On Apple: safari + AdGuard
Or: Orion browser
YouTube's Latest Update Shows That Online Monoculture Is Dead
Submitted 8 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://gizmodo.com/youtubes-latest-update-shows-that-online-monoculture-is-dead-2000628302
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BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Sneq@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Thanks for Orion tip, didn’t know that
dangrousperson@feddit.org 8 months ago
Safari + AdGuard used to work in my iPad, but it has recently been blocked with a disable Ad-block message. Orion works for me when I disable all build-in content blocking and using the Firefox version of Ublock Origin.
I think the build-in blocker is too basic and gets detected by YouTube, while ublock works (everywhere I’ve tested it, desktop, android, iPad)
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Firefox focus works amazingly!
anachrohack@lemmy.world 8 months ago
[deleted]antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
someone’s insane ramblings about the new world order.
We still have plenty of that, everywhere from Twitter to 4chan.
MITM0@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, but Youtubers make it more entertaining
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The internet was best when noone could see qhat you looked like, or your name. Pure thought
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 8 months ago
looks around
like… here?
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I think that’s what they mean, but it’s not a well written headline.
viking@infosec.pub 8 months ago
People use the youtube app?
arararagi@ani.social 8 months ago
How do you cast to your tv?
viking@infosec.pub 8 months ago
SmartTube Next, installed directly on the TV. But when I’m in places where I can’t just install random apps on a TV, BubbleUPnP works nicely, as long as you use a chromium based browser. I keep Cromite around just for that, a degoogled chrome variant.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 8 months ago
You need to?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
[deleted]Sxan@piefed.zip 8 months ago
Tubular/NewPipe and siblings allow subscribing wiþout an account. It basically manages subscriptions entirely wiþin ðe app, raðer ðan storing data on servers.
Ðe way applications should work.
Stabbitha@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah people use all sorts of stuff that you don’t. Wild, isn’t it?
altphoto@lemmy.today 8 months ago
I use new pipe if I heed. It’s like a window into a crazy house. You can see what’s going on, but you can’t have a say.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 months ago
Online monoculture died when the normies finally got online and brought real life cliques to the internet.
adespoton@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
When was this?
Asking as someone who’s been on the Internet since 1989.
Valmond@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I downloaded my first image from internet in 92, just took a prolonged coffee break (a couple of kilobytes small b&w image).
You must have been in an American uni?
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You’re not an internet veteran if you didn’t get your start on DARPAnet
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 8 months ago
IMHO, old internet started to slowly die with the introduction of MySpace, Digg, and even 4chan, I call the period of 2006 to 2010 the slow decline era, then 2010 to 2016 the rapid decline era. 2016 to 2022 is the “classic centralized internet era”, and now we have the era of the “new centralized internet”, characterized by the peddling of far-right ideologies of these centralized platforms, alongside with the potential rebirth of the old, decentralized internet.
lime@feddit.nu 8 months ago
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Sometimes wish we could go back to BBS’s and MUDs
Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 months ago
15-20 years or so ago. Whenever smartphones became the dominant communications tool, and pretty much everyone had access to the internet from their pocket square.
qyron@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I followed the link of a video here on Lemmy just a few minutes ago and it opened in the browser.
Nothing shocking up to this point.
Then I get a prompt from the video saying “Ready to buy products advertised in the video? Log into the official app in order to.”
Direct purchase through the YT app is a novelty for me.
Newpipe all the way.
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Newpipe 4 life!
Just need to find a way to stop Eternity from opening Youtube links in the browser. Sure you can share it with the app but it would be a lot more convenient.
Yefrem@piefed.zip 8 months ago
If you want all youtube links you click on on your phone to open in tubular you can go to your phones settings>apps>tubular>set as default and make open supported links on and under the supported web addresses you can select all the web addresses you want to be opened in tubular.
Tronn4@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tried newpipe when I migrated from reddit. It worked 50% of thw time. Any better now?
4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Gizmodo still exists 😲
renrenPDX@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Any iOS alternatives? The ad experience is not great.
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Firefox focus, it’s a browser with only 1 tab and built in Adblock.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Absolutely Firefox focus.
Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
AltStore + YTLitePlus
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I don’t use iOS any more, but I found that a combination of Safari + adblocker + Vinegar was the golden setup. No ads, and you get to use the default iOS video player.
SeeFerns@programming.dev 8 months ago
I got rid of YT and replaced it with PeerTube and Nebula. Am I a bit less entertained? Sure. Am I a lot less angry? Yup.
I’m also learning a lot more because I was forced to find new content and new creators which was actually really fun.
aceshigh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why did YT make you angry? I haven’t experienced it yet. I block content I’m not interested in and it goes away.
ICastFist@programming.dev 8 months ago
How to fully block pro-right, minecraft and roblox content? It doesn’t matter how many videos I mark as “not interested” or channels I block, there’s always another one that YT shows on the sidebar of related videos
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I block content I’m not interested in and it goes away.
I agree with this idea, but unfortunately YT and other engagement social media sites don’t want that to happen. For me, I’m almost never shown videos I hate, but when I say “not interested/don’t show me this channel” it USUALLY works. Not at the time though. I’ve definitely gotten channels recommended to me that I already said I don’t want to see.
This is especially true for my mom, who is frequently getting upset by the fact that YT keeps showing her Fox News and Asmongold clips in her recommendations. I think changing the VPN to Canada helped to reduce the Fox News recommendations, but the Asmongold clips can’t be escaped.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
It became downright personal for me. Its about accessibility.
My brain works a certain non typical way which is challenging to live with at best.
