Submitted 4 hours ago by Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
So, lets say we get to August or some summer month, and 4,000,000 people are protesting right out front the white house.
Do they send in the tanks? Do they kill 1,000,000 people? Would republican civilians see empathy for the dead americans who were democrats? Or would it unite the nation like 9/11 did, except this time against the government?
Everybody keeps expecting civil war when what we’re likely going to get is akin to “the troubles” of Northern Ireland. Prolonged, indefinite, bloody, insurgency. Bombings. Assassinations. More heavyhanded fascist paramilitary actions. Blood and chaos.
I agree. To have civil war you need multiple opposing armed forces of somewhat similar military strength. I don’t really see that happening because of the purges of military leadership but an insurgency is very possible.
At the end of the day, the die hard MAGA folks are a quarter of the country. The stuff they’re doing is wildly unpopular. At some point you have to fight for democracy. It is worth dying for. It is worth killing for. If we have to go through a troubles, so be it. Frankly, this probably isn’t going to end until we start seeing a whole lot of dead Evangelical Christians. The Christian nationalists are so used to being able to violently oppress and persecute everyone else. They don’t realize that their own lives and freedoms can be just as easily destroyed.
We already are in a civil war. One portion of the population has declared war on everyone else, hell bent on forcing their evil beliefs on everyone else. They do so in the confidence that they themselves will never face persecution, the loss of their rights, or a threat of violence. White Evangelical Christians are way too fucking comfortable.
Honestly, a troubles might be the best thing to knock some sense into these fuckers. Once the retaliatory killings start and their churches start getting torched, maybe it will finally get through their thick skulls that if you want to live in a democracy, you have to be willing to respect other people’s choices and let them live their own fucking lives.
The troubles ended because both sides felt threatened. No one felt safe. This encouraged everyone to come to the table. Right now one side feels invincible. They believe they can act with complete impunity against the rest of the population. So far, we’re all just holding our punches and trying not to escalate things, but these fuckers just keep pushing. Something will have to give.
Mutual bloody violence is a superior option to one-sided bloody violence, which is the situation we have now.
Incredibly fucked up to think there’s any upside to the troubles. Typical clueless yank energy.
America bombed its own city 40’ish years ago, and the entire country just moved on without a care. And about 60 years before that, almost forty city blocks were razed to the ground because the inhabitants were black.
Yes, they 100% could risk it. America is an extremely propagandized country, with patriotism on the right reaching jingoistic levels.
Do they send in the tanks?
You don’t use tanks in a city. You use machine guns.
Do they kill 1,000,000 people?
If they can, probably
Would republican civilians see empathy for the dead americans who were democrats?
Ask yourself how many people in the US showed empathy for the Gazans.
Or would it unite the nation like 9/11 did, except this time against the government?
Lol no, the US is a terminally propagandised country. Iraq has WMDs, Venezuela has drugs, free healthcare is bad somehow, Israel is not genociding the Palestinians, etc. etc.
“Would republican civilians see empathy for the dead americans who were democrats?”
You mean a couple hundred paid agitators that were bussed up from asylums in south America?
Because that’s the story your average republican voters would believe. I know it’s a bit hyperbolic but some of the shit I’ve heard them say about Mrs Good, and in general about the current protests leads me to feel that there is no limit to the lies an average republican voter is willing to suck down.
They can’t risk it. Too many people could record it so they couldn’t control the narrative.
Too many people recorded the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti for them to control the narrative, but all that happened was that one guy got demoted.
It is building political pressure against them, they’re very clearly uncomfy within the administration. It may not directly fix all our fucked up shit but the admin blinked for the first time this cycle when it was looking increasingly likely that they had no limit and we were headed straight for a police state
It’s not over yet. I choose to believe this is the turning point.
Do you think they care? Dude they’re shooting unarmed women in the face in broad daylight in front of thousands of witnesses and on video.
And just imagine, the heartless coward that did it isn’t facing charges and gets to lie down in his own bed every night and walk up the next day.
Yep
No consequences so far
Civil wars have started over less than this
IIRC they moved Ross out of state. So yes, he’s not in jail but he’s not exactly lounging at home either.
Based on the reaction to all of this, it’s kinda clear they do not give a shit. So we’ll see how the all plays out.
Kent State says yes
It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve bombed Americans in the US.
False flag incoming
The other night, I was eating lunch at my desk, in our small open office. The IT guy and one of the robot techs were debating whether the summary execution of Alex Pretti was justified. IT guy believes the government’s version of events, suggesting that Alex brandished his firearm (which is patently false). They openly support the state’s murder, and further, encourage it. It might be a bit difficult to get them to go along with a massacre, but they’ve already been walked through 2 murders, and are primed for more.
Would something like this ever happen? Hope not. But if it does, god help us all.
I don’t think IT guy, or at least the equivalent people in my life, would be supportive to the point that they would actively involve themselves in a shooting war in support of Trump, which is what this hypothetical scenario would turn into.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned about conservatives it’s that they will start to pay attention once something impacts them personally. They are fine with the lies when it’s about some abstract person some other place but when it involves someone they know or happens in their town they will change their tune quickly. Of course not all of them but enough to matter. These kinds of people prioritize familiarity and perceived stability over just about anything else. As long as things are stable enough that they can maintain most of their routines they won’t think too deeply about anything. This kind of event, and the ensuing chaos, would force them to take a deeper look at things in a way that they’re currently too comfortable to be forced to confront.
Don’t confuse United States with Trump. Trump would risk it
Like it or not, the distinction is meaningless to people outside of the US
People have been calling U.S Americans dumb cunts for decades, Trump is the embodiment of the U.S.A as viewed by outsiders.
Trump wanted to literally bomb protestors last term. There is some report on a call where he wanted to do it. Just drop a missile on them.
Yes. Yes they would. Only it would be different as they’d need to have thousands of babies and kittens to fill up the empty spaces before they crushed them to death, as trump’s pathetic little ego can’t fathom 2nd place.
What deplorable acts China did would be dwarfed by this fascist if given the chance. And I guarantee you that he wants that chance.
The United States? No.
The American Nazi Party? Without a doubt.
Look into the tlateloco massacre
If you have that many people they can just knock them out. This is what should have happened a year ago.
The orange regime kinda tried to do that in the first stint, and I would not be super shocked if they tried and actually did something like that nowadays. But it would also probably trigger widespread riots, if not outright rebellion in a lot of places.
Do they send in the tanks?
They don’t need to. The situation is so fundamentally different.
(Not saying that they wouldn’t, because lunatics everywhere)
It’s honestly hard to say.
Doing it today? Probably no. Communication isn’t nearly as censored as it was in 1989 China.
However there’s 2 possible ways I could see a “yes”.
Probably. Worked out “great” for The Chinese Empire.
BillyClark@piefed.social 46 minutes ago
I’m still surprised that all of the January 6 insurrectionists could just storm the capitol building without being shot. They were breaking into the main building that had all of our lawmakers in it at the time, and only one of those morons was shot. Only the stupidest one. The queen of morons.
And did you notice what happened after that idiot was shot and killed? Nobody else tried to go through that window.