I was laughing today seeing the same users who have been calling AI a bullshit machine posting articles like “grok claims this happened”. Very funny how quick people switch up when it aligns with them.
Lemmy be like
Submitted 8 months ago by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to [deleted]
https://media.piefed.social/posts/oW/h1/oWh1ReR51unriP9.png
Comments
Auth@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Wouldn’t posting articles about AI making up bullshit support their claim that AI makes up bullshit?
Auth@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You would be right if they weren’t posting the article using grok as the source for the main claim.
The articles were “grok claims it was suspended from x for accusing isreal of genocide” thats fine. It is hypocritical when you post that article to every news, politics and tech community. There were a few communities where people commented that grok is full of shit but way to many communities treated it as if it was solid evidence.
treesapx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That would seem hypocritical if you’re completely blind to poetic irony, yes.
Auth@lemmy.world 7 months ago
it doesnt seem hypocritical. It is
ronigami@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean, it is objectively bad for life. Throwing away millions to billions of gallons of water all so you can get some dubious coding advice.
wischi@programming.dev 7 months ago
Throwing away water? Does it escape into space. I completely understand the energy arguments but water?
ronigami@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It gets heated and then it’s unusable because the point of it is to cool things off. Some of it you can cool down and use again, by evaporation, but then you lose the amount that evaporated. When it goes back into the atmosphere it becomes polluted and you have to spend more energy cleaning it before it can be used by humans. Entropy always increases, the question is how fast you want it to increase.
dastanktal@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Reddit too
Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Whether intentional or not, this is gaslighting. “Here’s the trendy reaction those wacky lemmings are currently upvoting!”
Getting to the core issue, of course we’re sick of AI, and have a negative opinion of it! It’s being forced into every product, whether it makes sense or not. It’s literally taking developer jobs, then doing worse. It’s burning fossil fuels and VC money and then hallucinating nonsense, but still it’s being jammed down our throats when the vast memory of us see no use-case or benefit from it. But feel free to roll your eyes at those acknowledging the truth…
Zink@programming.dev 8 months ago
What is the gaslighting here? A trend, or the act of pointing out a trend, do not seem like gaslighting to me. At most it seems like bandwagon propaganda or the satire thereof.
For the second paragraph, I agree we (Lemmings) are all pretty against it and we can be echo-chambery about it. You know, like Linux!
But I would also DISagree that we (population of earth) are all against it.
haungack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
It seems like the most immature and toxic thing to me to invoke terms like “gaslighting,” ironically “toxic,” and all the other terms you associate with these folks, defensively and for any reason, whether it aligns with what the word actually means or not. Like a magic phrase that instantly makes the person you use it against evil, manipulative and abusive, and the person that uses it a moral saint and vulnerable victim. While indirectly muting all those who have genuine uses for the terms. Or i’m just going mad exaggerating, and it’s just the typical over- and mis-using of words.
Anyhow, sadly necessary disclaimer, i agree with almost all of the current criticism raised against AI, and my disagreements are purely against mischaracterizations of the underlying technology.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
it’s literally making its users nuts, or exacerbating their existing mental illness. not hyperbole, according to psychologists. and this isn’t conjecture:
psychologytoday.com/…/can-ai-chatbots-worsen-psyc…
rollingstone.com/…/ai-spiritual-delusions-destroy…
futurism.com/openai-investor-chatgpt-mental-healt…
futurism.com/chatgpt-psychosis-antichrist-aliens
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10686326/
lavocedinewyork.com/…/when-the-machine-takes-over…
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Are you honestly claiming a shitpost is gaslighting?
What a world we live in.
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
lnuidp@crazypeople.online 8 months ago
Wouldn’t the opposite of artificial intelligence be natural stupidity?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 months ago
natural is a superfluous word that could mean multiple things. genuine means specific and vetted.
ie: “Natural Flavors”
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I find it very funny how just a mere mention of the two letters A and I will cause some people to seethe and fume, and go on rants about how much they hate AI, like a conservative upon seeing the word “pronouns.”
Vupware@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
One of these topics is about class consciousness, those other is about human rights.
An AI is not a person.
Someone with they/them pronouns is a person.
They have no business being compared to one another!
