Online monoculture died when the normies finally got online and brought real life cliques to the internet.
YouTube's Latest Update Shows That Online Monoculture Is Dead
Submitted 1 day ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://gizmodo.com/youtubes-latest-update-shows-that-online-monoculture-is-dead-2000628302
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Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 hours ago
adespoton@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
When was this?
Asking as someone who’s been on the Internet since 1989.
lime@feddit.nu 16 minutes ago
Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 hours ago
15-20 years or so ago. Whenever smartphones became the dominant communications tool, and pretty much everyone had access to the internet from their pocket square.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Sometimes wish we could go back to BBS’s and MUDs
anachrohack@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Really? It feels like theres a lot less diversity of thought on the internet now. I used to be able to jump on stumbleupon and find a website about psilocybin, or someone’s insane ramblings about the new world order. Now its all just crap. Used to be the world was too far away, used to be the stars didn’t have much to say.
viking@infosec.pub 9 hours ago
People use the youtube app?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 32 minutes ago
Lol haven’t used the app for like at least 7 years? Maybe even 10 years. Haven’t used the app as soon as I learned what an adblocker is, using uBlock Origin on Firefox.
I don’t “subscribe” to anyone either, I just keep a list of everyone who I wanna watch and check everyone channel like once every 3 days. Takes like 3 minutes to go through the list of like around 20 channels. No accounts, all done over a no-log VPN to a privacy-friendly country.
Stabbitha@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Yeah people use all sorts of stuff that you don’t. Wild, isn’t it?
altphoto@lemmy.today 2 hours ago
I use new pipe if I heed. It’s like a window into a crazy house. You can see what’s going on, but you can’t have a say.
killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 day ago
keep showing viewers the videos that we think they’ll love
We’ll keep profiling you and target you with videos that drive engagement, so largely things that inspire rage or conflict between you and others. Extra points if we drive your political and social views further to the right.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I’ve noticed that with Facebook. Facebook will push conflict to my feed excessively hard, to the point that spending not even 30 seconds there will start making me angry. I refuse to use Facebook at all anymore.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Its nuts to me that we figured out their strategy like 10 years ago and people just chose to ignore that information and kept using all these platforms anyway.
bladerunnerspider@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Delete it. Do it.
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 17 hours ago
Youtube has just one priority, it wants you to watch as much monetised content as possible. If you watch those types of videos, it’ll suggest them to you.
I don’t, and I never see them recommended either - here’s my youtube homepage right now.
DIY, electronics, cooking, gaming, science, with some weeb stuff sprinkled in - exactly what I’d expect.killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I think the most interesting thing is that you don’t see any rage bait in that screenshot. It seems the grift is working as intended to me.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 day ago
that is youtubes goal, it brings traffic to the site.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 1 day ago
I think they are driving the right further to the right and the left further to the left.
disco@lemdro.id [bot] 1 day ago
”lets just see what happens"
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not even “further”. They are driving to as many splits as possible, as opposed to ideological differences.
Difference is good, because two different systems can, eh, have kids. One can disassemble them, mix them, see how it works, make thought experiments, discuss again and again. A split doesn’t involve the kids making process.
A split is different from a discussion in the sense that you use a prepared set of shibbolets to tell friend from foe, not leaving any room for synthesis.
When you have that split mentality, you punish attempts at discussion by others by interpreting it always as the biggest split possible, - as if it were worse than actually being a foe applying the same split approach, just like you.
Totalitarian societies usually poison and punish and implicitly tax discussion, but they are always welcoming to splits. And that split mentality endures far longer than the original totalitarian regime, usually. Look at Germans, not the eastern ones, but all of them, - their political and group thinking still reminisces Nazi propaganda. Israel and Palestine are one good example, but this can be seen in many other things.
Which is also why I don’t entirely align with the idea of “new middle ages”. The mechanisms we are seeing are from 1930s, not 1330s and not even 1630s.
Nazis were a bunch of tough but dumb veterans and their conservative sponsors, doing things the way obvious for these groups.
Bolsheviks were a bunch of thieves and college dropouts and their small-noble and intelligentsia sympathizers, doing things the ways obvious for them (that crappy Soviet elitism existed because the sympathizer layer wanted some sort of Plato’s state with a “better” subset of society, ya knaw, the right kind of professors, the right kind of poets, the right kind of journalists, necessarily social sciences as you see, teaching everyone else to live (if you’ve read “Heart of a dog”, professor Preobrazhensky is very clearly that, he’s not a positive character in any way, he’s one of those people who liked social inequality, just felt markets are a wrong way to decide who is where in the hierarchy), and ex-Soviet societies still are divided into “the popular Bolshevik” view of taking everything from the “enemies of the people” and dividing it as the main solution to every problem, and “the elitist Bolshevik” view of “the wrong people that can’t be allowed to make democratic decisions”, the funniest part is that these mostly intersect in the same people, these are two sides of the same coin). They too did things the was obvious for these groups. By the way, thieves and murderers are usually the same kind of personality, and failures tend to use power they have to take revenge, and intelligentsia of the described kind.
