Really? That’s kinda fucked up. How did such a law actually get passed? Who assented to this shit?
In 6 hours it will be illegal to say "I support Palestine Action" in the UK, with a sentence of up to 14 years in prison.
Submitted 2 months ago by als@lemmy.blahaj.zone to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
MITM0@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There are terrorists in the Govt duh, that’s how.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Surely there is a typo in the headline, only Russia, land of the washing machine CPUs, puts people in jail for words.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Make signs that say “I support ________ ______” and let the media fill in the blanks for you.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Death to Pissrael!!!
Jakule17@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Luckily I’m not from Terf island (although things aren’t looking so good around here either), but I support Palestine action
LostWon@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Sultana somewhat marred that excellence earlier today by insisting on sticking to the line that the planes at Brize Norton were “connected” with flights over Gaza, which they were not. Sticking to that story makes it easier to discount their better reasoning.
Zephorah@discuss.online 2 months ago
At risk of sounding like that dipshit Vance, you guys don’t have free speech, not really. The uk seems to exist in a “yes, but no” realm. The press can’t report on trials such that it might influence outcome. 1988 law iirc. That’s smart, but it’s still a guardrail on speech. Some of the arrests and even sentences over there, for speech and sometimes even ideology related infractions, are a bit wild. I remember reading something about a woman being fined for calling her ex a leprechaun on social media.
That said, I feel a need to reiterate how crazy this defense of war and slaughter is. I’ve been a casual observer at best but I do not understand why either government cares if a people across an ocean (who are not and never will be boots on the ground for either side of this war) say they don’t like a war. So what? The war will rage on regardless of wether or not college students in Michigan walk around outside on a nice day holding signs. Or if some guy in London posts an objection on social media. That’s not even a speed bump to this war or either government if either government even sees or hears any of it. So why does either government even care? Why even spend energy on that? For them, it’s like a volume setting that maybe can’t be turned to zero, but in the end it’s just a bit of noise to them. So why bother? The war will continue. As such, their reaction makes no sense whatsoever.
mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I think it makes sense when you consider there are many government workers who do not support the genocide of Palestinians, and would be more vocal about it if they the political capital that, say, a large protest nets you.
It’s actually possible to end this with only the ingredients we have available right now.
Toneswirly@lemmy.world 2 months ago
change the name of your org, make them play wack-a-mole.
gedhrel@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There appears to be something of a rebrand to “Yvette Cooper”.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Rename it to “Israel Action” (as in, action against Israel)
Then call them antisemitic when they move to ban it.
canajac@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
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Come and get me!!!
2020ish…Two Presidents team up to create a world without Palestinians. 1940ish…Two dictators team up to create a world without Jews.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They can take it to EU court. oops haha. This is why the elites pushed for Brexit. It wasn’t just to repatriate their money from Cayman Islands tax free. It’s so they can suppress anyone that doesn’t bend the knee.
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
The UK is still a party to the European Convention on Human Rights.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Any major difference to the universal declaration on human rights?
matlag@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
So, if they shut down and a new org called “Palestine Initiative” that happens to be coincidentally led by the same folks… all good?
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If you’re serious, no, not all good. By UK law any organization led by the same people will automatically be labeled a terrorist organization.
sirico@feddit.uk 2 months ago
home sectary put it with neo-Nazis. You don’t want to back neo-Nazis, do you?
fox2263@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sorry what
I was bad enough when Boris made protests illegal (did that ever go through) but this? This is disgusting.
How can Labour just do own goals day after day I do not know. At this point they’re just a continuation of the sad fucking state of Tory cabinets. From A team to B to D (was Rishi D? ) to fucking a big capital F with starmer. I had such high hopes for them in the first week. Such lofty promises. But they’ve consistently let me down on an actual weekly basis.
It’s incredible really.
Part4@infosec.pub 2 months ago
[deleted]fox2263@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes I foresaw Reforms rise during the election and discussed at length how it’s highly likely they will win the next one.
It’s incredible how they’re able to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. There’s a flag on someone’s fence round the corner from me. A giant union flag with a reform banner underneath saying make Britain great again or something to that effect. A play on the words of Great Britain.
I feel like I need to deface it but like how a teacher would mark wrong work. They will not do anything of the sort. They’re liars, charlatans and grifters pretending to be about the people.
They will reform government alright, but not in the way the people would want or need.