Sudden advertisements hits me like a physical punch in my face.
The ui focus on everything new rather then a nice subscription view with filters meant i who does not watch daily would frequently miss new uploads from the channels i do like.
I felt like i was in a toxic relationship being pushed to watch on their terms while openly hating that i protect myself from ad-sault by using blockers.
I realize i did not need things to be this way and am smart enough to build and alternative.
Now i have a yt-dlp script downloaded the latest uploads from chosen channels straight to jellyfin and also a selfhosted invidious with custom tweaks for everything i dont want to spend storage space on.
Basicly i take 100% of what i liked and never have to visit the website directly again.
They are waging war on invidious, it breaks on occasion. Yt-dlp though, stable as a rock.
SeeFerns@programming.dev 8 months ago
YT, really Google, is just not a company I want to support. YT as a platform is not something I want to support by using. Also, data reasons.
eskimofry@lemmy.world 8 months ago
taking a guess but I already saw some other comments on another thread mention this: The chart boys in any corps will see Engagement == Profit. Thus they will tune their recommendations solely for that. And if you aren’t bothered about properly policing your video upload platform the end result is highly divisive content thats “not boring”.
Divisive content makes people angry so they engage in comments.
i used to be on reddit. And I used to get into “debates” that devolved into a slap fight and make me angry about the people who intentionally or unintentionally riled me up with outrageous (real or my own perception) opinions.
While lemmy also has slap fights, I feel like the lack of an “algorithm” tuned for engagement prevents continuous fueling of the fire, metaphorically speaking.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
any peertube creators you can recommend that make long form highly edited content?
SeeFerns@programming.dev 8 months ago
I mostly watch folks like the Linux Experiment and Veronica Explains and Oh the Urbanity. I’ve had more luck on Nebula but I am trying to sort of “put up or shut up” by interacting with the platforms that I want to succeed. Ya know? So I just browse peer tube a lot and give random videos a shot.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What is Nebula? Is it literally just a YouTube alternative, or is there more to it? I did some googling and couldn’t find much. But they do seem to have a few creators I like.
eskimofry@lemmy.world 8 months ago
its a paid platform where engagement (i.e bickering in the comments section) is near absent. And the content is allowed to address themes that make main stream media blush.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Youtube alternative with focus on educational creators. It doesn’t have an engagement algorithm and it claims to compensate creators better.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Nebula has certainly improved but I still think they need to put more effort into getting new creators that aren’t political or news. I just did a skim through their uploads lists for various topics and news and/or political (or political ish) content is still the most active. Topics like technology and gaming see far less uploads.
Hugin@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s a side effect of the “no algorithm” philosophy. Without anything to suggest what you might like generating high amounts of new content let’s you dominate the feed. News is easy to generate on a daily basis.
The thoughtful channel that puts out a video once every two weeks gets on the feed once every two weeks. Then low effort garbage like man carrying things gets on the feed every day.
They need to at least let users block channels from their feed.
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
i’ve got a yt channel i woulda loved to get on nebula, but it’s some kinda invite only system and i didn’t get an invite.
i’m super over yt and the $130 a month i get from them…. $130(ish) for a 50 hour a week job.
pup_atlas@pawb.social 8 months ago
There isn’t a ton of content, but Jetlag SLAPS
fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Huzzah!
Almacca@aussie.zone 8 months ago
I’ve been using YouTube as my primary source of entertainment since 2009. I don’t think I’ve looked at the trending page even once.
Has the internet ever been a ‘monoculture’?
chaosCruiser@futurology.today 8 months ago
The trending page of YT is like the r/all of Reddit. If I want to see some stuff I couldn’t care less about, that’s where I’ll find it. I have no idea who actually uses that, but I’ve never found anything of value there.
Valmond@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The crazy part, IMO, is that there is no way to filter that crap, at all. I’d love a good “front-page” but no.
answersplease77@lemmy.world 8 months ago
At least Reddit’s front page features some news sometimes while YT front page caters to 3-6 yr olds who are YT’s main demographic. It’s all AI junk clickbait brainrot and shorts content.
I could never click on any YT’s front page links. It’s not appealing to me not even in my drunkiest state
aceshigh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Exactly. I have my own interests and I just stick to that. Arts and crafts and dog grooming videos haven’t made me angry.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They’ve removed down notes, date posted in placeholders, and the ability to properly alter monetization the way you want to…seems like a competitive product could pop in at any time. Sadly, the only competition would have to come from another equally shitty company with a massive infrastructure footprint.
bvoigtlaender@feddit.org 8 months ago
Part of me expected that today is the day the subscribe button went away.
showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 8 months ago
Andy Warhol was so close, in the future everyone won’t be famous for 15 minutes. Instead everyone will be famous to 15 people.
killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 8 months ago
keep showing viewers the videos that we think they’ll love
We’ll keep profiling you and target you with videos that drive engagement, so largely things that inspire rage or conflict between you and others. Extra points if we drive your political and social views further to the right.
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Youtube has just one priority, it wants you to watch as much monetised content as possible. If you watch those types of videos, it’ll suggest them to you.
I don’t, and I never see them recommended either - here’s my youtube homepage right now.
DIY, electronics, cooking, gaming, science, with some weeb stuff sprinkled in - exactly what I’d expect.Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 months ago
that is youtubes goal, it brings traffic to the site.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I’ve noticed that with Facebook. Facebook will push conflict to my feed excessively hard, to the point that spending not even 30 seconds there will start making me angry. I refuse to use Facebook at all anymore.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 8 months ago
I think they are driving the right further to the right and the left further to the left.
Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Probably true from about 10 years ago.