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Calling AI not a person is going to be a slur in the future, you insensitive meatbag
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s a comparison of people, not of subjects. In becoming blind with rage upon seeing the letters A and I you act the same as a conservative person seeing the word “pronouns.”
skisnow@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
The reason most web forum posters hate AI is because AI is ruining web forums by polluting it with inauthentic garbage. Don’t be treating it like it’s some sort of irrational bandwagon.
chunes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m a lot more sick of the word ‘slop’ than I am of AI. Please, when you criticize AI, form an original thought next time.
ganryuu@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Yes! Will people stop with their sloppy criticisms?
umbraroze@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
The currently hot LLM technology is very interesting and I believe it has legitimate use cases. If we develop them into tools that help assist work. (For example, I’m very intrigued by the stuff that’s happening in the accessibility field.)
I mostly have problem with the AI business. Ludicruous use cases (shoving AI into places where it has no business in). Sheer arrogance about the sociopolitics in general. Environmental impact. LLMs aren’t good enough for “real” work, but snake oil salesmen keep saying they can do that, and uncritical people keep falling for it.
And of course, the social impact was just not what we were ready for. “Move fast and break things” may be a good mantra for developing tech, but not for releasing stuff that has vast social impact.
I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field. Usually, AI technologies just got gradually developed and integrated to software where they served purpose. Now, it’s marred with controversy for decades to come.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If we develop them into tools that help assist work.
Spoilers: We will not
I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field.
I think this is just an American way of doing business. And it’s awful, but at the end of the day people will adopt technology if it makes them greater profit (or at least screws over the correct group of people).
But where the Americanized AI seems to suffer most is in their marketing fully eclipsing their R&D. People seem to have forgotten how DeepSeek spiked the football on OpenAI less than a year ago by making some marginal optimizations to their algorithm.
The field isn’t suffering from the hype cycle nearly so much as it suffers from malinvestment. Huge efforts to make the platform marketable. Huge efforts to shoehorn clumsy chat bots into every nook and cranny of the OS interface. Vanishingly little effort to optimize material consumption or effectively process data or to segregate AI content from the human data it needs to improve.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Spoilers: We will not
Generative inpainting/fill is enormously helpful in media production.
MisterD@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
buttnugget@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I need to watch that video. I saw the first post but haven’t caught up yet.
pyre@lemmy.world 7 months ago
it’s just slacktivism no different than all the other facebook profile picture campaigns.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Reminder that Lemmy is typically older and older people are usually more conservative about things. Sure, politcially, Lemmy leans left, but technologically, Lemmy is very conservative.
Like for example, you see people on Lemmy say they’ll switch to a dumbphone, but that’s probably even more insecure, and they could’ve just used Lineage OS or something and it would be far more private.
dil@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Why does being progressive and into tech mean being into ai all of a sudden? It has never meant that, its the conservative mfs pushing ai for a reason. You think any sort of powerful ai is about to be open source and usable by the ppl? Not expensive af to run with hella regulations behind who can use it?
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You think any sort of powerful ai is about to be open source and usable by the ppl?
There’s a huge open source community running local models!
dil@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Im progressive and in to tech, I dont like fking generative ai tho its the worst part of tech to me, ai can be great in the medical field, It can be great as a supplementary tool but mfs dont use it that way. They just wanna sit on their asses and get rich off other ppls work
MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
Wow i’m sure this comment section is full of respectful and constructive discussion. Lemme go pop some popcorn.
qyron@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
True. Now shut up and take my upvote! Jo need for arguments; all has already been said.
xeekei@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Why is the other arrow also pointing up?
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 8 months ago
Because I used AI slop to create this shitpost lol.
So naturally it would make mistake.There are other mistakes in the image too
sqgl@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Makes for a confusing cartoon. I browsed too many of the comments thinking everyone knew what 3251 means except me.
xeekei@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
You used AI to make a stickfigure comic? Damn.
commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
B-But you don’t understand, AI DESTROYS le epic self employed artists and their bottom line! Art is a sacred thing that we all do for fun and not for work, therefore AI that automates the process is EVIL!
