Too soon?

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• Etterra@discuss.online ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Never too soon. Enjoy the consequences of your actions in Hell, bub.

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s people like Charlie that make me wish Hell existed.

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• miked@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I was getting my haircut and FOX was on the TV when I found out he died from the shooting. Barbershop is Vietnamese owned and the barber was busy on his phone when I get there. I've been there many times without FOX on the TV and hope they just put a random news channel on.

  Fox was showing the reaction from various congress-critters and they got to AOC. AOC's message was this another example of we we need some gun control in a much better way than I am relaying. When FOX went back to the host he immediately said she was wrong. HIPAA laws should be relaxed so problematic people could be found before they commit crimes.

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  • MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We shouldn’t use people’s medical records to Minority Report them

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• But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  First I heard he was shot and assumed not bad, found the video and… he was dead before be hit the ground

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  • EmilieEasie@lemmynsfw.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I thought oh, maybe he might pull through (one of those things! Some kind of evil miracle!) since they haven’t announced his death even a couple of hours later, but then someone said the hospital often won’t publicly confirm death until all next of kin are notified, and then that made a lot more sense

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• Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is possible to be empathetic about the manner of his death and the suffering it has caused while still being happy he is gone.

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  • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    possible to be empathetic about the manner of his death and the suffering

    What would that the serve? Seems like a waste of emotion.

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  • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Eh, I’ve nearly died from blood loss. He didn’t suffer much, was probably unconscious within the second with where he got hit. Maybe barely enough time to register some pain but not for long.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But you wouldn’t know it from about 95% of the comments on Lemmy.

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• Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nah, this is the right time

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• 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Too late.

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• lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What was the saying with the good guy with a gun again?

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• outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A 9/11’s eve miracle!

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• surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.

  He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.

  That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.

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  • luyapapi@social.friendcraft.club ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    @surph_ninja @jballs How exactly did Charlie Kirk "terrorize" anyone? It was just words, dude! Dramatic much? Charlie Kirk engaged in dialogue. He welcomed conversation, even when he disagreed. He was killed because he called out the lunacy of our culture.

    I feel like I am living in the story of The Emperors New Clothes and the people who actually call out the stupidity are being made fun of...and killed now. You need to get a grip on reality.

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    • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He created a literal hitlist of professors, and convinced people that violence against trans people was a moral imperative.

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  • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    materially supporting state violence

    Dingdingdingdingding.

    Here’s the winner, right here. Fascist fucks want to go around pretending that only billy clubs and bullets and bombs count as “violence.” Inflicting mass starvation on people, withholding medical care, stealing workers’ wages they depend upon to survive, and brutalizing minorities and marginalized groups (oftentimes with actual up front physical attacks) is “just doing business.”

    So news flash to the chucklefucks: That’s not how it works. State sponsored violence is still violence, and so it follows the oppressed have a right to defend themselves. It sure sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, don’t it?

    But it turns out there’s an easy way to defend yourself from that sort of thing. All you have to do is not be a hateful fuck whose policies and actions threaten the lives of others, nor their right to exist.

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  • khaleer@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s bad to kill for political beliefs only if a fascist dies. Otherwise nobody will even know about anything.

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  • halfeatenpotato@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well said. Claiming he simply died for his political beliefs is highly reductive and disingenuous.

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  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.

    What you’re doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that’s the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What’s there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you’re saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they’ll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.

    The things that authoritarians don’t understand is that when principles aren’t applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.

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    • Geldaran@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I agree with you in principle. It sucks a well-worded dissenting opinion is getting downvoted to oblivion. I’m not an advocate for political killings. But I want to pose a counter question… When does it become acceptable to cross this line? When can an otherwise reasonable person give up on a broken system, and go from political resistance to violent resistance? Because for a lot of people, their rights, their lives, and their futures are under attack. Both politically AND with the full force of the government.

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    • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Again, he was far beyond “political disagreement.” He was promoting actual, race-targeted violence domestically and internationally. If you’re going to be a Nazi terrorizing your community, you’re going to be a target for retaliation.

