. I use it all the time. I will not inflict it on any family members.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 6 months ago
And for those of us that love Arch but don’t have time for it, EndeavourOS.
GFGJewbacca@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I had a much better experience with Manjaro over EndeavourOS because it supported more of my hardware, but to be fair I’m using an Asus gaming laptop. When I build my next desktop, I’m gonna try a straight Arch install.
Driveway4964@lemmy.world 6 months ago
ArcoLinux FTW
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
the problem with ubuntu is canonical, it’s a shame it’s got the reputation as “the third OS” when it’s basically the only distro that’s trying to replicate the walled gardens of microsoft and apple.
Sunny@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Yeah, well said.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
It’s one rich dudes toy is how I see it. It’s a good distro but once I tried to uninstall some things and it wouldn’t let me and so that was the end of it for me at home. I use the server version at work for one machine.
SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
I wouldn’t describe Microsoft as a walled garden. But maybe that term comes with degrees, and different perspectives of what’s tolerable.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Windows is less of a “walled garden”, and more like a shared garden where the other gardener is really inconsiderate and will mess up your part of the garden whenever it doesn’t align with their vision.
mako@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Jesus Christ this thread is full of people who don’t realize they’re the judging hipster in the post.
Ubuntu isn’t the entry level distro that you move on from once you’ve gotten your feet wet, and your not very subtle pats on your own backs for using something different aren’t earned.
Does it do everything the user needs from it? If so, don’t tell them that they need to “graduate” to a “better” flavor.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
For real I started on Ubuntu and nearly a decade later I still would be on Ubuntu if it wasn’t for their migration to snaps with the proprietary back end.
olutukko@lemmy.world 6 months ago
for real. my uncle has been programmer his whole life and he was always the most linux guy I’ve known. I have never seen him use any other os. and yet he uses ubuntu. his own words are thar he doesn’t care about all the bells and whistles that come trough distros like arch or gentoo. ubuntu works well enough for him and it’s what he is used to, so he uses that.
using ubuntu defiently does not mean you’re a noob or non-techy linux user. personally I wouldn’t touch it again but the linux culture about arch being superior and others being for noobs is ridiculous
vanderbilt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This 1000%. Since basically High School I’ve been on Ubuntu for the machines I need to work, because at the end of the day it usually does. Some of the people I meet see that I use a Chromebook with the containers enabled and have similar reactions. “How can you use that it’s not even real Linux?”, as if it isn’t literally a Linux kernel. The Steam Deck is popular because you don’t need to know Linux to use it, and Ubuntu is popular because you don’t need to know a lot of Linux to use it.
joel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Ironically I’ve tried installing Ubuntu a couple of times in the past, but for whatever reason it didn’t work. I’m currently using Debian instead just because the install worked. No idea why, maybe my laptop is just weird.
I used Arch for years because I wanted to learn more about how linux works and it was a good way to push myself. I think it worked because I am better at problem solving now - I even read the error messages lol
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 months ago
All the linux makes me say “do what now?”
I just want to change the settings on my fan. It’s been roughly 2 years.
boonhet@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I ran Gentoo for about 3 years (and will likely return soon) and I reckon there are plenty of really advanced Ubuntu users who know more about how my system works than I do.
Any mainstream general purpose distro can do mostly anything and can be used by power users. Some should ONLY be used by power users, but that doesn’t make them inherently better than a distro that both a newbie and a power user can understand and use.
You know why I use Gentoo? Literally the bragging rights. I doubt I’m optimizing things THAT much with my fancy compiler flags.
olutukko@lemmy.world 6 months ago
this is so true. just because one can use more advanced systems doesn’t mean he’s smarter than all the more “basic” system users. especially in the linux world.
all of the distros can pretty much do the same thing, some distros are just more focused on the ease of use.
Emmie@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I still prefer nerdy hipster elitists gatekeepers from greedy corps after all is said and done. The first is unfortunate flaw of human character the second is a calculated machine. If this is the price to pay then so be it.
drmoose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Only linux newbies and weirdos hate on Ubuntu. It’s a good all around operating system. Not the best choice and Canonical fails a lot but it’s still a net good.
Greg@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
The neck beards that judge someone’s distro choice without knowing their use cases don’t represent the Linux community. Just use the best tool for the job
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I’m not convinced Ubuntu is a good tool for many jobs.
SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
To be fair, most tools are pretty bad at all other jobs besides the one it was made for. Same goes for an OS. If Ubuntu is made to off ramp people more comfortable with Windows, then that’s just a fine purpose for aln OS.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
At this point it’s the third best server OS in the Linux space and a below average desktop experience.
Greg@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I use Ubuntu on most of my servers and dual boot my gaming rig with Ubuntu Desktop mainly to host LLMs. I’ve been a Linux user for 25 years, I remember playing around with Red Hat pre 2000. Right now though, I want a solid distro that supports lots of hardware (my network consists of x86, ARM, Oracle Cloud, SBCs, etc), has a large community for support, and isn’t likely to get abandoned. Ubuntu solves that
adam_y@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Absolutely loving the replies to this.
