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In 6 hours it will be illegal to say "I support Palestine Action" in the UK, with a sentence of up to 14 years in prison.

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Submitted ⁨⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨als@lemmy.blahaj.zone⁩ to ⁨aboringdystopia@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/ban-on-palestine-action-to-take-effect-after-legal-challenge-fails

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  • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    the group broke into RAF Brize Norton, vandalizing and damaging two Royal Air Force Airbus A330 MRTT refuelling planes by spraying paint into their engines

    Doing extremistic things and being surprised to be classified as extremists… Ahm… Alright…

    will be illegal to say “I support Palestine Action”

    Just say “I support Palestine” instead. Problem solved…

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    • crapwittyname@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is actually a big deal. They’ve been proscribed as terrorists in the same way as ISIS, Hezbollah, Atomwaffen etc.
      They are a direct action protest group, and they are criminals (at least the members that vandalised property) but they aren’t terrorists. And now, under UK law, expressing support for them is an offence. This is a huge misuse of terrorism legislation. 27 people were arrested yesterday for recording their support for Palestine Action.

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  • canajac@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    Come and get me!!!

    2020ish…Two Presidents team up to create a world without Palestinians. 1940ish…Two dictators team up to create a world without Jews.

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  • LadyButterfly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s important to remember that the headline refers to the group Palestine action, which has carried out vandalisation of historical pieces, occupations of property, destruction etc (see here). So it’s a group that fits the UK definition of an extremist group.

    Some political groups (or even branches of them) can be political cults trapping members with coercive control It’s not always idealistic well meaning people. The court that decreed them an unlawful group will have seen a lot of info we didn’t.

    I think we need to look deeper than the headline

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    • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      By that very definition the US insurrection should be reintroduced to jail

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      • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Double Jeopardy. You need to get them for something else… Not that it would be hard to find something, I guess

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      • LadyButterfly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’d personally class that as terrorism. And they absolutely should be in jail.

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    • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s important to remember that the headline refers to the group Palestine action

      Coming into this thread, thinking that you couldn’t legally support Palestine in the UK anymore, I feel like the headline was just a bit misleading.

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      • LadyButterfly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yep it’s total clickbait, it’s bordering on misinformation

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  • ZMoney@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just for the record, I support Palestine action. I condemn the genocide being perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the state of Israel.

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  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Does free speech or democracy exist if the oligarchs/states that buy your politicians/rulers force you to support those states? What would Idi Amin do (perhaps most self enriching open corrupt ruler, or the narrative that gets pinned on a ruler who shifts away from US empire)? Or as in history, UK first decided it was illegal to oppose Idi Amin (support his rivals) to later being illegal to support Idi Amin?

    “To know who rules over you, notice who you are not allowed to criticize”

    IIUC, it is only Palestine support that is illegal. You may still advocate for UK/NATO war on Israel or at least elimination of support, and elimination of politicians who support Israel. Limiting speech to support for all wars your rulers prefer is the most oppressive of democratic speech.

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    • LadyButterfly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s a particular group not Palestine in general. The headline is misleading

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  • aceshigh@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can someone explain why so many countries support what’s happening in Palestine? Whats going on behind the scenes here?

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    • brot@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Let’s be honest: No country would act different from Israel when facing a situation as with Gaza. No country could tolerate an attack like Oct 7th on its territory, esp with everything that happened before with all the rocket and suicide attacks. Just think about how the Americans reacted to 9/11. They started bombing Afghanistan and Iraq even if both countries really didn’t have much to do with 9/11. In this case it would be a scenario like “9/11 was done by a narco cartel in a small part of Mexico where central authority lost control” or something like that.

      Combine it with the fact that all western states have no sympathies for islamist extremists like Hamas, because they are not muslim and also because most western states suffered from islamist attacks. Most states also see Hamas (an Hezbollah) as an Iranian proxy militia (which they are) and have also no sympathies to Iran, its theocratic dictatorship, its nuclear program and its military alliance with Russia.

