For those that don’t want to read the article:
Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel
Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals
Submitted 10 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to technology@lemmy.world
https://electrek.co/2024/01/03/tesla-is-banned-from-driving-schools-because-of-new-turn-signals/
Comments
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel
Its even worse than that. The buttons are smooth surface (like a touch screen) with haptic feedback. These are truly a horrible idea:
If I had one of these Tesla cars I’d look into retrofitting the stalks back in.
ech@lemm.ee 10 months ago
If you buy a Tesla at this point, you deserve to be stuck with it.
hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
They might get in trouble with EU laws if they do it here as well…
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Holy shit that’s worse than how the article put it
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 10 months ago
If this catch on, maybe 3rd party Bluetooth/USB stalk will be a thing.
andthenthreemore@startrek.website 10 months ago
That doesn’t sound like it’ll be legal in a lot of countries.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Up for right and down for left. Yeah, that makes fuckin’ sense. Did they take their inspiration for the keyboard on the Apple 2GS?
It would have been smarter to zip tie the turn signal switch assembly from a 1980’s motorcycle onto the steering wheel. At least on a motorcycle switch left means left and right means right (and center is cancel).
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 10 months ago
retrofitting the stalks back in.
Tesla is going to sue you for 50000 :-)
Wrench@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Wtf, seriously? I’ve tried using media buttons on the steering wheel during a turn. It’s not reliable in the slightest, because it’s a moving target.
Does the non circular steering non-wheel never go past 90 degrees or something?
GentriFriedRice@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tbf you are supposed use the signal before turning wheel
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I once accidentally dialed 911 from my steering wheel phone buttons while pulling a turn. Surprised the shit out of me and the dispatcher didn’t sound like this was the first call of the type. This is a fucking terrible idea.
LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You wish but it’s not drive by wire. You steel to turn in multiple times in sharp angles. Of the ratio were to change relative to speed it would make sense but right now it’s just plain dumb.
deafboy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Not sure about the older teslas, but the cybertruck steering is way more sensitive, so you shouldn’t need to turn it more than 90°. And the buttons on the wheel are at least normal clicky buttons now, instead of touch sensitive areas. Which is less bad, but still pretty bad.
My old peugeot has an extra stick behind the wheel for the radio control, and it’s the best UX ever invented.
guacupado@lemmy.world 10 months ago
What? You’d be hitting the turn signal when you’re going straight. Do you drive a BMW or something?
can@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
In Norway, you have to indicate your exit in a roundabout by activating your turn signal, and he found it difficult while turning the steering wheel, which you have to do in a roundabout. A driving student would fail their test if they don’t activate their turn signal in a roundabout in Norway.
He said:
I tested the Model 3, and noticed that I lost both focus and direction in roundabouts. It’s not directly life-threatening, but you run the risk of both driving on curbs and other cars if there are two lanes.
After posting his findings in a group for driving schools, he was met with agreement by many other instructors who said that they experienced the same issue and the risk is much higher with students.
snooggums@kbin.social 10 months ago
It's like car features that have been around for 70+ years are the way they are for a reason.
barsoap@lemm.ee 10 months ago
People who actually know how to signal in a roundabout are a rare breed. Dunno how it’s in other countries but the German rules actually make sense: Don’t signal when entering. There’s exactly one way to go, so why would you. Don’t signal when driving around the roundabout as that’s straight ahead (even if it’s a circle). Do signal before the exit you want to take, this is for the benefit of people waiting to enter (or maybe those behind but only on 2-lane roundabouts). As a corollary: If you signal while you enter you’re pining straight for the first exit… but honestly avoid it too many people signal wrong so it’s better to not play fast+loose.
hackris@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.
Why the hell do billionaires keep laughing in our faces? I swear every time one of them or their companies opens their mouth, it’s like they’re making fun of us, the poor people.