- Actual thought process of some people
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Yo, pro-AI people are weird lol
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
AI does do this to a subsection. Claiming that everyone is overreacting is just as stupid and lacks the same amount of nuance as claiming AI is going to ruin all self employed artists.
Also this ignores AI companies stealing blatnatly copyrighted material to feed their AI. As an artist I rather not have some randoms steal my stuff so some mid-tier corporation can generate their logos and advertisements without paying for it
commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Not claiming that everyone is overreacting, but how stupid a lot of anti-AI arguments are. Artists drawing art for a living gets painted not as a job, but as some sort of a fun recreational activity ignoring that artists have to do commissions or draw whatever’s popular with their fan base that pays their bills via patreon, which in other words is the process of commodifying oneself aka work.
Also this ignores AI companies stealing blatnatly copyrighted material to feed their AI.
Not saying that you’re necessarily one of those people, but this argument often pops up in leftist spaces who previously were anti-IP, which is a bit hypocritical. One moment people are against intellectual property, calling it abusable, restrictive, etc, but once small artists start getting attacked then the concept has to be defended.
As an artist
womp womp you’ll have to get a real job now /s
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Um, have you tried practicing? Just draw a stick figure or hire an artist, this will easily solve all of your problems. You’re welcome.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Lots of AI is technologically interesting and has tons of potential, but this kind of chatbot and image/video generation stuff we got now is just dumb.
MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I firmly believe we won’t get most of the interesting, “good” AI until after this current AI bubble bursts and goes down in flames. Once AI hardware is cheap interesting people will use it to make cool things. But right now, the big players in the space are drowning out anyone who might do real AI work that has potential by throwing more and more hardware and money at LLMs and generative AI models because they don’t understand the technology and see it as a way to get rich and powerful quickly.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I firmly believe we won’t get most of the interesting, “good” AI until after this current AI bubble bursts and goes down in flames.
I can’t imagine that you read much about AI outside of web sources or news media then. The exciting uses of AI is not LLMs and diffusion models, though that is all the public talks about when they talk about ‘AI’.
For example, we have been trying to find a way to predict protein folding for decades. Using machine learning, a team was able to train a model (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaFold) to predict the structure of proteins with high accuracy. Other scientists have used similar techniques to train a diffusion model that will generate a string of amino acids which will fold into a structure with the specified properties (like how image description prompts are used in an image generator).
This is particularly important because, thanks to mRNA technology, we can write arbitrary sequences of mRNA which will co-opt our cells to produce said protein.
Robotics is undergoing similar revolutionary changes. Here is a state of the art robot made by Boston Dynamics using a human programmed feedback control loop: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZPRsrwumQ
Here is a Boston Dynamics robot “using reinforcement learning with references from human motion capture and animation.”: www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44_zbEwz_w
Object detection, image processing, logistics, speech recognition, etc. These are all things that required tens of thousands of hours of science and engineering time to develop the software for, and the software wasn’t great. Now, freshman at college can train a computer vision network that outperforms these tools using free tools and a graphics card which will outperform the human-created software.
AI isn’t LLMs and image generators, those may as well be toys. I’m sure eventually LLMs and image generation will be good, but the only reason it seems amazing is because it is a novel capability that computers have not had before. But the actual impact on the real world will be minimal outside of specific fields.
haungack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I don’t know if the current AI phase is a bubble, but i agree with you that if it were a bubble and burst, it wouldn’t somehow stop or end AI, but cause a new wave of innovation instead.
I’ve seen many AI opponents imply otherwise. When the dotcom bubble burst, the internet didn’t exactly die.
NewDayRocks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
AI is good and cheap now because businesses are funding it at a loss, so not sure what you mean here.
The problem is that it’s cheap, so that anyone can make whatever they want and most people make low quality slop, hence why it’s not “good” in your eyes.
Making a cheap or efficient AI doesn’t help the end user in any way.