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      • ultranaut@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t think this is honesty because you are only addressing Hamas. Of course any nation would respond to an Oct. 7th type event, but Israel has very obviously gone far beyond that. The pogroms in the West Bank for example, there’s no connection between Hamas and the villages being emptied and seized. Smotrich and his ilk have been very explicit about the intent of Israeli actions.

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    • bollybing@lemmynsfw.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The idea that the actions of world powers are in any way governed by morality is largely a myth. Politicians will try to twist reality and use morality to justify killing people abroad and sometimes morality does align with their interests by coincidence.

      But the motivations are always about furthering financial and strategic interests. See the overthrow of the Iranian regime in 1953 to protect oil interests, CIA coups and supporting murderous dictators in countless South American and other countries around the world, the recent Iraq war etc. If a government gets elected somewhere that would threaten our business interests (by taxing or nationalising them for example), we have historically supported bloody coups to remove them and install murderous facist regimes that enable us to keep making money at the cost of countless innocent lives.

      Strategic in the sense that we prevent other powers in a region from becoming strong enough to challenge us. Keeping ourselves on top and in charge by keeping others down. Israel is a valuable ally in this regard - they maintain power in the region by keeping others down and keep them focused more on destroying Israel than attacking us.

      Palestinian lives aren’t important to our governments. They have no real power and there’s no real profit to be made from them. Our strategic interest in supporting Israel will always trump any humanitarian interest in preventing genocide.

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    • testfactor@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I do think the situation is more complicated than Lemmy would have you believe.

      Both Iran and Hamas have been geopolitical issues for a long time. And it’s worth remembering that all of this was kicked off by a large scale terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas.

      It’s also worth noting that Iran is a Russian puppet, and Europe obviously has some “neighbor problems” with Russia at the moment, so there’s a sort of baked in desire to oppose their vassal states.

      And, while I think everyone would agree that the loss of civilian life is terrible, there is a huge amount of misinformation that makes it hard to be sure what’s going on. Hamas does have a long history of screwing over the civilian Palestinian population to further it’s political goals, and so people are willing to give Israel a little more credence than they deserve when they claim things like “Hamas was hiding in that hospital” or “we’re blocking aid because Hamas is hoarding it all to drive up tensions” or “it was Hamas who shot those civilians,” because it actually wouldn’t be the first time any of that had credibly happened. Something of a boy-cried-wolf scenario.

      Add into that genuine desire to combat real anti-Semitism that’s been a fallout of this whole situation (a problem that hits pretty close to home in Europe due to events of the past century), and you can see why some people might be a bit over-eager to support Israel in this conflict.

      It’s worth noting there are no good guys here. Israel is obviously in the wrong, and are committing horrible atrocities. I think that much is plain on its face. But Hamas and Iran have both had “the destruction of the state of Israel” as stated policy goals for the past 80 years. The reason Israel has the Iron Dome is because they’ve been getting missiles lobbed at them non-stop for decades.

      And when there are no good guys, people tend to just align themselves with who they like more, or who they owe more to.

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      • luminn@lemmy.eco.br ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And it’s worth remembering that all of this was kicked off by a large scale terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas. This is insane when Israel was killing Palestinians years before Hamas even existed.

        The Nakba happened 40 years before they existed.

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      • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Both Iran and Hamas have been geopolitical issues for a long time. And it’s worth remembering that all of this was kicked off by a large scale terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas.

        Propaganda is deeply effective because most people’s world events attention span is like a dog that sees a squirrel. History starts at the chosen squirrel event, and of course, geopolitics is viewed as “Us the good guys” vs. “those who fail to obey us”.

        Your rant was praised as balanced, but is simply the official justification for colonial apartheid turned genocide our rulers, in submission to our own colonial masters, dictate upon us.

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      • LadyButterfly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s a really balanced comment and I’m sorry you’re getting downvoted for it.

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    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Big Israeli lobby. Bribes and Epstein blackmail.

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    • alyth@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you look at history most western countries have committed genocide or invasion in very recent history. Either in the context of WWII, colonialism or economic interests. Countries don’t magically change over night. Wouldn’t it be more surprising if they didn’t support their ally?

