Well. You’ll just have to write it somewhere. In paint perhaps. Maybe on a government building.
In 6 hours it will be illegal to say "I support Palestine Action" in the UK, with a sentence of up to 14 years in prison.
Submitted 8 months ago by als@lemmy.blahaj.zone to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 8 months ago
csverdad@midwest.social 8 months ago
The most widely celebrated circumstance in the world is being rid of the British government. It’s spawned many holidays.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
It is of course somewhat disingenuous to equate the empire to the modern British government. In much the same way that it makes no sense to say that Japan in its current form has any relation to feudal Japan.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Only difference is that they now only have a fraction of their power.
OTOH they 100% have the same horrible attitude.
Like the declining US now doesn’t realise they aren’t top dog anymore, the Brits who have been surpassed by them for a century still delude themselves and think they can and should dictate what the world should do.
Glad we had Brexit.
Always causing trouble and wanting it their way.
Embarrassing.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Isn’t this the group that broke into a military airbase and damage several aircraft resulting in million of pounds worth of damages? I mean the security breach and the intent to maliciously damage the equipment is more than enough grounds to label the group as a terrorist group. If a right wing group or any other groups did this, everybody here would be calling them terrorists, and rightfully so. It makes sense for the UK to label this group as such, especially since they didn’t disavow the attack that happened.
The people who are trying to frame this as an attack on free speech are either full of shit and intentionally spreading misinformation or they’re ignorant enough to get their information from people who are full of shit and intentionally misinformation. This is something that clearly has nothing to do with free speech.
febra@lemmy.world 8 months ago
No, damaging property doesn’t amount to terrorism. What world do you live in?
What most people understand as terrorism is the spreading of terror in the general population. Last time I checked, no one felt terrorized because some planes got spray painted.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes it does. In the UK, terrorism is defined more broadly, and the actions of this groups fall firmly within their legal definitions, hence why they were so swift with this designation.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Or at this point, 7 hours ago.
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Labour are class traitors.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
So said Orwell many, many decades ago and people still vote for theae shitstains. There was some slight chance under Corbin but people want more Tory, so here we are.
Tomato666@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Well Corbyn has just started a new party…
Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Capitalism is genocidal. End capitalism!
Sidhean@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Crazy. I thought Palestine Action was oddly capitalized. They’re a fucking group. They’re an organization- I thought they were banning supporting ending a genocide, but they’re shutting down a based and vandal-pilled activist group.
Uh, I’ve never heard of them but fuck it. I support Palestine Action. You can’t just censor people or opinions out of existence. wtf
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Theyre a russian backed terrorist group who literally just cause mischief and damage.
kntmonmostro@lemmings.world 8 months ago
They threw paint at fighter planes. You are a denialist spreading propaganda.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Really? That’s kinda fucked up. How did such a law actually get passed? Who assented to this shit?
MITM0@lemmy.world 8 months ago
There are terrorists in the Govt duh, that’s how.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 8 months ago
checks post, 9h
sets VPN to UK
“I support Palestine Action”
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Just to be clear as much as this is an abhorrent thing for them to do, it won’t result in anything. The people who they have arrested have already been charged, so this changing the law doesn’t have any effect on that legal decision and pretty much no one else is associated with them.
They’re a very small very vocal activist group. The general feeling is that they actually did go too far on this. They are not banning protests in general just this particular organisation, which in fairness, did break into a military base so I don’t know what they expect it to happen.
So you’re probably safe from oppression, even if you were actually in the UK.
0x0@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
The general feeling is that they actually did go too far on this.
Vandalizing military equipment to protest against a genocide doesn’t strike me as “too far”.
jasonthedragon442@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Breaking into a military base is basically the opposite of terrorism
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Death Death to the IDF!
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
Freedom of speech anyone?
dastanktal@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Look at the United Kingdom giving the United States a run for their money.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 months ago
after brexit, nothing was ever the same, they fell for russian propaganda just like the US did, and us is basically going through the initial stages of “USEXIT”
oo1@lemmings.world 8 months ago
After 1979 really, but more realistically the rot set in a bit earlier in the 70s when the banks were given the power to start cannibalising the economy and got away with blaming the damage on trade unions and OPEC.