I grew up in the 90s and to me everything was truly great until 2012. And then Nick Clegg personally fucked me over with university fees, and that’s when I realised the current political landscape isn’t for us. It’s just for them.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Perfectly described. I am so ashamed that my vote gave us this. I did not expect greatness, just not Tory evil. How wrong I was.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 months ago
The Tories would have done the exact same thing, so we’re not in any worse situation than we would have been.
aceshigh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Can someone explain why so many countries support what’s happening in Palestine? Whats going on behind the scenes here?
testfactor@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I do think the situation is more complicated than Lemmy would have you believe.
Both Iran and Hamas have been geopolitical issues for a long time. And it’s worth remembering that all of this was kicked off by a large scale terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas.
It’s also worth noting that Iran is a Russian puppet, and Europe obviously has some “neighbor problems” with Russia at the moment, so there’s a sort of baked in desire to oppose their vassal states.
And, while I think everyone would agree that the loss of civilian life is terrible, there is a huge amount of misinformation that makes it hard to be sure what’s going on. Hamas does have a long history of screwing over the civilian Palestinian population to further it’s political goals, and so people are willing to give Israel a little more credence than they deserve when they claim things like “Hamas was hiding in that hospital” or “we’re blocking aid because Hamas is hoarding it all to drive up tensions” or “it was Hamas who shot those civilians,” because it actually wouldn’t be the first time any of that had credibly happened. Something of a boy-cried-wolf scenario.
Add into that genuine desire to combat real anti-Semitism that’s been a fallout of this whole situation (a problem that hits pretty close to home in Europe due to events of the past century), and you can see why some people might be a bit over-eager to support Israel in this conflict.
It’s worth noting there are no good guys here. Israel is obviously in the wrong, and are committing horrible atrocities. I think that much is plain on its face. But Hamas and Iran have both had “the destruction of the state of Israel” as stated policy goals for the past 80 years. The reason Israel has the Iron Dome is because they’ve been getting missiles lobbed at them non-stop for decades.
And when there are no good guys, people tend to just align themselves with who they like more, or who they owe more to.
luminn@lemmy.eco.br 2 months ago
And it’s worth remembering that all of this was kicked off by a large scale terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas. This is insane when Israel was killing Palestinians years before Hamas even existed.
The Nakba happened 40 years before they existed.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Both Iran and Hamas have been geopolitical issues for a long time. And it’s worth remembering that all of this was kicked off by a large scale terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas.
Propaganda is deeply effective because most people’s world events attention span is like a dog that sees a squirrel. History starts at the chosen squirrel event, and of course, geopolitics is viewed as “Us the good guys” vs. “those who fail to obey us”.
Your rant was praised as balanced, but is simply the official justification for colonial apartheid turned genocide our rulers, in submission to our own colonial masters, dictate upon us.
LadyButterfly@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s a really balanced comment and I’m sorry you’re getting downvoted for it.
alyth@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If you look at history most western countries have committed genocide or invasion in very recent history. Either in the context of WWII, colonialism or economic interests. Countries don’t magically change over night. Wouldn’t it be more surprising if they didn’t support their ally?
Redredme@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Most
westerncountries have committed genocide or invasion in very recent history. Either in the context of WWII, colonialism or economic interests.Countriespeople don’t magically change over night. Wouldn’t it be more surprising if they didn’t support their ally?There. Fixed that for you. Dont have to thank me, its good.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Big Israeli lobby. Bribes and Epstein blackmail.
bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
The idea that the actions of world powers are in any way governed by morality is largely a myth. Politicians will try to twist reality and use morality to justify killing people abroad and sometimes morality does align with their interests by coincidence.
But the motivations are always about furthering financial and strategic interests. See the overthrow of the Iranian regime in 1953 to protect oil interests, CIA coups and supporting murderous dictators in countless South American and other countries around the world, the recent Iraq war etc. If a government gets elected somewhere that would threaten our business interests (by taxing or nationalising them for example), we have historically supported bloody coups to remove them and install murderous facist regimes that enable us to keep making money at the cost of countless innocent lives.
Strategic in the sense that we prevent other powers in a region from becoming strong enough to challenge us. Keeping ourselves on top and in charge by keeping others down. Israel is a valuable ally in this regard - they maintain power in the region by keeping others down and keep them focused more on destroying Israel than attacking us.
Palestinian lives aren’t important to our governments. They have no real power and there’s no real profit to be made from them. Our strategic interest in supporting Israel will always trump any humanitarian interest in preventing genocide.
brot@feddit.org 2 months ago
Let’s be honest: No country would act different from Israel when facing a situation as with Gaza. No country could tolerate an attack like Oct 7th on its territory, esp with everything that happened before with all the rocket and suicide attacks. Just think about how the Americans reacted to 9/11. They started bombing Afghanistan and Iraq even if both countries really didn’t have much to do with 9/11. In this case it would be a scenario like “9/11 was done by a narco cartel in a small part of Mexico where central authority lost control” or something like that.