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      • Redredme@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Most western countries have committed genocide or invasion in very recent history. Either in the context of WWII, colonialism or economic interests. Countries people don’t magically change over night. Wouldn’t it be more surprising if they didn’t support their ally?

        There. Fixed that for you. Dont have to thank me, its good.

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  • Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    At risk of sounding like that dipshit Vance, you guys don’t have free speech, not really. The uk seems to exist in a “yes, but no” realm. The press can’t report on trials such that it might influence outcome. 1988 law iirc. That’s smart, but it’s still a guardrail on speech. Some of the arrests and even sentences over there, for speech and sometimes even ideology related infractions, are a bit wild. I remember reading something about a woman being fined for calling her ex a leprechaun on social media.

    That said, I feel a need to reiterate how crazy this defense of war and slaughter is. I’ve been a casual observer at best but I do not understand why either government cares if a people across an ocean (who are not and never will be boots on the ground for either side of this war) say they don’t like a war. So what? The war will rage on regardless of wether or not college students in Michigan walk around outside on a nice day holding signs. Or if some guy in London posts an objection on social media. That’s not even a speed bump to this war or either government if either government even sees or hears any of it. So why does either government even care? Why even spend energy on that? For them, it’s like a volume setting that maybe can’t be turned to zero, but in the end it’s just a bit of noise to them. So why bother? The war will continue. As such, their reaction makes no sense whatsoever.

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    • mad_lentil@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think it makes sense when you consider there are many government workers who do not support the genocide of Palestinians, and would be more vocal about it if they the political capital that, say, a large protest nets you.

      It’s actually possible to end this with only the ingredients we have available right now.

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  • Griffus@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Does the colonies have too much power over The Commonwealth?

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  • als@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Met statement (…police.uk/…/update-on-policing-in-london-followi…) includes a ‘report your neighbour’ statement; “If you see material supporting terrorism online report it – visit www.gov.uk/ACT

    You can also report suspicious activity by contacting the police in confidence on 0800 789 321.”

    Use this information wisely.

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    • nuko147@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And i thought police in the V for Vendetta movie was extreme. Reality is a bitch.

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  • Jakule17@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Luckily I’m not from Terf island (although things aren’t looking so good around here either), but I support Palestine action

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    and they are already jailing people

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  • catty@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There needs to be more discussion around separating the country of Israel from its dominate religion. So when people refer to the systematic murder organised by the country, it’s understood that it doesn’t make any reference to the Jewish people.

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    • rumimevlevi@lemmings.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      People who accuse anti israel occupation of being antisemitic know very well that it’s not the case

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  • catty@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is this really to appease Trump (maybe as part of the 10% tariffs)?

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  • MetalMachine@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Time to make a new group and to spite them call it “palestine 2 action”

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    • alt_xa_23@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      2 Palestine 2 Action

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  • tane@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Every British politician belongs in a mass grave. Just a total stain on humanity

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah but that’s been the opinion of the British public since the 1960s. Calling every British politician a useless skidmark (preferably to their face) is as close as we get to patriotism.

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    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Save some room for the American politicians though please too.

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    • IcyToes@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dangerous and many voted against in. We already had politicians dead across both sides of the pond. Shouldn’t be encouraging this BS.

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As long as you don’t touch Corbyn

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      • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Bah, he can get in the sea as well, he supported brexit

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are few things I like about being an American, but one of them is the first amendment. It doesn’t always work, and Trump is sure to try some shit like this soon, but at least I know for now I won’t go to prison for saying that I do indeed support Palestine Action

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    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As long they can send people to torture prisons without due process or evidence, we do NOT have a First Amendment.

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      • lemmylump@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Or a 5th or 14th amendment

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    • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You could absolutely go to prison for it. A group of people in an unmarked van can grab you, send you to a prison in your country or even somewhere else, where you will be tortured possibly to death, and even if there will be an international fuss about it, nobody will ever do anything about it.
      There is no more laws in your country, none.

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I could, because our rights are not bulletproof. That said, it’s not a given that I will go to jail for being against genocide

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  • OccamsRazer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It started during covid, but nobody cared because the people being locked up were anti vaxxers. It didn’t stop there. It never does.