Barrymore@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Lots of pro AI astroturfing and whataboutisms in these comments… 🤢
chunes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Only because most of the people here don’t have the faintest idea what AI is or how it works.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
“Anyone I disagree with must be a bot or government agent”
Brotha_Jaufrey@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not all AI is bad. But there’s enough widespread AI that’s helping cut jobs, spreading misinformation (or in some cases, actual propaganda), creating deepfakes, etc, that in many people’s eyes, it paints a bad picture of AI overall. I also don’t trust AI because it’s almost exclusively owned by far right billionaires.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Machines replacing people is not a bad thing if they can actually perform the same or better; the solution to unemployment would be Universal Basic Income.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Yeah, that would be the solution, but it’s never happening.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Unfortunately, UBI is just a solution to unemployment. Another solution (and the one apparently preferred by the billionaire rulers of this planet) is letting the unemployed rot and die.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
For labor people don’t like doing, sure. I can’t imagine replacing a friend of mine with a conversation machine that performs the same or better, though.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
General_Effort@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You could have taken a screenshot from Spielberg’s A.I. Artificial Intelligence.
It’s funny how much that movie got right. I don’t think it was meant to be predictive. Many Lemmy users will probably think it is the greatest comedy ever made.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I didn’t like that movie back then, I thought it was too on the nose and weird.
But wow, this has aged like fine wine
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
AI is bad and people who use it should feel bad.
SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You mean a subset of LLM that are trained on bad human behaviours
Valmond@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So cancer cell detection is now bad and those doing it should feel bad?
The world isn’t black’n white.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Me to burn victims: “You know, without fire, we couldn’t grill meat. Right? You should think more about what you say.”
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Don’t be obtuse, you walnut. I’m obviously not equating medical technology with 12-fingered anime girls and plagiarism.
Sl00k@programming.dev 8 months ago
Would love an explanation on how I’m in the wrong on reducing my work week from 40 hours to 15 using AI.
Existing in predatory capitalistic system and putting the blame on those who utilize available tools to reduce the predatory nature of our system is insane.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Because when your employer catches on, they’ll bring you back up to 40 anyway.
And probably because those 15 hours now produce shit quality.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 8 months ago
So is eating meat, flying, gaming, going om holiday, basically if you exist you should feel bar
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
How does one feel bar?
absentbird@lemmy.world 8 months ago
When people say this they are usually talking about a very specific sort of generative LLM using unsupervised learning.
AI is a very broad field with great potential, the improvements in cancer screening alone could save millions of lives over the coming decades. At the core it’s just math, and the equations have been in use for almost as long as we’ve had computers. It’s no more good or bad than calculus or trigonometry.
occultist8128@infosec.pub 8 months ago
No hope commenting like this, just get ready getting downvoted with no reason. People use wrong terms and normalize it.
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I’m sure AI would be great if we actually had it. LLMs are not AI.
Draces@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They factually are. ML is AI. I think you mean AGI maybe?
Oderus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
AI > ML > DL > GenAi.
AI is a generic term for any LLM followed by Machine Learning, Deep Learning and Generative AI.
The hate against AI is hilariously misinformed.
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Could be, I get confused by the alphabet soup of acronyms. I mean these glorified predictive text machines that for some reason marketers are trying to push as having some sort of ability to “think”.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
Yes, any further questions?
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It feels like the author of the post thinks superficially and doesn’t delve into the essence.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
AI BAD, TRUMP BAD, GENOCIDE BAD.
Now where are my upvotes?
shalafi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You forgot CEOs and landlords.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah it is bad
It’s actually a real problem
_cnt0@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I’d welcome actual AI. What is peddled everyday as “AI” is just marketing bullshit. There’s no intelligence in it. Language shapes perception and we should take those words back and use them according to their original and inherent meaning. LLMs are not AI. Stable diffusion is not AI. Neural networks trained for a singular task are not AI.
occultist8128@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Define “intelligence”
naught101@lemmy.world 8 months ago
AI is exactly as bad as mechanised weaving looms.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
you do realize mechanized looms were used to put people out of jobs and very very very clearly harm them, right? this isn’t an argument in favour of AI, it’s an argument against it.
JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Back in my day, PAC-Man ghosts stayed perfectly still, exhibiting no behaviour at all and that’s how we Lemmy people liked it!
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Its true. We can have a nuanced view. Im just so fucking sick of the paid off media hyping this shit, and normies thinking its the best thing ever when they know NOTHING about it. And the absolute blind trust and corpo worship make me physically ill.
ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Wait to power tripper db0 sees this. Crying that their ai photos in all their coms are cringe