If vaccines were given in Pop-Tart form there wouldn’t be an antivax movement.
Chasing the Elephant
Submitted 2 weeks ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
They used to do sugar cubes saturated with vaccine for polio, we should go back to that. I know there are reasons they stopped using it, but Americans are definitely more likely to eat sugar than get vaccinated, so let’s just call it a wash in terms of health risks.
Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
There’s this reminded of a bit by Ari Matti where he goes “you people put sugar on your medicine. You know the rest of the world doesn’t do that?”
Maybe vaccines laced with sugar is the answer America needs.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Go on…
tdawg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just deep fry them and hand them out at a fair. American’s will kill each other for some
YoiksAndAway@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
“How can we let the reader know that the elephant in the room has autism?”
“Well, how about if we have it wear a button that says, ‘I have autism”, you know, like people with autism do?”
“Brilliant! And how do we let the reader know that the autism is from vaccinations?”
“Easy! We just show a bunch of hypodermic syringes sticking out of it, like all of those vaccine-loving cuck doctors just stabbed it and left them there.”
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
you are overestimating the amount of humans involved in the creation of this image
And009@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Ai is dumb humans, averaged.
blackjam_alex@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m starting to think that a good portion of the antivaxx people are just afraid of needles.
Devial@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
A lot of them been so indoctrinated into mistrusting authorities and instutions, that they basically disbelieve anything they say on principle.
And al the evidence, all the scientists telling them they’re wrong just ends up reinforcing their belief in some giant conspiracy.
It’s sadly been shown in more than one study that changing the mind of conspiracy theorists with reason, argumens or evidence is basically impossible. It’s almost a self preservation instict against cognitive dissonance. They were so sure they were right, and now so one is telling them they’re not. That feels shit, and it feels shit to accept you were wrong about something you so fervently insisted was true. So their brains basically go into self defense mode, and just reject anything that threatens the shaky fundamentals of their entire belief system. The best thing you can attmept to do is to distract them. Get them to talk and think about other things. When they mention the conspiracy, don’t engage, don’t argue how they’re wrong, they’ll just dig their heels in deeper, just change the topic to something else. Force them to spend less time in their delusions. Eventually, if you’re lucky, they might gain enough distance to the topic, and stop caring about it enough that they’re ready to start accepting how batshit insane those conspiracies are.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Also, for many of these people, do not underestimate the underlying religous issue. In the case of vaccines, its becomes some sort of “mark of the beast” nonsense. See also the dumb “microchips in the vaccines” stupidity.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
It is called “dismantling the foundation” and is first step in creating an army of human robots.
If you are able to change people to believe based on emotions rather than logic, you have a tool to change beliefs at your will. Because emotions can be controlled, pure logic can not.
And all this works, because thinking logically takes more power than thinking emotionally, and many people never start to do harden their foundation by logically test it regularly but just accept it as given to them, making it more easy to dismantle this foundation by pointing out things that seem fishy on first thought.
Then the foundation is rebuilt and hardened by repeating and repeating, until it is hard enough to withstand logic.
Society works like that, it works because we have shared foundations, and the more the foundations drift apart in a community the more conflict appear
Therefore, it is critical for a society to keep foundation in sync. This is why a working society needs spirituality, culture, rituals. For many communities, this is achieved through religion.
Sadly, most religions are designed so that you have masters deciding on how this foundation should look like, rather than have it evolve democratically.
I experienced a community design based democratic values while I was in boyscout (which is gendermixed in my country). There we had rituals, cultures and even spirituality. But we as well were teached that while rituals and rules are important, it is very important to still go with the flow of time and make it possible to adjust them. They don’t work well, if they are forced upon next generation the way the oldies did, what is important is, that the older generation can teach the next generation the why, not the how.
Knowing the why makes it possible for the next generation to adjust the how to work in the new times to still achieve the why.That is my problem I have with religion, they mostly teach the how but not the why, or better said replace the why with some good/bad shit like hell and heaven, while people should just learn that we all profit if we care for each other, if we talk to each other, if we mention different opinions, if we try to understand other opinions rather than protecting our own without questioning.
😊🙏🏻
I wish humanity had more spirituality just because it is nice, because some fantasy god demands it.
Haha
Damn got that far
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Former anti-vaxxer here, I personally did. I looked for any excuse to avoid that goddamn needle. Long story short: I have pain hypersensitivity, so it hurts a lot more, not to mention I met a lot of doctors who did it in a really clumsy way in my life.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m getting a little worried they’re not even doing they’re own research, at all!
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
I’m worried that they do.
bappity@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i dont know how but it just FEELS like AI generated
KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
it’s the faces, the character shapes, but really that yellow hue across the image. Perhaps someone with some color theory knowledge could explain why ChatGPT generates images like that.
dontsayaword@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I read that it’s due to model collapse - the AIs are now trained on their own AI-generated content, like all the auto generated ghibli-style images.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Not necessarily color theory, but archived comics from the 1970s and prior tend to be yellowed due to time in their original prints (which were then scanned). It could also be the colors available to print artists at the time which were more muted compared to today.
Zink@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I wonder if it’s a white balance thing, as in the setting you’d see on a camera or in a post processing tool.
For instance, consider that “soft” or “warm” light bulbs (say 3000K and below) are common in cozy indoor areas. They cast a much more yellow color of light compared with a daylight bulb or actual daylight, which will look very blue in comparison.
