I dual boot but I’m on Windows 11 for my windows partition because the fucking thing just upgraded itself one day.
6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
Submitted 1 year ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Valon_Blue@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Come to Linux, it’s all I’ve used since Windows 7 and it works great.
victorz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I play only on Linux, and it works great. Come on over!
MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social 1 year ago
I’ll be switching fully to Linux this summer, but will also upgrade windows 10 to 11 on the last week of support. I’ll only use it then if I have to, on a separate drive.
towelie@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Already did and it’s glorious! Steam works beautifully and the only final thing that I’m missing Iis Adobe products
Saucepain@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Outside of Steam, how have you found gaming compatibility? I know Xbox Gamepass doesn’t work as that’s very specifically a Windows app, but how about other standalone games/platforms?
towelie@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Outside of steam will be a case by case basis. I wouldn’t expect a lot of luck, and it may require that you use a compatibility layer like Wine.
swag_money@lemmy.world 1 year ago
maybe give debian testing a go for a little more up to date software :)
axh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not having access to Adobe products is a feature not a bug.
Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
If you’re into primarily gaming, try PikaOS. It’s Debian based and uses the same tooling, but it’s on an optimized kernel. Is generally geared toward gaming.
bread@feddit.nl 1 year ago
As long as you’re running KDE, it will feel familiar to a Windows user. I started with Kubuntu which was great until I had a system update, and it completely shat itself. Wanted to try Bazzite next, but the installer wouldn’t work properly, so I installed OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and I’ve seen no reason to switch since.
merc@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I completely disagree. Debian is not beginner-friendly. Go with Bazzite if your focus is gaming.
It is a gaming-focused distribution. It’s also an “atomic” distribution, which basically means it’s really hard to break it. It’s more like Android or IOS where the OS and base system are managed by someone else. They’re read-only so you can’t accidentally break them.
For example, instead of trying to manage your own video card drivers, they come packaged with the base system image, and they’re tested to make sure they work with all the other base components.
I’ve been using Linux since the 1990s, so I’ve run my share of distributions: Slackware, RedHat, Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, etc. Even for someone experienced, atomic distributions are great. But, for a newcomer they’re so much better.
Dave@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
How does Bazzite fare when I want to do something a bit different. Install docker, Python, PHP, sqlite, etc. I’d normally just install them, but does this work for Bazzite and other atomic/immutable distros?
histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
In what world is a Debian base not beginner friendly my fiancé that could barely use windows is using it just fine
towelie@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I find this interesting as I’m a beginner with only about 3 months of Linux use under my belt, whereas Ive used Windows since I was like 5 years old. I was originally recommended Mint, like many are, and I found the experience to be a negative one as opposed to my later experience with Debian. (Note I have no experience with Bazzite or any other distros).
The additional ‘bloat’ in Mint obfuscated from me various aspects of Linux. It insulated me from learning how Linux is different from Windows, and that actually hindered me from understanding the OS. By starting with Debian I got a feel for using the CLI, setting up my drivers, package installer, and desktop environment. And, while those aspects can be complicated for new users, i think its somewhat necessary if its going to be recommended them as their OS.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I went with Mint but I’m thinking about KDE (or maybe KDE flavored Arch? Idk I’m new) on my second computer. Pretty painless?
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 year ago
I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
Damage@feddit.it 1 year ago
Eh Arch can be quite stable if you’re careful, but it could also be a frustrating experience, there’s lots of manual configuration
towelie@lemm.ee 1 year ago
So Mint is the ‘distro’, which is actually based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian. In simple terms, a distro is a bundle of programs and configurations assembled for you. Basically, Debian is a stripped down version of Mint.
A ‘desktop environment’ is a separate program(?) that changes what your desktop looks like, and they can be downloaded on any distro. So you can try out KDE Plasma on your Mint installation! The one that you’re likely using right now is called ‘Cinnamon’, which I personally didn’t like and turned me off of Linux my first time trying to switch over years ago.
Something cool about KDE Plasma is that you can download themes and make your desktop environments look really cool. For instance, sometimes I like to rock this Windows 7 theme: gitgud.io/wackyideas/aerothemeplasma/
Cris16228@lemmy.today 1 year ago
and the only final thing that I’m missing is Adobe products.