“We care about your privacy” — (they don’t) “a turn signal will soon be unnecessary” etc.
deafboy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving
That’s like not including a stick for the manual transmission, because the automatic one is just around the corner. I wish I possessed this kind of optimism in my daily life :D
Bazoogle@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I enjoy driving stick, but stick will likely not last forever. We will not be able to burn fossil fuels for that much longer in the grand scheme of things. Electric vehicles usually have a single speed transmission, so there are literally no gears to change. Perhaps there may be an alternative fuel vehicle that still has multiple speed transmission, in which case stick could still exist, though how many car manufacturers would make them?
stoly@lemmy.world 10 months ago
And worse is that people have been complaining about the lack of buttons and knobs for some time already.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 10 months ago
it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.
Okay, but self driving hasn’t happened yet and still faces significant problems. Removing a turn signal for this is like smoking constantly because you think cancer will be cured in the future.
Plus it breaks one of the unspoken rules of new designs. You never take away functionality, you only add it.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Man, the other day I saw an entire row of prime spots free in a packed parking lot… “electric vehicles only” parking.
So rich people parking… Cool. This feels great.
1371113@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Get a used leaf and park there.
psud@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Where I have driven the chargers are always in the furthest corner of the carpark
arc@lemm.ee 10 months ago
The new Tesla Model 3 should be banned from the whole of Europe until they put the indicator stalk back. It is virtually impossible to safely and legally traverse a roundabout without it.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
How do people indicate without it? Is the car supposed to automatically turn it on once it senses you leaving the lane?
arc@lemm.ee 10 months ago
It has little buttons on the wheel for left or right instead of a stalk. Problem is when you’re going through a roundabout you’re twirling the wheel around so it is almost impossible to to know where the wheel is at any given point in time. A stalk stays put, the buttons are anywhere depending on where the wheel is at. I think this video demonstrates it most clearly - www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBFxbKTEWu8
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 10 months ago
In the article it says they replaced it with force touch buttons but the driving instructors all found the buttons to be disorientating and dangerous on roundabouts whilst trying to turn the wheel. The stalk makes for a mich more fluid and less distracting method.
Tesla believe that no turn signals will be needed once they perfect self deiving cars (likely never…)
jasondj@ttrpg.network 10 months ago
What the fuck is the point of an indicator after you’d already started the action. That light ain’t indicating any more about the driver than the fact that they bought a Tesla, and you can’t judge the driver too much for that without knowing what year it is.
AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
When I drive roundabouts I keep my hands on the wheel in the same spots so in relation to my thumb, the turn signals are in the same spot?
I think if the wheel wasn’t a yoke shape, it’d be different because I might just put one hand on top, but in this case it works OK.
psud@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Since the yoke forces you to keep your hands on the same place relative to the button, presuming you’re keeping your hands on the wheel
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Give it another few years and I think all Teslas will use the new steer by wire in the CT and the problem will go away anyway.
kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 10 months ago
Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.
Spit my drink up a bit when I read that.
Artyom@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Meanwhile Teslas are quickly building a reputation of being impossible to repair, so replacing an industry standard component that never breaks for a digital system is a great way to keep the title.
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 10 months ago
will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.
by next year, they said for the umpteenth time this decade.
frunch@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Might as well get rid of the brake lights while they’re at it
joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 10 months ago
they are the most advanced company in cost-cutting. They will put everything in 10 sub menus on the screen instead of costly buttons. And the people are confused, they see big screen they think cool. But having metal physical buttons and crowns with haptic feedback is just on another level 🤤. Especially those crowns where theres a silent click that you feel with every turn. Feels so fricking good damn.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 10 months ago
What? Physical controls? No way.
It’ll just be a touch screen. Slide your finger from left to right to turn, slide up or down to speed up or slow down. Let go of the screen for “full self driving”.