Pretty similar timeline for US, i think more or less after JFK when they started destroying FDR legacy.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Surely there is a typo in the headline, only Russia, land of the washing machine CPUs, puts people in jail for words.
rekabis@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
So the UK is now officially pro-genocide?
Good to know.
febra@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Haven’t they always been pro genocide?
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Ever heard of Churchill and what he (and other British people) did in India? He starved millions to death. Look up Bengali famine.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ever heard of the East India Company?
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
It the Irish potato famine?
hopesdead@startrek.website 8 months ago
Bro. Great Britain is responsible for this whole mess: it’s called the Balfour Declaration.
jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Well, yes and no. It’s true we started it. But then we had bigger fish to fry and handed it off to the UN. Who could have dissolved the whole thing and returned it to the previous state, but chose not to.
Almacca@aussie.zone 8 months ago
:gestures broadly at history:
matlag@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
So, if they shut down and a new org called “Palestine Initiative” that happens to be coincidentally led by the same folks… all good?
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If you’re serious, no, not all good. By UK law any organization led by the same people will automatically be labeled a terrorist organization.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I support Palestinian action in the UK
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They are doing this because Palestine Action has been incredibly effective. They have already forced the closure of two factories in England that produce arms for Israeli defense company Elbit and forced Barclays Bank to divest through sustained sabotage campaigns. No person has been hurt by their actions, yet these actions have cost the genocide supporters millions of pounds and caused months-long disruptions to the production of weapons used in ethnic clean songs around the globe (Elbit weapons are fueling not just the Palestine ethnic cleaning, but Kashmir and DRC, too).
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Wow protestors these days will stoop to the level of wisely putting pressure on major companies supporting genocide?!?
First property damage and now this??
clutches plastic pearls
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Mossad has insane control over the world
hellfire103@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
15 minutes to go! If you’re gonna say it, be quick!
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Is it Illegal to say
“It is illegal to say…
I support Palestine Action.”
?
parody@lemmings.world 8 months ago
In the US don’t judges get to put on their reasonable person hat and see through little loopholes sometimes (obviously not always)?
Wonder about the UK, point is I’d only play around if I weren’t afraid of prison (I’m not strong enough to become a martyr for much of anything, pretty weak)
oo1@lemmings.world 8 months ago
Back in the time after 9:11 they (the red coloured torys) passed some draconian anti-terror laws in the UK (well at least in England and Wales, I’m not so sure about Scotland and Norniron), basically no habeas corpus if the word “terrorism” is involved.
They were exactly worried that judges might put on a ‘reasonable person’ wig, or do something even more damaging to the free world like ask to see some evidence.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Flashback to…
Did you know that it’s illegal to say “I want to kill the president of the United States of America”?
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
It may also be illegal to refuse to give over passwords for your devices. For trivial stuff this doesn’t apply but a terrorist group it likely does.
So remember to practice good data security.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Let me refine: “Fuck the Israeli government!” I have no beef with the country / people insofar as they hate their genocidal government.
0x0@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
they hate their genocidal government.
Do they though? They’re brainwashed since kids at school and serving in the military is mandatory (both genders, very egalitarian), so i wonder what percentage is actually against and what are they doing.
parody@lemmings.world 8 months ago
Really important distinction
Oh 99% (quite a bit less of course) of Israelis support genocide, then fuck Israel! No, you don’t throw babies out with bath water, even when they’re the worst and you’re mad as you should be.
Fuck any genocidal Israeli assholes, but Israel is too big to go blanket on them like this.
Why aren’t we antisemitic, b/c we know what words mean and we’re not antisemitic. Let’s talk like both those are true too.
Netanyahu should lick my pickled taint until he stops murdering kids
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
insofar as they hate their genocidal government.
Recent polling shows only 19% of the Israeli population don’t support the genocide
Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 months ago
insofar as they hate their genocidal government.
The one they continuously support and have for decades?
