Gorilladrums
@Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
- Comment on YSK that a general strike is one of the most effective ways to push for change. There is a general strike in the works across the US for this Friday. 12 minutes ago:
Except for this whole part
If you actually took the time to read my comment, you would’ve understood the context right away. I was very clearly talking from the perspective of the general public. Go to your average American, not even, go to your average politically active young left wing American and ask them about the ICE out strike, and I guarantee you that they wouldn’t know a damn thing about it. Ask them if they knew if the strike was even a thing, ask them if they knew the leaders, ask them if they knew the goals, ask them if they knew how they could get involved in the organization efforts, ask them if they knew what organizations sponsored the event, ask them literally anything about it, would they know any of it? The answer is a resounding no.
You can sit here and try to double, triple, and quadruple down on me being wrong here, but again, the results speak for themselves. You’re literally arguing against reality here. Actually now that I think about it, what in the fuck are you even arguing for? At least I’m providing criticism for improvement. I’m seeing something that’s clearly not working, and I’m providing what I think would produce better results. What are you doing? You’re trying to shut down my criticism without a second thought, actually no, without ANY thought. You’re going out of your way to defend an event that was objectively a failure. What for? This is precisely the time for internal discussion and criticisms, because that’s how movements grow… and you’re saying my criticisms carry water for fascists? Man, shut the hell up. You’re literally standing in the way of progress. If you’re not actually planning to help refine or expand the efforts here then just get out of the way.
Look, I gave it a pass with your snarky restatements. But this is just gaslighting.
You know it’s ironic because you’ve been providing nothing but snarky statements
Good. Hopefully you’re not busy being snide and gaslighting with them.
Do you seriously not see the irony here?
- Comment on YSK that a general strike is one of the most effective ways to push for change. There is a general strike in the works across the US for this Friday. 1 day ago:
I’m not wrong, the results speak for themselves. Are you going to honestly sit and here and actually argue that this was a great success? It’s disingenuous. There was no impact whatsoever.
And repeating this the futility of it all is exactly how you support the current tyranny facing us.
No, you’re supporting this fascist administration by naively and arrogantly doubling down on something that’s clearly not working. We’re not going for participation awards here. We want real, tangible results. The reality is that this sort of shit is just performative and it does nothing as you clearly see, but it doesn’t have to be like this. These efforts could be so much more effective if they worked to apply pressure locally first before attempting to go nationwide.
You seem so frustrated that people are patting themselves on the back for sharing jpegs, yet you sit here doing significantly less than the bare minimum. You are working against it.
Quite the assumption, wouldn’t you say? I wouldn’t waste my time arguing with you if I didn’t believe in what I said. I’m actually active in my the efforts of my local community, which is why I can see things clear as day. Democratic movements have to be built from the bottom up to produce real change. A simple 1 day strike from any profession, like teachers or nurses, in a single city like Boston would have more impact both in the short and long term than faux “national” strikes like this. Why? Because that concentrated pressure will actually cause the people to notice and the people in power to panic. That’s real pressure.
- Comment on TikTok uninstalls are up 150% following U.S. joint venture 2 days ago:
Did YOU read what you said?
Your entire spiel from before was literally nothing more than a collection of fallacies. You used a false equivalence by comparing worst case domestic repression (death squads) to foreign data misuse, which are fundamentally different types of risk and not logically comparable. It engages in whataboutism by deflecting concerns about China’s data access with references to American authoritarian threats, which doesn’t actually refute the original concern. The argument also builds a straw man by reducing all China related security worries to racist “Yellow Peril” panic, ignoring more nuanced, non racial critiques about state power and influence. Finally, it also leans on appeals to extreme outcomes and fear, invoking Nazis and executions to shut down debate rather than assess proportional, evidence based risks. Together, these fallacies prove two things: 1) You’re engaging in bad faith and 2) your points were inherently flawed and logically unsound.