Plopp@lemmy.world 10 months ago
No no, the steering wheel will be in the touch screen.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You can grip a lot more of it, so it would objectively be an improvement.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 10 months ago
PLEASE, give us the sounds, too! :-)
ikidd@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I didn’t realize Tesla’s even came with turn signals. They must be hard to find because they never get used.
whostosay@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I swear to god Tesla drivers are going for the worst divers award.
Just let your fucking car drive itself if you cannot.
sugarfree@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The Cybertruck definitely has them: www.youtube.com/watch?v=B75R6sN0obE
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Tesla’s even
Odd too. Or did you pluralize with an apostrophe? If it’s the latter, you’re sentenced to repeat the third grade.
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 10 months ago
Tesla fucking up traditional driving controls only make sense if their self-driving system is working so the driver has no need to touch the steering wheel except in rare case. How good is Tesla’s full self driving these days?
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
It regularly kills people. It can’t be used on a lot of road types (but people still do because Tesla makes no effort to prevent it). It’s still marketed as Full Self Driving despite the fact that Tesla has stated on the record that it is, and I quote, “Not capable of driving itself.”
They’re trying to have their cake and eat it too. Any time it benefits them, they claim that their cars are completely autonomous vehicles powered by the most advanced AI. Any time they get their wrists slapped, they claim that it’s an assistive feature like cruise control that cannot and will not ever replace the human behind the wheel.
Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 10 months ago
AA5B@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Even if it were ready, what proportion of buyers spend the extra $11k to get self-driving?
psud@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tesla say it crashes enough to deploy an airbag about one fifth as often as human drivers (once per 3,200,000 miles versus once per 600,000)
So safer than the average driver, presumably less safe than a safe driver
Revonult@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I am more concerned about why the Witcher 3 is featured on thr car’s screen. Does it fouble as a PC?
wizzor@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Yea, fof models X and S, they have a discrete GPU and can run steam.
xkforce@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tesla has the highest accident rate of any car brand. And Tesla intends to remain number 1 in that regard
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Rapid acceleration, with your eyes pointed a center touch screen. What could go wrong?!
lemmus@lemmy.world 10 months ago
They are unsafe in every situation, not just on roundabouts.
Elderos@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Style over substance, and a ugly style at that. Of course lots of people are gonna love it and say it is the best thing ever.
Plopp@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Hey just like web and software design.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 10 months ago
lots of people are gonna love it and say it is the best thing ever.
Kind of funny reading this in a thread filled with a bunch of tripping over each other trying to show how they hate Tesla the most.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
While in the EU Teslas were already “banned”, if you want a proper cat B license, and not just a cat B(78). If you take the test in a car with automatic transmission you get a code 78 license, with which you can legally only drive automatic transmission vehicles.
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Is the EU mostly manual transmissions?
In the US, seeing a manual transmission these days is somewhat rare. I used to work at a car dealership’s service department as a valet, and most of us younger guys who’d never driven a manual before had to get someone else to drive it whenever one showed up. (That happened maybe once a month or less.)
Kanda@reddthat.com 10 months ago
Used to be, but the transition to mostly automatic is happening as we speak
systemguy_64@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m all for hating Tesla, but if your vehicle is approved for Norwegian roads, and is the correct class, it should be able to be used in the driving test. Why should it matter how you signal, as long as you do it? You could even do hand signals if you wanted. (PS learn your countries’ hand signals)
Carter@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Can we just ban them entirely? Horrible cars.
joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 10 months ago
they are the most advanced company in cost-cutting. They will put everything in 10 sub menus on the screen instead of costly buttons. And the people are confused, they see big screen they think cool. But having metal physical buttons and crowns with haptic feedback is just on another level 🤤. Especially those crowns where theres a silent click that you feel with every turn. Feels so fricking good damn.
Wahots@pawb.social 10 months ago
Yikes, that is incredibly dangerous. Hopefully, they get recalled to fix that issue. No turn signal stick is going to cause a lot of accidents if people are unfamiliar with the car or are spinning the steering wheel and pressing the wrong button (or no buttons, because it’s too difficult).
neuropean@kbin.social 10 months ago
Why is The Witcher featured on the Tesla screen?
reddig33@lemmy.world 10 months ago
But you can watch Netflix on it!