This is how the extended Linux community wins for me.
Sure we talk shit for fun. The Arch BTW stuff, the Gentoo shade and Slackware side-eye. But its all in jest, ultimately.
Well done.
Sunny@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Thanks, have a nice day 🌻
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
No, Apple gives off hipster vibes to the average PC user. Apple products are basically jewelry, you choose Apple products largely to be seen with them, so that when you slide that phone out of your pocket there’s that Apple logo on it. So that your bubble is blue in iMessage. That’s hipster shit.
The average PC user has never seen Linux running on a PC and doesn’t understand what a “distro” is at all. Ubuntu and its default Gnome DE isn’t as easily mistaken for Windows as KDE or Cinnamon is, so this one might spark the conversation a little faster, and “average” Windows users tend to compare Linux users of all stripes to vegans.
WIthin the Linux community, Until maybe 5 years ago Ubuntu had the “beginner OS” stank to it. “Start here until you’re ready to edit xorg.conf like a real man.” Canonical has been shifting away from “Linux for the masses” and more toward “Leveraging synergies” to the point that I straight-up recommend against Ubuntu for daily use as their Snap ecosystem has a lot of disadvantages for desktop users especially gamers. To me, Ubuntu is a radial arm saw, the wonder do-all death trap grampa won’t shut up about that no one makes anymore. In the modern day, best practice is to forget they exist.
nifty@lemmy.world 6 months ago
How is macOS hipster? Apple products are so damn popular.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Apple’s core ethos is “be hip and trendy.” They make electronics to be seen with, style before substance. That’s 200% hipster shit.
unreasonabro@lemmy.world 6 months ago
duhhhhh
arvere@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Apple products are basically jewelry, you choose Apple products largely to be seen with them
that’s usually the take of someone who has never actually used them. I’m far from an Apple fanboy - I actually use all OS because I understood a while ago that each has its strengths.
my main machine is a Mac and the reason for that is that it is very reliable. I feel like I can count on it to take somewhere and have it just work and not get stuck in a boot loop, or locked out in the login screen (things I faced with linux distros) or stuck in a surprise update screen with Windows.
of course it’s a locked down system with little flexibility and could be expensive, but it pays off in reliability imo. when I want to do some more tricky shenanigans I have a machine with linux, and windows is for… well it’s only really worth to play games with for me hehe
tldr I wish all jewellery was that useful
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What is the best distro for gaming on Linux?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I can’t argue with @Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 's answer of "SteamOS running on the Steam Deck. Beyond that, on normal x86 gaming PC hardware? There isn’t a meaningful answer. I have perfectly good luck gaming on Linux Mint. Others prefer Arch or its forks, some prefer Nobara which is on the Fedora family tree.
What’s the best distro for gaming on Linux? The one that you keep installed.
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Technically, steamOS because it’s designed to play games and it’s what the steam deck uses. That probably won’t have many other non-gaming features though, and I’ve personally never used it. In my experience, you can get most games without a hyper-aggressive anti cheat working on any Linux distro with varying degrees of effort, just a matter of having all the needed libraries installed! The more popular distros like Ubuntu, popOS, Fedora, even Arch (btw) should have a lot of helpful information out there on how to get Lutris or Steam set up.
bitwaba@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Personally, I’ve been gaming on Arch with minimal issues for 2 years. Mostly stick to steam games for the low effort required though.
slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m a big PC guy, love building my own computers every few years. But, I use MacBooks for when I’m out of the house/traveling. Because windows laptops suck and MacBooks are just good.
Greg@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
My daily driver used to be a MacBook Air running Linux. Apple hardware is amazing, I don’t give a shit about the logo on my laptop. I only switched to MacOS for a daily driver when I started working for a company that gave me a MacBook pro so I sold my Air which was just gathering dust.
UckyBon@lemmy.world 6 months ago
[deleted]captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
You sound like you play Call of Duty.
Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Correct me if I’m wrong,
but I have been disliking Ubuntu because they use:- Proprietary pieces in their code
- Telemetry (spyware)
- Snap packages by default
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And thats fine. You are entitled to your opinion, and your opinion is based on actual things.
As long as you don’t denigrate and insult others for using it, or try to pretend your the superior linux hackerman for not using it, You’re all good.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 6 months ago
I have used Ubuntu for years. I’m not a noob by any means, and would consider myself more advanced than most users. I used to love tinkering, but once I had a set of scripts built that set everything up just the way I like it on a new install, the need to tinker faded.
I have recently switched to Debian due to bloat and snaps, but I won’t ever judge an Ubuntu user.