I miss Affinity Designer! Bought a license and I like it but no linux port 🙄
I can’t get used Inkscape, it’s so different and confusing for me
towelie@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Have you ever seen how to draw a circle in GIMP?
kuneho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
for newcomers, maybe this is the best combo. Debian stable with KDE Plasma.
metaldream@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Debian is not a good choice for beginners. It’s extremely bare bones compared to Ubuntu or Mint.
Drivers on Debian stable are also heavily outdated
jimerson@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Unless you’re using NVIDIA. Didn’t work out of the box for me and required a couple hours of fiddling. Mint worked seamlessly.
corroded@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Windows 10 IoT LTSC has support until 2032. Just saying…
blomvik@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
My gaming 'puter is running win 10, and the plan is to replace it with one running Manjaro. Will have to see when that happens, not upgrading to win 11.
victorz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I upgraded as soon as I had the chance, to Windows 11. But I never boot into it because my games run absolutely fine on Arch using Steam and the Proton compatibility layer. 👍 No reason to boot Windows whatsoever. I can’t remember the last time I did. Every time I boot into it, the last system update finishes and a new one is available. 💀
simple@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Most people won’t budge. It doesn’t matter if Win10 is unsupported or isn’t getting a security update, I reckon a solid 40 of 43% will just stay on it until programs they use stop working.
GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Yep. I’m embarrassed to admit it, but valve dropping support for windows 7 was what made me switch to linux. Until the computer stops working for the average user, they won’t change.
brightandshinyobject@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Windows 10 ltsc massgrave.dev
emb@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yep, I feel like people overestimate how much anyone cares about official support or security patches or whatever. People will assume it’s fine until they’re either forced out or something goes horribly wrong.
Regular folks will most likely let it be if possible, until it’s time for a new PC anyway.
blandfordforever@lemm.ee 1 year ago
My brother in law was still using windows 7 and it had never occurred to him that this might be a security risk. Normal people don’t care.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
Like the climate
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah I’m just going to stick on Win 10 for a while. Apparently the enterprise version is getting support for longer so maybe I’ll see if I can get on that.
justsquigglez@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Basically my plan until I can scrounge enough money up for a new computer. My current one literally won’t let me upgrade due to some component/driver it lacks.
beastlykings@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Definitely you should look into Linux, it’s really gotten quite good. Especially if you don’t need games with anti cheat.
But if you just want to use Windows 11, it’s super duper easy. Just Google “download Windows 11 iso” and grab the iso file from Microsoft website.
Then download Rufus.
Then pop in a thumb drive that’s at least 8gb. Open Rufus, select your thumb drive and the iso, then choose the option to remove windows requirements, then click start.
Backup your files on Windows 10, save them somewhere. Then pop in the thumb drive and install windows 11 fresh.
The requirements aren’t actually required. Win 11 runs fine on all sorts of hardware. Support stops at 8th Gen Intel, but I’ve installed it on 5th Gen. My work laptop is 2nd or 3rd Gen. It’s fine 🤷♂️
Technically less secure? Yeah, in some ways. But it’s miles ahead of running unpatched windows 10 after September.
KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 1 year ago
For some of the hardware requirements, there are edits you can make to get it to install, but you do have to also force it every time there is a major release, minor updates go through fine.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
It’ll let you upgrade to Linux. It doesn’t play those stupid games with you like MS does.
tyler@programming.dev 1 year ago
You can pay to keep getting windows security updates and prolong the upgrade even further.
otp@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Unfortunately, I use some software that’s Windows-only, and can’t be bothered to set up a VM or anything
omgitsaheadcrab@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yeah I’ve been Linux only since like 2012 but lately booting into windows for sim racing, that’s just not a thing on Linux it seems :(
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Plenty of sim racing on Linux. Just not iracing or (I think) rfactor.