🙄
BrownianMotion@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The comment about roundabouts is the same for Australia. You wait a roundabout entrance, with your indicator telling people what you intend to do on the roundabout, and that indication stays until you are ready to leave the roundabout, which you are then required to indicate left (unless you were already indicating left!).
Having moving buttons on the steering wheel is an absolutely absurd idea. Not just for indicating, anything important (I dont mean volume control for the radio, or phone answer button) should never be on a rotating object, where it can be inaccessible or “not where it should be” in a time of need (or required).
zingo@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Does anyone remember K.I.T.T from Knight Rider in the 80’s?
Same steering wheel! Haha
RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You got games on your tesla?
rbn@feddit.ch 10 months ago
Unpopular opinion: I hate Elon Musk and basically never thought I’d consider buying a tesla. But to be fair, I did quite some research and a couple of test drives with various cars and overall the model 3 is the best deal for my requirements. Especicially, it seems to be the most energy efficient car in that size and cost range. You can drive a model 3 with around 15 kWh / 100 km even in winter on the highway where competitors range around 18-22.
Regarding the two buttons for the turn signals: yes I’d probably prefer the old-fashioned approach with a lever but the two buttons are definitely not as bad as claimed in all the articles. I got used to it pretty quickly during the test drive and also in roundabouts it is practicable even thought not the most ideal approach.
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 10 months ago
Norway, where Tesla is becoming the most popular car brand
How the fuck are Norwegians affording that
ech@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I drove an older model (I think) Tesla for the first time recently and that signal was dumb as hell. I can only imagine what fuckery’s been added since.
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Sorry if I seem normie and not Tesla-pilled…but why is someone’s Steam library on the dashboard of the thumbnail? We’re just…catching up on our backlog in the Tesla now?
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Replacing physical controls with touch buttons continues to be an incredibly dumb idea. Luckily several other manufactures who hopped on the trend are realizing it was a bad choice.
billwashere@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Is nobody gonna mention this horrible KITT steering wheel?!? That damn thing is dangerous.
TheFriar@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Yeah round wheels are not a fuckin style choice. It’s so you can grab it anywhere in any situation. This steering wheel looks fuckin deadly
helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 months ago
The funny thing is that they put it on the S/X without changing absolutely anything else, then brought out the Cybertruck with steer-by-wire (where a yoke might actually make sense) and put a squircle on it.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
They also don’t ship the the yoke by default anymore, the default is a regular round one and has been for a while.
Durandal@lemmy.today 10 months ago
Ever seen what real life F1 car steering “wheels” look like?
AtariDump@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I am a Knight Industries 2000 with a 1000 megabits of memory and a one nanosecond access time.
Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 10 months ago
It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.
If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring, assembly steps, A THOUGHT OUT PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, another BoM item to build the car/widget, and usually markings that limit its use for other functions (present and planned).
Tesla can bury controls and change interfaces as much as they like on the main touchscreen, or even add new features. It’s still trash for driver usability except when parked for all the obvious reasons, but hey they get to ‘push’ new features over cellular networks as they’re developed. Y’know, instead of selling a complete product in the first place.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 months ago
No it doesn’t. It just needs a PCB and a microcontroller connected to a CANbus. And that’s what we’ve had for decades.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Not really as far as the touch controls on the steering wheel goes. They icons are static and can’t be changed, so their functionality is kind of tied to the icon.
As for configuring additional controls for them, it’s exactly the same as if they were physical buttons, it’s all a wiring harness going to the computer either way, what that computer does with the input signal is not any less configurable for a physical button. The limiting factor is the static icon, not whether it’s touch/tactile.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
As a user experience designer, we were having this discussion 15-20 years ago.
I’m so glad everything we brought up at the time was completely ignored. Warms my heart.