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    • TomArrr@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s a conundrum. But remember, this guy said It’s fine for some to die from guns. So I sure as hell ain’t wasting a caring thought on him.

      medium.com/…/the-paradox-of-tolerance-or-how-sile…

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  • bunchberry@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It comes across to me as they simply lack empathy for other “kinds” of people. If you actually felt the same pain and empathy when watching the video of Kirk get merked, you should feel that a thousand times over when seeing a thousand videos of the IOF massacring children, many sniped in the same way Kirk got merked, and then you should look upon Kirk in disgust for supporting that and dehumanizing the Palestinian people. But the fact is these people don’t. They don’t see other “kinds” of people different from them as in fact “people.” Let’s be real, they don’t feel the same kind of empathy for Palestinian fathers dying as they do a white fascist dying. They constantly mock the deaths of minority groups like trans people. They suddenly have empathy and demand pacifism and valuing the sanctity of all life when a white fascist dies, but are silent in every other cas.e

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  • deaf_fish@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There was a way around this that would have resulted in no deaths. Trump should been prosecuted for the January 6th insurrection. Then we should have put a bunch of fascists in jail for a long time. Then we should have de-platformed grifters.

    But none of that happens so. We get what we get.

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    • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We’re never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either. They’re two sides of the same coin.

      If we want the law to mean anything, and we want it used to hold people accountable, over 90% of sitting congresspeople and senators can now be prosecuted for aiding genocide, which they did in violation of domestic & international laws. That would certainly set a tone and precedent for the future.

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  • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you’re part of a movement that’s taking vaccines away from babies, well, you’re evil and people are going to respond to that.

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  • m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    His family shouldn’t expect empathy, and he wouldn’t want his death to distract from full Epstein file disclosure.

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    • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Assuming his kids are young enough, I’d feel bad for them. They probably don’t understand well enough.

      His wife though I don’t care for at all, and will likely use his death for profit and to make her kids extremists. One can only hope they question why their father was hated enough to be killed while most people everyday aren’t.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Charlie Kirk wouldn’t have wanted you to feel any empathy for him or his family.

      “I can’t stand the word empathy actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics”

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    • kreskin@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I expect the NRA will stage a gunshow at a nearby site someplace in the next few days, right? Its what they do for school shootings and this was at a school. So Kirk’s fam can stock up on cheap ammo.

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  • Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Seriously, he’s words and actions have probably resulted in the deaths of others, why shouldn’t he have gotten this outcome?

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    • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The Republicans’ rubber stamp, and lack of a competent opposition, is proving to be an absolute nightmare for the party. They’re getting away with everything they ever wanted, and people are seeing the immediate consequences play out. When your policies start killing people, people literally fight back. You’ve given people nothing to lose, and this population is armed to the teeth. What did they think was going to happen?

      You can’t declare war on a population, and then expect to walk freely in the open air among that population.

      The Republicans getting everything they ever wanted will be what caused the party’s destruction. The Democrats helping them do it will destroy them, too.

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• dumbass@leminal.space ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Reality is healing.

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• LiveLM@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Live by the sword…

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  • bytesonbike@discuss.online ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This numbnuts literally begged for it.

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• BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn’t they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It’s TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!

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  • bytesonbike@discuss.online ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There was a school shooting today in Colorado. Dead kids.

    And yet the top news is this dude.

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    • RagingRobot@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That happens all the time it’s not news.

      Someone getting the justice they deserve? That’s news!

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  • AndiHutch@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I like them anyway, but your comments never fail at being slightly annoying. I know it’s parody of trump and his type of posts, but it’s just a little too on the nose and the intermittent all caps words gets on my nerves. 10/10 Boomerposting

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• OccamsRazer@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You don’t have to like him, but jeez people in here are messed up. I’m a little surprised that so many people are celebrating an ideological assassination. Democracy literally cannot survive if opinions are punishable by death, and that alone should be soundly condemned.

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  • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What makes you think the USA is democratic?

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  • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Democracy literally cannot survive if opinions are punishable by death, and that alone should be soundly condemned.

    Democracy got deported.

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  • morphballganon@mtgzone.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you want to talk about democracy surviving, step one is removal of anyone trying to dismantle democracy.

    Whether that’s removal by death, imprisonment or exile is immaterial.

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    • OccamsRazer@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The law protects free speech, which is the cornerstone of democracy. Answering free speech with violence is the opposite of democracy. Any society based on our allowing murdering people that you disagree with is doomed to fail.