Combine it with the fact that all western states have no sympathies for islamist extremists like Hamas, because they are not muslim and also because most western states suffered from islamist attacks. Most states also see Hamas (an Hezbollah) as an Iranian proxy militia (which they are) and have also no sympathies to Iran, its theocratic dictatorship, its nuclear program and its military alliance with Russia.
ultranaut@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I don’t think this is honesty because you are only addressing Hamas. Of course any nation would respond to an Oct. 7th type event, but Israel has very obviously gone far beyond that. The pogroms in the West Bank for example, there’s no connection between Hamas and the villages being emptied and seized. Smotrich and his ilk have been very explicit about the intent of Israeli actions.
ramenbelly@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
SHOULD CHANT IT WHILE LOOTING LONDON
ramenbelly@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
UK , USA , who’s next ???
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Isn’t this the group that broke into a military airbase and damage several aircraft resulting in million of pounds worth of damages? I mean the security breach and the intent to maliciously damage the equipment is more than enough grounds to label the group as a terrorist group. If a right wing group or any other groups did this, everybody here would be calling them terrorists, and rightfully so. It makes sense for the UK to label this group as such, especially since they didn’t disavow the attack that happened.
The people who are trying to frame this as an attack on free speech are either full of shit and intentionally spreading misinformation or they’re ignorant enough to get their information from people who are full of shit and intentionally misinformation. This is something that clearly has nothing to do with free speech.
febra@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No, damaging property doesn’t amount to terrorism. What world do you live in?
What most people understand as terrorism is the spreading of terror in the general population. Last time I checked, no one felt terrorized because some planes got spray painted.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes it does. In the UK, terrorism is defined more broadly, and the actions of this groups fall firmly within their legal definitions, hence why they were so swift with this designation.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
It may also be illegal to refuse to give over passwords for your devices. For trivial stuff this doesn’t apply but a terrorist group it likely does.
So remember to practice good data security.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m tired, boss
hellfire103@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
15 minutes to go! If you’re gonna say it, be quick!
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Ah it’s referring to a particular organization, Palestine Action
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 months ago
and they are already jailing people
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 2 months ago
Freedom of speech anyone?
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 2 months ago
the group broke into RAF Brize Norton, vandalizing and damaging two Royal Air Force Airbus A330 MRTT refuelling planes by spraying paint into their engines
Doing extremistic things and being surprised to be classified as extremists… Ahm… Alright…
will be illegal to say “I support Palestine Action”
Just say “I support Palestine” instead. Problem solved…
crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 months ago
This is actually a big deal. They’ve been proscribed as terrorists in the same way as ISIS, Hezbollah, Atomwaffen etc.
They are a direct action protest group, and they are criminals (at least the members that vandalised property) but they aren’t terrorists. And now, under UK law, expressing support for them is an offence. This is a huge misuse of terrorism legislation. 27 people were arrested yesterday for recording their support for Palestine Action.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It started during covid, but nobody cared because the people being locked up were anti vaxxers. It didn’t stop there. It never does.
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Give us literally one example of someone being thrown in prison for expressing anti vax views, we’ll all wait.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
these guys got arrested, but not sure if they served jail time.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Does free speech or democracy exist if the oligarchs/states that buy your politicians/rulers force you to support those states? What would Idi Amin do (perhaps most self enriching open corrupt ruler, or the narrative that gets pinned on a ruler who shifts away from US empire)? Or as in history, UK first decided it was illegal to oppose Idi Amin (support his rivals) to later being illegal to support Idi Amin?
“To know who rules over you, notice who you are not allowed to criticize”
IIUC, it is only Palestine support that is illegal. You may still advocate for UK/NATO war on Israel or at least elimination of support, and elimination of politicians who support Israel. Limiting speech to support for all wars your rulers prefer is the most oppressive of democratic speech.
LadyButterfly@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s a particular group not Palestine in general. The headline is misleading
Griffus@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Does the colonies have too much power over The Commonwealth?
dastanktal@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Look at the United Kingdom giving the United States a run for their money.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
after brexit, nothing was ever the same, they fell for russian propaganda just like the US did, and us is basically going through the initial stages of “USEXIT”
oo1@lemmings.world 2 months ago
After 1979 really, but more realistically the rot set in a bit earlier in the 70s when the banks were given the power to start cannibalising the economy and got away with blaming the damage on trade unions and OPEC.
Pretty similar timeline for US, i think more or less after JFK when they started destroying FDR legacy.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website 2 months ago
exit from what?