But Automobilista 2, AC, ACC, ACEvo, Raceroom, Dirt Rally 2.0, Beam. Ng drive, and others all run fine on my gaurda machine
victorz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
can’t be bothered
That sure is unfortunate 🙃
Flemmy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It’s easier to install it than reconfiguring default Windows.
jewbacca117@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Starting to plan my next build and will likely go full Linux
cannedtuna@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Same. I just gotta figure out what distro I want to run. Nobara, Bazzite, Mint, Zorin, Kubuntu, idk. I get analysis paralysis. I’ve run Ubuntu, Fedora, and even tried Arch once, but it’s been a long while since I’ve been full Linux. I’m definitely done with Windows tho (at least outside of work, but I can’t control that).
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I’m using Garuda and it has a setup specifically for gaming. The gamer look it comes with out of the box is ugly in my opinion, but that’s easy to change.I highly recommend it. It’s Arch based, so the AUR and Arch wiki work great with it. It’s really great and (in my opinion) user friendly.
Coelacanth@feddit.nu 1 year ago
My gaming PC is on Win 11 because it’s recent and I’m lazy and it’s convenient. My laptop runs Win 10 so it’ll be Linux I guess. Not really looking forward to finding a distro and reinstalling and whatnot but what can you do. It’s been a good few years since I last had a Linux box so I’m pretty rusty and not up to date on the recent best distros.
Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
What distro did you use before?
Coelacanth@feddit.nu 1 year ago
I used to use UbuntuStudio back when I was playing around with music recording and production ages ago because it ran the real-time kernel which was important for JACK I think. Last time though was just Mint.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Only semi-related: Why do they always show pictures of Gates when he hasn’t been involved in MS in a long time? Why never Satya Nadella?
Wooki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Under his watch they did form the anti-opensource and EEE mantra
NRay7882@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Optics or marketing, it’s the same reason LLMs are all called AI.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was wondering why Bill Gates would be talking about Steam users.
b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 year ago
Because he set the general, evil directions for MS. Like keeping users uninformed and locked in, smearing the competition, sabotaging open standards, taking your control over your hardware and data away from users, etc. All happened during evil Bill’s reign.
ICastFist@programming.dev 1 year ago
Not to mention the many deals with hardware manufacturers in order to avoid competing OSs to have any chance. They managed to kill BeOS and dominate the Japanese market in the 90s
nyctre@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m here, so I’m more likely to know who that is or what he looks like. But I don’t. I do now because you mentioned him and I looked up how he looks like. Your average Joe is gonna be even less likely to know who that is or what he looks like. So I’m guessing that’s why. Some CEOs just avoid the spotlight. Or maybe I’ve just been avoiding MS news, dunno
tauren@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It’s a vicious cycle. The media don’t use Satya Nadella’s name or picture much, so people don’t know who he is or how he looks like.
UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Personally, I think this picture of Steve Balmer is so much more iconic and should be used for every single article about Microsoft or Windows:
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s weird how MS’s putting developers first became a joke. Back in the 80’s, companies like HP and IBM had open warehouses with coders at desks lined up like factory workers. MS was the first big company to give a private office to every programmer.
towelie@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I couldn’t name another Microsoft employee if a gun was to my head. but I can still vividly remember myself in 4th grade reading about Bill Gate’s mega mansion in Popular Mechanics for Kids
tyler@programming.dev 1 year ago
Holy shit I remember that article too!
pennomi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I could but that’s because a friend of mine works on the legacy rendering code in Excel. He has some traumatic war stories to share.
Pantsofmagic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m somewhat in the same boat but I remember Mister “Developers Developers Developers” Steve Ballmer who was also immortalized by the “Ballmer Peak” XKCD. xkcd.com/323/
omgitsaheadcrab@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Steve Balmer! Developers developers developers! That’s the other one I know
kungen@feddit.nu 1 year ago
It’s maybe some kind of circular logic, but my brain doesn’t recognize a picture of Satya Nadella = “Microsoft’s CEO” for some reason.
victorz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Maybe your brain would, if it had a chance to connect the two if they posted more pictures of Satya and Microsoft in the same context…
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was thinking the same thing. He will just forever be known as the guy. Maybe it will change once he dies?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Didn’t work for Steve Jobs.
n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Yep, fuck M$
Wytch@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Already moved all my PC stuff to Linux. Laptop, desktop, media server. Been wanting to do this for years. Thanks, Valve and Proton, and to all those Linux developers who made this transition possible. Fuck M$