Specal@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I use Ubuntu on my servers because it just… Works, out of the box I can run my scripts and have no issues 100% of the time. On desktops I used to use SolusOS for gaming as that was the only Linux OS at the time I could comfortably game on without many hiccups.
simpleslipeagle@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
Yeah I started in the Red Hat 2 era, played with all the WMs and DEs, compiled my own kernel a few times. After a point I had too much going on in my life to tinker with my distro. My needs are simple, I just need a terminal and a package manager.
Snaps have issues sure, but anything is better than the dependency hell of old.
Use what works. It’s really that simple.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 6 months ago
Would recommend Debian then. The switch was pretty smooth for me. Almost everything worked the same, but without the snaps.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Do you judge me? I use Windows 7.
If the machine still worked, I’d be using Windows XP.
0421008445828ceb46f496700a5fa6@kbin.social 6 months ago
Ubuntu is great. It works.
1984@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Barely. :)
jjlinux@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
10% of the time, sure.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
It also runs like a snail
pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
If you want something faster than a snail, Spirallinux has you covered:
spirallinux.github.ioSuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Hard disagree. I dual boot both Windows 11 and Ubuntu on my main laptop and Ubuntu is usually way faster feeling, except sometimes on shutdown due to some snap or cups bug. Almost everything opens in a second or less, and I get better battery life on Ubuntu as well. My bigger problem is that it struggles with WiFi under crowded conditions.
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I’m rly happy when ppl switch to a GNU/Linux OS, tho I would never recommend Ubunto to anyone (anymore), since Linux Mint has a much saner no bs team that is not fucked over by a corporate
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 6 months ago
Ubuntu is a gateway drug. Its lickable Fisher-Price interface is easy to use for basic tasks like web browsing, email and so on, and the always present sidebar provides reassurance. Once users start chafing against the limitations, they can move to forks like Xubuntu, or all the way to Debian itself, or if they really want to get their hands dirty, Arch.
Omgboom@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Ubuntu is great, until you find a better distribution
whaleross@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Use whatever works for you. Don’t take selection advice from people that make their operating system of choice a crusade and identity.
istanbullu@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Show Ubuntu some love. Ubuntu is the entry distro of many us. But you move on once you grow up a little.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 months ago
I remember back in the day when Slackware was both the elitist and the loser’s Linux distro at the same time.
AlphaAutist@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Ubuntu was my first Linux desktop distro and I’ve been using it for 4ish years. I really liked it but I no longer feel like I can trust canonical after the whole ‘secretly install Firefox snap when installed with apt cli’ thing. It wouldn’t have even been a big deal if they just said it was only available as a snap but the execution pissed me off to the point of switching
sag@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I use Ubuntu because I have just 2 brain cell
guacupado@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Why would Ubuntu give off hipster vibes? It’s literally the default standard for Linux.
fossphi@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I too listen to the Linux after dark podcast
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I use Ubuntu for all my home lab servers unless there’s a specific requirement for something else.
I never install the desktop version except when experimenting, and in those cases, I’d be just as happy using any other distro, since those use cases are fairly limited both in scope and duration.
Ubuntu is just the os I put on virtual servers.
Judge me if you want. I really could not possibly care less. I also use Windows on my daily driver desktop.
I’m considering going canonical MAAS for a new deployment of open stack servers which will be replacing my current hypervisors (which are VMware), pushing Ubuntu and OpenStack onto systems for use and probably also using MAAS to roll out future virtual machines in OpenStack.
I like the canonical Kool aid.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 6 months ago
All people that I know that uses linux is using Ubuntu. I’m the wierdo using Debian
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
not even a hot take. the only people who seem to hate ubuntu are the hardcore linux nerds who like custom building kernels and shit- which, honestly, more power to them, but i have the big dumb and want click button make work.
Admittedly I don’t really like how they’re handling packages these days, it’s a bit messy, but whatever.
I currently run ubuntu alongside my windows install just because I needed linux to experiment with AI models, and the only AMD drivers that work for ROCm support are Ubuntu only (packages are permanently dependency-broken on other distros).
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
if linux is hipster than i guess its time i start my openbsd arc
terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Funny description came up about Linux this weekend from my father in law. He kept referring to Linux as an “aftermarket OS”. First time I’ve heard it out like that, didn’t bother responding tbh lol.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Imagine thinking people view you as a hipster for using Linux.
4grams@awful.systems 6 months ago
It’s Debian based so gets a pass, so long as it’s headless.
dajoho@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Anyone using Ubuntu is one person less using windows. I call that a win. Everyone has to start somewhere!
BossDj@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Ubuntu was my training wheels 15 years ago
umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
i still use it, from all these years.
thinking of hopping soon tho
CluckN@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Windows is so dominant in the market that not using it is still named after them.
VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I started on Debian potato and used pretty much every distribution at sone point, often three at a time. I’ve used Ubuntu for the last five years because it’s easy, stable and upto date. I know people get very minmax about their choice of os and I love that but yeah we need to remember when we say it’s ‘fine’ or ‘good enough’ that yeah it’s not race tuned or weaponised or whatever special builds people are making but ita still much much better than windows.