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  • RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Shhhh.

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• Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wikipedia editors already 'was’ed all his 'is’s 😂

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  • SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pretty sure Wikipedia has a single button that changes all present tense to past sense. Someone who’s more familiar with it correct me if I’m wrong though.

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    • Crashumbc@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wouldn’t be surprised

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    • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have no idea but I like to imagine hundreds of editors rushing out every time there’s a prominent death to be the first to change it.

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• joan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hi guys! Just because he was an awful person doesn’t mean he deserves to die. I am actually horrified by how many people are condoning this, especially when this man has a family and a wife and it’s not even like trump when it would have actually done anything for our country. all this has done has made a gigantic fuss and give fox news rage bait.

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  • Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the same man who said gun deaths are necessary for freedom. Who was shot immediately after exaggerating trans gun violence and downplaying the rest of the gun violence. He reaped what he sowed. His death is directly caused by policies he advocated for. I would of course be elated if we did not have these problems in the first place, but if someone is going to die because of this shit, I’m glad it’s one of them actively making it worse.

    Charlie Kirk himself wouldn’t have wanted it any other way. He’s quoted saying that empathy is made up and is dangerous. He didn’t want my empathy and he certainly didn’t fucking earn it.

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  • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    His wife and kid(s) were apparently in the audience, this was probably very scaring for the kids if they saw it.

    Anyways crazy you’re at negative votes, not very ethical of the downvoters

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    • HikingVet@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Don’t live a life where you call people subhuman and you won’t be treated like this when you get murdered.

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  • morphballganon@mtgzone.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you truly believe that, step 1 is to write your lawmakers and urge them to abolish the death penalty. Step 2 is to urge law enforcement to give up their guns. Step 3 is to convince every standing military on Earth to stand down and disband.

    If you refuse to even try to do the above, then clearly you don’t believe what you’re saying here.

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  • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, he actually, absolutely, objectively did deserve to die. Maybe not by vigilante justice, but he absolutely deserved to be in the ground. The world is a better place without him in it.

    Have you forgotten your history? We hanged people at Nuremberg for doing exactly what Kirk made his whole career doing. We hanged people at Nuremberg for crimes against humanity who did what Kirk did. We hanged Nazi propagandists who spent years inciting hate against the Jewish population. Kirk was absolutely guilty of incitement to genocide. He was responsible for countless deaths. He made his whole career trying to incite violence and hate against innocent people.

    In a just world he would hang for his crimes. But we don’t live in a just world. The closest we get to justice is vigilante justice.

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    • joan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This man wasn’t Hitler. This man was an annoying loudmouth who at the end of the day has a wife and kids he comes home to. He did not deserve this; this will only divide us more and contribute to the cycle of violence.

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  • AndiHutch@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    TIL Fox news trolls lemmy to look for rage bait. /s

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• Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My graph has chickens and roost but yeah

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• 58008@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn’t been there (which they were) they’d undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That’s a hell of a way to lose a parent.

  The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence… it’s a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they’ll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn’t go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I’m sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they’re all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.

  Source: History, memory…

  P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend 👀

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• HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  tee hee

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• Derpenheim@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Rest in piss, cunt

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• Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not too soon. Just in the neck of time.

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• nozone@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I wonder if the right wing “think” tanks who fund TPUSA are going to try to find a new grifter to run the show or let it die with Kirk and start a new thing.

  theguardian.com/…/turning-point-rightwing-youth-g…

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• inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hey, guy lived up to his lofty ideals. Can’t fault him for that

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• eigenraum@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  „Deus vult“

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• uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not soon enough.

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• Kraiden@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thoughts and prayers, bitch

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• Silic0n_Alph4@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Oh dear! Thoughts and prayers 🙏

  If only there’d been a bad guy with a gun around to stop this.

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• peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  He literally got what he asked for. You would hope it might give some of the other hate peddlers pause…but I doubt it.

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• hardcoreufo@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nah empathy is for the weak.

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• deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “No Way to Stop This Happening” Says Only Country Where This Regularly Happens.

  America’s Finest News Source

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• thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not fast enough in my opinion. Dude was a piece of shit and died for what believed in. Fuck him.

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