These modern idiots are a bunch of piss-smelling mommy’s cheats like Zuckerberg or Bezos who managed to capture a new industry, and their (kinda elitist) professor-cultured predecessors who think that the treatment of the industry that allowed mommy’s cheats to do that should be maintained, and all of them willingly reinforcing the hierarchy of them, a relatively small group of “founders and visionaries”, deciding where it’ll go, but I beg your pardon, there’s no technical reason for any decisions to depend on what they want. I’m certain most of these people are actually not technically more competent or understanding of the domain areas than many other people who’ve never were anywhere close to that “Silicon Valley society”.
But still all of them used different, but similar in effects and covered areas, means of propaganda. Eh, I think I’ve recently seen a wonderful article about various ways in which human psyche adapts for totalitarianism and abuse, except I suspect it was in Russian.
So - IMHO one can draw an analogy between early USSR with Bolsheviks like Stalin (the thief kind) and Bolsheviks like Lenin (the elitist intelligentsia kind) and the tech industry, where Zuckerberg, Brin and Bezos would be like the former, while Linus Torvalds, big people of Microsoft, and so on - all very different people, it’s about culture of the resulting “elite”, - would be the latter. But combined together, as some community with a vision of the future, they are pigs. They look at the world as if it were their place to decide what it will be.
So all I have to say is - in the last ~30 years we have evolved paternalism of a very harmful kind, combined with the split mentality, combined with a structure where paternalists are in power in a hierarchical system. It doesn’t matter that those paternalists employ anti-paternalist slogans and say anti-paternalist words. What matters is what they do.
In any case - in 2012 the former group were in appearances very “liberal”, now they are the opposite thing, and some known FOSS personalities have more right-wing views than you’d expect from their public appearances (which are very liberal). But all this doesn’t matter.
What matters is that for a sane discussion about politics, for example, you should have participants equally ready to accept ancap, fascism, ancom, Confucian monarchy, Buddhist theocracy, direct democracy for every decision, Trotskyist Soviet system (no professional state bureaucrats, all state apparatus roles are filled with random citizens elected\sortitioned by councils, perpetually rotated, no professional military commanders\sergeants, the same thing, and the problem of expertise is solved by good enough common education), I can go on.
Point is that you don’t get into an argument in order to tell friend from foe, you get into an argument to synthesize something new and wonderful. An argument is like a blind date. Why the hell even spend your time on telling friends from foes, unless you are taking notes for a very big kill list, but that wouldn’t be good faith behavior.
So if you think something, you might think differently after the argument.
Except this good faith behavior I described is dangerous when there are a lot of cowards in the society and the legal protections don’t work (you sort of irritate people who’d like a hierarchical society with non-transparent concentrated power, because power is concentrated by groups, and those groups accept new people of their kind, and thus such people have a chance of getting a piece of that power and don’t like you dogfooding mechanisms for preventing such a system).
Almacca@aussie.zone 23 hours ago
I’ve been using YouTube as my primary source of entertainment since 2009. I don’t think I’ve looked at the trending page even once.
Has the internet ever been a ‘monoculture’?
chaosCruiser@futurology.today 16 hours ago
The trending page of YT is like the r/all of Reddit. If I want to see some stuff I couldn’t care less about, that’s where I’ll find it. I have no idea who actually uses that, but I’ve never found anything of value there.
answersplease77@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
At least Reddit’s front page features some news sometimes while YT front page caters to 3-6 yr olds who are YT’s main demographic. It’s all AI junk clickbait brainrot and shorts content.
I could never click on any YT’s front page links. It’s not appealing to me not even in my drunkiest stateSquizzy@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
The only view of reddit I have is top/hour.
The YT trending was disgusting boring farmed content. It was like going to r/all two days ago.
aceshigh@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Exactly. I have my own interests and I just stick to that. Arts and crafts and dog grooming videos haven’t made me angry.
qyron@sopuli.xyz 14 hours ago
I followed the link of a video here on Lemmy just a few minutes ago and it opened in the browser.
Nothing shocking up to this point.
Then I get a prompt from the video saying “Ready to buy products advertised in the video? Log into the official app in order to.”
Direct purchase through the YT app is a novelty for me.
Newpipe all the way.
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 13 hours ago
Newpipe 4 life!
Just need to find a way to stop Eternity from opening Youtube links in the browser. Sure you can share it with the app but it would be a lot more convenient.
Tronn4@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Tried newpipe when I migrated from reddit. It worked 50% of thw time. Any better now?
just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They’ve removed down notes, date posted in placeholders, and the ability to properly alter monetization the way you want to…seems like a competitive product could pop in at any time. Sadly, the only competition would have to come from another equally shitty company with a massive infrastructure footprint.