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    • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Give us literally one example of someone being thrown in prison for expressing anti vax views, we’ll all wait.

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      • OccamsRazer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        these guys got arrested, but not sure if they served jail time.

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    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The UK arrested people for being anti vax??

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      • OccamsRazer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        here you go

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  • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m tired, boss

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  • ramenbelly@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    SHOULD CHANT IT WHILE LOOTING LONDON

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  • peteyestee@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    1st worlds suck.

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  • ramenbelly@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    UK , USA , who’s next ???

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  • Clbull@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m more shocked it hasn’t already happened to Extinction Rebellion, Insulate Britain or Just Stop Oil.

    But I guess blockading motorways and rocking up to art museums dressed like extras from a Wham music video and defacing paintings makes you less of a threat than wanting Netanyahu to stop his genocide of the Palestinian people.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They get too much money from it. The things you listed are visible and awful, But, money…

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    • laserm@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Still, calling blocking motorways and defacing painting terrorism is a stretch.

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      • Clbull@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And that’s pretty much what Action Palestine did.

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  • splonglo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not only is the ruling wrong - it is the very thing it claims to be opposing. It is itself an act of terrorism, carried out with the intention of inspiring fear in the British public to further a political agenda.

    In every way, the British government is replicating the actions it accuses PA of - except that the scale of harm to British society and the terror inspired is magnitudes greater, and performed in service of the opposite political goal.

    This is a terror attack by the government against the British people.

    The British people’s opinion and will are the thing from which the goverment gains it’s only source of legitimacy - and they do not line up with the government on this issue. But evidently the government believes in a different model of legitimacy: they believe that legitimacy is derived from the mere fact that they hold power. In the mind of the government and it’s supporters, the difference between a terrorist organisation and a legitimate goverment is just power and only power. To them, right and wrong has absolutely nothing to do with it. They think that they are winning, and that they are going to get away with it. Nothing else matters.

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    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But evidently the government believes in a different model of legitimacy: they believe that legitimacy is derived from the mere fact that they hold power.

      *Macht macht Recht"

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    • Ileftreddit@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ignorance is strength freedom is slavery war is peace

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  • Toneswirly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    change the name of your org, make them play wack-a-mole.

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    • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Rename it to “Israel Action” (as in, action against Israel)

      Then call them antisemitic when they move to ban it.

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    • gedhrel@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There appears to be something of a rebrand to “Yvette Cooper”.

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  • khaleer@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s good reason to remind people, that law is written by particular people, mostly to protect those people interests.

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  • kreskin@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Feeding, housing and guarding someone for 14 years has got to be ridiculously expensive. All for uttering a few words.

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    • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do prisoners in the UK do slave labor like in the US?

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      • jnod4@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not yet

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  • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They can take it to EU court. oops haha. This is why the elites pushed for Brexit. It wasn’t just to repatriate their money from Cayman Islands tax free. It’s so they can suppress anyone that doesn’t bend the knee.

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    • svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The UK is still a party to the European Convention on Human Rights.

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      • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Any major difference to the universal declaration on human rights?

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just to be clear because everybody seems to be missing this point.

    Palestinian Action, is an organisation. Membership of that group is banned, it is not illegal to support Palestinians or to call out Israel’s genocide. The government doesn’t like it when you do, but it’s not actually illegal for you to do it.

    This organisation broke into a UK air force base in order to protest. They are not being charged because they protested, they’re being charged for breaking in and damaging a lot of military equipment. I think it’s a bit far to call them terrorists, but you can sort of see the government’s point, if you squint.

    The UK government does however absolutely deserve to get it in the neck for their support of Israel. Labour have had a pretty awkward relationship with Israel in particular and anti-Semitism in general for a long time, and they’re now keen to be seen as supporters, but there are limits.

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    • kntmonmostro@lemmings.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “Damaging” they threw red paint at planes.

      Meanwhile, british citizens are perfectly free to go volonteer for the IDF

      questions-statements.parliament.uk/…/6895

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      • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah which is damaging.

        I am simply providing information here I am not providing my personal opinion. Please stop trying togenerate arguement where non-exists the waters are already muddied enough.

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