Like what even is the thesis supposed to be, that the concerns about China aren’t real or serious because propaganda exists or because other threats exist? It’s such a nonsensical take. People aren’t concerned about China because of propaganda, they’re concerned because China’s actions, intentions, and track record raise a lot of red flags that are concerning. It doesn’t take a genius to see that something nefarious is going on with these Chinese apps. Like for example…
- Why is the international version of TikTok banned in China?
- Why does the domestic version of the app and the international one use different algorithms?
- The CCP has unrestricted control over all corporations in China, how much of the data collection is directly ordered from the government?
- There are reports from multiple countries stating that China is collecting massive amounts of data for military purposes, what are they collecting and why?
- China is also well known for spending tens of billions on propaganda campaigns, are they using the data from apps like TikTok to more effectively manipulate public opinions around the globe to further their interests?
- What about the secret police networks that the CCP has established in foreign cities where there’s large populations of ethnic Chinese residing? Countries around the globe have uncovered hundreds of these networks, is the CCP using this data to find, target, and silence dissent?
These are are valid concerns that you’re trying to conveniently dismiss because you’re either ignorant of them or you’re being dishonest. Like do you not find any of these things even slightly concerning? Trying to chalk up these legitimate concerns as nothing more than product of fearmongering and propaganda is the most intellectually lazy way to dismiss them because you can’t be bothered to parse through the implications and consequences.
If you don’t care about things like privacy, tyranny, freedom, ownership, safety, and the like then that’s your problem. However, just because you don’t care that doesn’t mean others don’t or that their concerns are product of propaganda. If anything that’s a more of a reflection of you and how your own beliefs came to be. Your stance, even if we ignore all the fallacies, isn’t even a principled one. At least what I’m saying is consistent and principled. You on the other hand? You’re acting smug over a disingenuous, fallacious, and inconsistent stance, it’s, as you would say, fucking pathetic.
- Comment on YSK that a general strike is one of the most effective ways to push for change. There is a general strike in the works across the US for this Friday. 2 days ago:
Me: “These hollow performative stunts have no impact and resulted in zero results. We need to work establishing a real opposition with true roots to get actual results in the most effective way possible!”
You: “iS tHiS fAsCiSm?”
Like come on, you gotta be a troll. There’s no way anybody is dim enough to think a small collection of individuals posting random “national strike” pics on Reddit and Lemmy is going to actually produce anything substantial nationwide. It’s Jan 31st, we literally saw this fail because it wasn’t a real attempt to begin with. Nobody knew about it, nobody is backing it, nobody is leading it, there’s no goals, there’s organization, there’s no coordination, there’s literally nothing… and what do you know? Nobody fucking participated. How much further into tyranny do we have to slip before you mouthbreathers understand that you can’t virtue signal your way out of authoritarianism.
- Comment on YSK that a general strike is one of the most effective ways to push for change. There is a general strike in the works across the US for this Friday. 3 days ago:
I’m not giving steps, I’m merely stating a very basic fact. Movements need substance, that’s just reality. They need foundations to stand on to do anything meaningful. That’s the most basic of observations.
Like do you seriously think that the civil rights movement happened overnight because MLK decided one day to do a big march and everybody decided to randomly join? No the civil rights movement and all the other movements in history took decades of independent grassroots movements organizing, mobilizing, and coordinating with each other. That’s how they eventually consolidated to form unstoppable national political force.
You can be butthurt at what I said or deny it all you want, but reality isn’t going to change because what I said is a simple truth. If I was wrong then something would’ve happened today, but nothing did. January 30th is already over, and there was absolutely no impact or buzz surrounding this “strike”, not even on social media.
- Comment on YSK that a general strike is one of the most effective ways to push for change. There is a general strike in the works across the US for this Friday. 4 days ago:
I realized years ago that the progressives in this country a complete joke. They constantly put their own careers ahead of the greater good, they talk big but their actions never match, when push comes to shove they cower, and the most infuriating thing is that they always choose to uphold the status quo.