SeeFerns@programming.dev 20 hours ago
I got rid of YT and replaced it with PeerTube and Nebula. Am I a bit less entertained? Sure. Am I a lot less angry? Yup.
I’m also learning a lot more because I was forced to find new content and new creators which was actually really fun.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
Nebula has certainly improved but I still think they need to put more effort into getting new creators that aren’t political or news. I just did a skim through their uploads lists for various topics and news and/or political (or political ish) content is still the most active. Topics like technology and gaming see far less uploads.
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
i’ve got a yt channel i woulda loved to get on nebula, but it’s some kinda invite only system and i didn’t get an invite.
i’m super over yt and the $130 a month i get from them…. $130(ish) for a 50 hour a week job.
pup_atlas@pawb.social 15 hours ago
There isn’t a ton of content, but Jetlag SLAPS
aceshigh@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Why did YT make you angry? I haven’t experienced it yet. I block content I’m not interested in and it goes away.
eskimofry@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
taking a guess but I already saw some other comments on another thread mention this: The chart boys in any corps will see Engagement == Profit. Thus they will tune their recommendations solely for that. And if you aren’t bothered about properly policing your video upload platform the end result is highly divisive content thats “not boring”.
Divisive content makes people angry so they engage in comments.
i used to be on reddit. And I used to get into “debates” that devolved into a slap fight and make me angry about the people who intentionally or unintentionally riled me up with outrageous (real or my own perception) opinions.
While lemmy also has slap fights, I feel like the lack of an “algorithm” tuned for engagement prevents continuous fueling of the fire, metaphorically speaking.
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
I block content I’m not interested in and it goes away.
I agree with this idea, but unfortunately YT and other engagement social media sites don’t want that to happen. For me, I’m almost never shown videos I hate, but when I say “not interested/don’t show me this channel” it USUALLY works. Not at the time though. I’ve definitely gotten channels recommended to me that I already said I don’t want to see.
This is especially true for my mom, who is frequently getting upset by the fact that YT keeps showing her Fox News and Asmongold clips in her recommendations. I think changing the VPN to Canada helped to reduce the Fox News recommendations, but the Asmongold clips can’t be escaped.
SeeFerns@programming.dev 16 hours ago
YT, really Google, is just not a company I want to support. YT as a platform is not something I want to support by using. Also, data reasons.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
It became downright personal for me. Its about accessibility.
My brain works a certain non typical way which is challenging to live with at best.
Sudden advertisements hits me like a physical punch in my face.
The ui focus on everything new rather then a nice subscription view with filters meant i who does not watch daily would frequently miss new uploads from the channels i do like.
I felt like i was in a toxic relationship being pushed to watch on their terms while openly hating that i protect myself from ad-sault by using blockers.
I realize i did not need things to be this way and am smart enough to build and alternative.
Now i have a yt-dlp script downloaded the latest uploads from chosen channels straight to jellyfin and also a selfhosted invidious with custom tweaks for everything i dont want to spend storage space on.
Basicly i take 100% of what i liked and never have to visit the website directly again.
They are waging war on invidious, it breaks on occasion. Yt-dlp though, stable as a rock.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
any peertube creators you can recommend that make long form highly edited content?
SeeFerns@programming.dev 16 hours ago
I mostly watch folks like the Linux Experiment and Veronica Explains and Oh the Urbanity. I’ve had more luck on Nebula but I am trying to sort of “put up or shut up” by interacting with the platforms that I want to succeed. Ya know? So I just browse peer tube a lot and give random videos a shot.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
What is Nebula? Is it literally just a YouTube alternative, or is there more to it? I did some googling and couldn’t find much. But they do seem to have a few creators I like.
eskimofry@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
its a paid platform where engagement (i.e bickering in the comments section) is near absent. And the content is allowed to address themes that make main stream media blush.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Youtube alternative with focus on educational creators. It doesn’t have an engagement algorithm and it claims to compensate creators better.
renrenPDX@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Any iOS alternatives? The ad experience is not great.
Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
AltStore + YTLitePlus
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 12 hours ago
I don’t use iOS any more, but I found that a combination of Safari + adblocker + Vinegar was the golden setup. No ads, and you get to use the default iOS video player.
showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 1 day ago
Andy Warhol was so close, in the future everyone won’t be famous for 15 minutes. Instead everyone will be famous to 15 people.
4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 16 hours ago
Gizmodo still exists 😲
bvoigtlaender@feddit.org 1 day ago
Part of me expected that today is the day the subscribe button went away.
fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Huzzah!
BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
On Apple: safari + AdGuard
Or: Orion browser
dangrousperson@feddit.org 1 hour ago
Safari + AdGuard used to work in my iPad, but it has recently been blocked with a disable Ad-block message. Orion works for me when I disable all build-in content blocking and using the Firefox version of Ublock Origin.
I think the build-in blocker is too basic and gets detected by YouTube, while ublock works (everywhere I’ve tested it, desktop, android, iPad)
Sneq@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Thanks for Orion tip, didn’t know that