surph_ninja

Exactly. Who gives a shit?

I mean… I could recite the exact setup of mine in detail, but I’d probably be happier if my brain matter was dedicated to something else. Do not shame the ignorant. Envy them.

Damn. They’re really ripping the copper wiring out of the walls.

You’re having trouble sticking to a lane. Is it ‘there are no issues’ or ‘the issues are known’?

These known issues are not a problem for hydrogen.

youtu.be/tzrUkgbVoro?si=egSXiCGrze6lZWIt

nytimes.com/…/tesla-charging-chicago-cold-weather…

npr.org/…/teslas-chicago-charging-extreme-cold

Guess all of these people are in on the conspiracy?

Well we just had snow sweep across the eastern US last week, nowhere near as cold as Norway, and just that was enough to brick the cars and freeze up the charging stations to the point of barely working. So let us know where you all are getting these magic batteries.

We also had EV’s catching fire in the southern US throughout the summer. Not sure why the anti-hydrogen crowd is dead set on us forcing EV’s into these environments where it’s problematic.

When did I claim they’d work without a starter? You claimed the EV’s work in extreme cold… by heating them up. So they don’t work in extreme cold, which is exactly why they must be heated up.

We’re not talking about global averages of EV batteries catching fire. We’re talking about the increased risk of them doing so in extreme heat. Since we’re in the middle of climate collapse, and greenhouse gases are continuing to accumulate, more and more areas will be experiencing extreme heat.

I’m not saying there’s no place for EV’s in cleaning up our planet. But demanding we commit to only EV’s, and just ignore the areas of the planet they can’t perform in, is absolutely asinine. Especially when we have the hydrogen tech ready to roll out.

Why would they need to be scaled? Hydrogen is abundant in most corners of the globe. It can be farmed on site, as needed.

Then don’t heat up the battery, and see if it runs. Won’t work, because EV’s have to heat up the battery to get it working, because they don’t function in extreme cold.

And while we’re at it, what’s the workaround for the batteries catching fire and exploding in the extreme heat of summer? We need to implement some cooling pumps while we’re at it?

Or just skip all of the complexity, and use abundant & clean hydrogen.

Read over what you just wrote, and think about it for a second. If they have to be heated up to function, it supports my assertion that they do not function in extreme cold.

That 12% is not insignificant, and that’s just for the piece to keep the battery at operating temperature. The battery’s capacity and performance will also be severely impacted on top of that, even with it warmed up. These inefficiencies and workarounds add up to the point that they eclipse the inefficiencies in hydrogen production, as the hydrogen is not impacted by any such issues at the point of use.

That’s what I thought. Not an issue with hydrogen.

If we’re going to be discussing battery vs hydrogen efficiency, we need to be honest about how it performs in real-life scenarios like this. Only discussing EV performance in ideal conditions is providing nowhere near the full picture.

So what’s the secret sauce? What profound technological steps forward have they made?

Or are they just heating up the battery, and eating further into the already severely impacted battery life?

Yeah, most of what I’ve seen is just heating the battery. Which is also dramatically reducing the efficiency.

“EV’s are above 70% efficient in the real world btw.”

Meaning ‘in ideal conditions.’ As climate collapse progresses, the areas of the planet experiencing ideal conditions will narrow further and further. I guess fuck everyone living in those parts of the planet, huh?

What you’re not grasping is how clean and abundant hydrogen is. Illustrated by your emphasis on transportation. In most scenarios, it won’t be traveling far at all, if it’s not farmed on site. No transportation needed. Pair its abundance with lack of harmful emissions, and it’s absolutely worth any loss inefficiency.

And those inefficiencies are already being addressed. We have a number of projects already producing working proof of concepts that are ready to be scaled up for further testing and refinement. Advancements aren’t assumed in hydrogen- they’re already happening.

What about battery advancements? I keep hearing that we just need a leap forward in battery tech, and everything will be great, but no one’s been able to actually produce this promised technological leap. Seeing a lot of the same promises and red flags that come out of the ‘fusion is almost here’ crowd.

It’s not impossible to produce hydrogen in an environmentally friendly way. We just need to further increase efficiency, and move the energy source to renewables and nuclear to power the electrolysis. The EV charging stations have the same issue, often being powered fossil fuel plants.

But it is impossible to manufacture EV batteries in an environmentally friendly way. We’re just expected to accept it.

Plus the performance of EV’s vs hydrogen always uses data gathered in ideal conditions, but hydrogen is leaps and bounds more efficient in extreme weather. We need to be highlighting that, as climate change begins to make extreme conditions the norm and ideal conditions disappear.

It’s not just what I’ve been told. I’ve personally experienced the issues, as have thousands of others dealing with EV extreme cold problems the past couple of weeks in the eastern US.

scientificamerican.com/…/electric-vehicles-arent-…

If anyone has any further info, I’d love to find out what Norway could possibly be doing to address a fundamental issue with the technology.

Can someone tell me how? EV’s perform terribly in extreme cold. If the car starts at all, the battery life absolutely tanks. We’ve had entire charging stations unable to function through the past couple weeks, as temperatures plummeted in many states.

We really need to be pushing for hydrogen cars. EV’s simply can’t perform in extreme cold, and the batteries explode or catch fire in extreme heat. That’s not the tech we should be investing in to carry us through the extreme temperatures we’re experiencing during climate catastrophe.