If they were the real deal then they would’ve worked day and night to build a coalition to stop Trump in 2016, but they didn’t. They would’ve build a strong opposition during his first term and stopped him from passing anything, but they didn’t. They would’ve use their opportunity under Biden to prosecute Trump and his gang of criminals after Jan 6th, but they didn’t. They would’ve at least fielded real candidates to stop Trump from returning, but they didn’t. Now that Trump has been in office again and literally dismantling the country, they’re still not doing shit. I lost all faith in them. If change were to happen it has to come from the people.
- Comment on YSK that a general strike is one of the most effective ways to push for change. There is a general strike in the works across the US for this Friday. 4 days ago:
You can’t go from 0 to a 100 and expect results. The national strike that the post is talking about is going to result in absolutely nothing. Barely anybody is going to participate if at all.
Why? Because most people aren’t even aware this is a thing, and to the small minority that is, they still won’t participate because they’re going to be the only people doing it. If one or two people from your workplace participate, they’re going to be penalized for not showing up. Same goes with boycotting or whatever else is planned.
My point is that there is currently no foundation to support such a strike. You can’t scale up if the people aren’t mobilized and onboard. How about instead of calling for a national strike, you work to convince your local unions to buy in? Two people participating at a workplace will do nothing, but if 70% of workers don’t show up at then that means something. It will send a message to the local community and might even make it to the local news. Then from there you coordinate the unions and other orgs (churches, schools, universities, nonprofits, etc) to organize a city wide strike, then a statewide strike, and then a regional strike, and if that succeeds then you can think about doing something on a national scale. However, trying to skip all the steps usually doesn’t result in real change, which is what’s going to happen here.
- Comment on DuckDuckGo poll says 90% responders don't want AI 4 days ago:
We can agree to that
- Comment on DuckDuckGo poll says 90% responders don't want AI 4 days ago:
It’s not impossible. You could build a model that’s built on consent where the data it’s trained on is obtained ethically, data collected from users is anonymized, and users can opt out if they want to. The current model of shameless theft isn’t the only path there is.
- Comment on DuckDuckGo poll says 90% responders don't want AI 4 days ago:
I don’t disagree per se, but I think there’s a pretty big difference between people using chatgpt for correcting grammar or drafting an email and people using it generate a bunch of slop images/videos. The former is a more streamlined way to use the internet which has value, while the latter is just there for the sake of it. I think its feasible for newer LLM designs to focus on what’s actually popular and useful, and cutout the fat that’s draining a large amounts of resources for no good reason.
- Comment on DuckDuckGo poll says 90% responders don't want AI 4 days ago:
Idk most people I know don’t see it as a magic crystal ball that’s expected to answer all questions perfectly. I’m sure people like that exist, but for the most part I think people understand that these LLMs are flawed. However, I know a lot of people who use them for everyday tasks like grammar checks, drafting emails/documents, brainstorming, basic analysis, and so on. They’re pretty good at these sort of things because that’s what they’re built for. The issue of privacy and greed remain, and I think some of the issues will at least be partially solved if they were designed with privacy in mind.
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
Idk what about the people who stayed. I just remember how the original wave from TikTok was rejected, and how there were a lot oblivious western TikTok users who were shocked that the Chinese user base on Rednote didn’t embrace them with open arms when they invaded.
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
The lack of moderation from what I can see is on purpose
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
Banning TikTok was supposed to be the law passed by all 3 branches of government
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
The people here are complete idiots who see no issue with Chinese spyware, mass data collection for military uses, and their massive propaganda campaigns. TikTok was always meant to be a weapon for control, that’s why the app is banned in China. They have a different clone of the app that’s exclusive to the China that has an algorithm that heavily promotes positive and educational content.
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
Not cynical, you’re just observant. I downloaded the app. This is literally the case
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
The guy who made the app is a Palestinian who’s both pro Palestine and trying to do the no political censorship gimmick, the end result? An app that’s infested with actual nazis.