It’s like the model detected that the image was people in a living room and it applied a warm white balance to the whole picture because most images of a family in the living room have warm lighting globally.
But since it is a machine and apparently has not yet been explicitly taught that comics generally have bright colors and no strange tints, then it does not adjust accordingly.
I wonder if that is even giving it too much credit. Maybe it’s just the deterioration from all the iterations of garbage in, garbage out.
my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
For me it’s the scale and perspective that stood out first. Both people are the same size on-screen but the one on the right is also supposed to be closer so they’re actually huge, but they also have a tiny chair. Both chairs are also pointed away from the TV which is as big as a person, but they’re also somehow not facing each other so the closer person still has to turn around.
It just feels very strange as someone with first-hand experience of 3d space.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Basically AI is started to poison itself, and AI has no concept of color grading, so errors are adding up. I don’t know if GLAZE and other poisoning methods made the matters worse, but wouldn’t be surprised.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
What your world isn’t piss coloured? How boring.
wieson@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Afaik imgen ai starts with a salt and pepper noise image (randomised grey values, or maybe even randomised colour values). It then pushes and pulls the image in the direction of its learned nodes and weights.
So typically an imgen ai will generate images with a very even distribution of value (light and dark). It will have difficulty generating a picture like a Rembrandt painting with high light/dark contrasts. It probably can’t generate pictures with a lot of dark and one small bright spot. At least not out of the box.
Bonus@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
There’s definitely a sepia tone on most of it. Weird. Why would they go with a red flag so frequently?
m532@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
I heard its a watermark.
ameancow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Someday artists are going to struggle to replicate this “look” in order to make memes and jokes.
On the sides of our cave walls.
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
There really is a style to it.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
thatspartofthejoke.jpg
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m the same, I know it’s AI, but the only thing I can point to is the yellow staining. It’s just a vibe thing.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Piss filter.
halvar@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
is that elephant supposed to be a… Republican?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
“The elephant in the room”
IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Makes sense. Full of pricks.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I cannot work out why it’s an elephant. Probably because that’s just whatever the AI came up with and for some reason they just pick the first result
TeddE@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or because the idiom “the elephant in the room” is being depicted literally (insinuating their medicated autistic child is ‘an unfortunate unwanted fact’ - which I personally feel is derogatory to the child)
Devial@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
To quote Hbomberguy:
“The anti vaccine movement had next to no evidence [27] years ago, and they have even less today”
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Everything about the picture passes the sniff test, except the vibe. I think it’s slop.
DonGirses@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
y’know, except for the whole piss filter and non-existent typeface
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
People looking in random directions and the overall super generic style gives it away as well.
Thatuserguy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh it’s slop alright, no AI needed
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
First, that is not your child. It is a fucking elephant.
Second, I don’t care if the elephant says it has a high tolerance. You don’t shoot up anything with this much smack.
Third, labeling this poor junkie elephant as an aspie is just cruel and unusual.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
First, that is not your child. It is a fucking elephant.
Finally someone addresses the elephant in the room!
tempest@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
You know it’s a good comic when they have to explain it with the I have autism pin.
oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
hbomberguy has a really great video about vaccines and autism, and how even their original correlation was incredibly weak
chgxvjh@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
And the guy who promoted the study did it to sell his separate vaccines instead of the combined vaccines they give children.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Actually no. Pollution has been identified as a potential cause. Why don’t you do something about that?
_stranger_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the problem falls under the purview of one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, the facists in charge are for it. If it doesn’t, the fascist are keeping it that way on purpose.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
I am.pretty sure the only “cause” is that society has become more open and accepting in general so people who have these various “new issues” that idiots like to boogeyman over are just, not supressing themselves as much or you know, suiciding over society treating them like shit as much.
apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
No no. Its carbon emissions that are making people autistic. Carbon emissions and meat consumption
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Woooosh, I guess…
TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If your elephant needs pain relief, make sure to administer Tylenol orally.
KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
*watch my bitch wife with TV
Jerkface@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Bah, I’ve already seen this one.”
peacepath@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
May be autism is caused by scientific medecine, and we would better trust scammers instead?
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
I just want to know how to ensure I can get the good at math autism so I can get finance bro paychecks.
peacepath@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So you should get vaccinated and take some parcetamol while sick (but not too much)… and maybe, if there is an other life, who knows, you may be autistic in next life!
If you want high wages in this life, the easiest is to be born in a rich family, and that would make you happy. Else, you may still try to become a philosopher ; it won’t make you rich, but it could be good for your mind…
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Now I want a big button pin that says “I have alcoholism”
Salah@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
The elephant is so cute though
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I didnt vaccinate guys.
Downvote all you want. You need a common enemy here, so I can be that for you. :)
_stranger_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How autistic do you feel you aren’t?
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Im not at all autistic… :)
Is it because Im sticking my neck out on Lemmy you think so?
xep@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Did you catch Covid? How bad was it, if you did?
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Yeah I did. I had a pretty strong flu, but felt the same as other years flu. I was in bed for maybe 4 days feeling awful. Then it was over.
But one thing ive noticed after covid is that colds seems to take a lot longer for the body to fight. Its like they are taking place in slow motion. I can have a week of feeling like im getting a cold before I actually get one now. Do you have that?
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🆗🆒
Denjin@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Slop
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Well yes, it’s antivax slop and an anti-antivax comment pointing out how ridiculous it is
TheBat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Aka sane.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
you don’t say…
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Bravest slop identifier