The only issue they have with Netanyahu is the corruption.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 8 months ago
i have bad news for you in regards to what israelis think about the genocide
Lucky_777@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Looks like the UK is going down the American road here. It’s time for all those UK citizens that said, “Rise up now!” to Americans months ago…time to rise up! Give us a great example!
Oh, you can’t because you have to work for a living? How about that…
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Palestine action is the group that broke into army bases on behalf of the FSB.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Going down?
JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
UK has always had that 1984/Brazil (the movie, not the not-movie) vibe; it wasn’t all just pulled out of Orwell’s magic butt.
mriswith@lemmy.world 8 months ago
There is also legislation that can be used to arrest most protestors. And you can face a multi-year prison sentence if you say something wrong on social media.
The UK is actually further along the dystopian path than the USA in some ways, but as is tradition they are trying to pretend it’s not happening.
Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 8 months ago
During the Korean war a British unit was being overrun by the Chinese. The American general asked the British Colonel how things where and the Colonel said its a bit hairy. While the American general took this to mean they are ok. They got overrun and everyone in the unit was killed or captured.
Agent641@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Make signs that say “I support ________ ______” and let the media fill in the blanks for you.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Ah it’s referring to a particular organization, Palestine Action
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Death to Pissrael!!!
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 8 months ago
The harder they push pro-Israel, the more anti-Israel everyone is going to get.
You can’t bully us into supporting a genocidal regime.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I have a feeling they can. If all discourse over social media is anti Palestine and no one can refute in I give it 10 years max before it would just be a frothing hate for Palestinians with a significant amount of the population.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 8 months ago
They are already trying to do this and failing miserably at it. Censorship itself is an admission of guilt and is something that people are really starting to understand. That’s basically the point of my original comment: the harder they try to stop dissent, the more guilty they look.
grue@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is why the Fediverse and VPNs/Tor etc. are so important.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
My fucking brain is so fried.
Both my parents were in World War II. They fought against fascism. I was brought up to feel for what happened to the Jews during that war. Now all I see is that they seem to be being worse than the actual Nazis.
0x0@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I was brought up to feel for what happened to the Jews during that war.
And neglected to mention that it wasn’t just jews but anyone the nazis didn’t like, such as gays, communists, other races, etc.
DogWater@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Do not conflate Jewish people with Israel
That is a very important distinction
Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 months ago
Yeah, nah.
The only people who win when you conflate Israel with all Jewish people are Zionists and Neo-Nazis.
novibe@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Israel =/= the “Jews”.
Israel’s founders were actually very prejudiced against Jews that survived the holocaust. And much more against the ones that didn’t actually…
timewarp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What Israel is doing is very much Nazi like. But saying such will get you banned on Mastodon.social, and probably prosecuted in places like Germany.
fox2263@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Sorry what
I was bad enough when Boris made protests illegal (did that ever go through) but this? This is disgusting.
How can Labour just do own goals day after day I do not know. At this point they’re just a continuation of the sad fucking state of Tory cabinets. From A team to B to D (was Rishi D? ) to fucking a big capital F with starmer. I had such high hopes for them in the first week. Such lofty promises. But they’ve consistently let me down on an actual weekly basis.
It’s incredible really.
Part4@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I hear Corbyn is starting a party
fox2263@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes I foresaw Reforms rise during the election and discussed at length how it’s highly likely they will win the next one.
It’s incredible how they’re able to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. There’s a flag on someone’s fence round the corner from me. A giant union flag with a reform banner underneath saying make Britain great again or something to that effect. A play on the words of Great Britain.
I feel like I need to deface it but like how a teacher would mark wrong work. They will not do anything of the sort. They’re liars, charlatans and grifters pretending to be about the people.
They will reform government alright, but not in the way the people would want or need.
I grew up in the 90s and to me everything was truly great until 2012. And then Nick Clegg personally fucked me over with university fees, and that’s when I realised the current political landscape isn’t for us. It’s just for them.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Perfectly described. I am so ashamed that my vote gave us this. I did not expect greatness, just not Tory evil. How wrong I was.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
The Tories would have done the exact same thing, so we’re not in any worse situation than we would have been.