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
You know that you could be against both, right?
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
An app made by a Palestinian guy who’s very much politically active participating in a no censorship gimmick? This was always the inevitable end result.
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
The Palestinian made app is unironically a hub for nazis and islamists
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
If you look into the founder, you’ll quickly realize that he’s very much biased and has a lot of agendas to push, and I have no doubt in mind that this is reflected in his platform.
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
No the fuck they’re not. Fuck out of here with that antisemitic bullshit
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
I feel like every platform outside of the Fediverse is like this nowadays.
- Comment on TikTokers are heading to UpScrolled following US takeover 4 days ago:
I remember awhile back that the RedNote community rejected the Western newcomers because they were obnoxious. Oh, and the Chinese user base is not very fond of LGBT people or culture.
- Comment on DuckDuckGo poll says 90% responders don't want AI 4 days ago:
I think most people find something like chatgpt and copilot useful in their day to day lives. LLMs are a very helpful and powerful technology. However, most people are against these models collecting every piece of data imaginable from you. People are against the tech, they’re against the people running the tech.
I don’t think most people would mind if a FOSS LLM, that’s designed with privacy and complete user control over their data, was integrated with an option to completely opt out. I think that’s the only way to get people to trust this tech again and be onboard.
- Comment on YSK that a general strike is one of the most effective ways to push for change. There is a general strike in the works across the US for this Friday. 4 days ago:
This won’t actually do anything.
In order for a strike to be a strike, it need to be organized and it needs to achieve a specific goal. If there’s no demands then it’s not a strike, it’s a boycott or a walkout.
Currently there is no movement, just a national level reaction. A movement requires leadership, a significant level of coordination and mobilization, very specific set of demands and goals, and an underlying message/philosophy that is backed by the general public. We currently have non of this.
In order to get to the point of a national level general strike, there needs to be a series of much smaller strikes that do all of the above, and have those localized strikes merge with each other to eventually have the size to pull of a national strike.
- Comment on TikTok uninstalls are up 150% following U.S. joint venture 5 days ago:
People on here are unfortunately very ignorant on the doings of the CCP. People here don’t realize that the US hasn’t lapsed China in tyranny, they’re merely catching up. The CCP has mastered authoritarianism to the point where they’re in a league of their own.
Regardless, it doesn’t matter either way because it’s not a competition. If we walk down the path choosing between two evils, we’ll quickly find ourselves racing to the bottom, and we all lose. Luckily, it doesn’t have to be that way, we can simply reject tyranny in its entirety regardless of country, ideology, or regime.
- Comment on TikTok uninstalls are up 150% following U.S. joint venture 5 days ago:
I still disagree with that notion. That’s not normal human behavior. You’re making it sound as if people can only process the top immediate threat and disregard the rest. But that’s not humans work. Humans are able to have and process multiple threats at once. If what you’re saying is true then nobody would care about what’s going on in Ukraine, Iran, or Gaza because these conflicts are so far away… yet so many people do even though they face problems in their home countries that are much closer, more imminent, and have greater impact on their daily lives… like inflation or climate change or increased government tyranny.
The point is that it doesn’t make sense from a logical point of view to reject a shitty government for being authoritarian and then disregard another shitty government that’s also authoritarian, if not more so. A rational person does process both as being threats for similar reasons. That’s a consistent and principled take. The one and only reason why one would cozy up to one over the other is because of ignorance, which is precisely what I think is going on here.
- Comment on TikTok uninstalls are up 150% following U.S. joint venture 5 days ago:
That’s a false dichotomy. I’m not going to suddenly spread my ass for a shitty authoritarian regime like the CCP because the US government is going through it. If you want to lube up for Chinese spyware and data collection then that’s on you. Personally, I’m not going to let a fallacious false binary like this cloud my judgement, I’ll always strive to own, protect, and control my data from governments, corporations, or whoever.
