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I’m an anarchocommunist, all states are evil.
Your local herpetology guy.
Feel free to AMA about picking a pet/reptiles in general, I have a lot of recommendations for that!
- Comment on Not for me, tho 6 hours ago:
I’m stupid and read the clock wrong and didn’t check even a little.
- Comment on To what extent has Smartphones replaced Computers? Has Smartphones replaced Computers for you or people you know? Will Phones and Computers eventually merge into one device? 6 hours ago:
Ah, so it’s not that you want it for any functional purpose, you just think it would be cheaper, understood.
- Comment on Not for me, tho 8 hours ago:
Interestingly it would be right twice a day
- Comment on To what extent has Smartphones replaced Computers? Has Smartphones replaced Computers for you or people you know? Will Phones and Computers eventually merge into one device? 8 hours ago:
My thinking is that having a desktop, laptop and phone that sync data to eachother accomplishes all of that and will do it better because they’re designed for their usecase, why not that?
- Comment on To what extent has Smartphones replaced Computers? Has Smartphones replaced Computers for you or people you know? Will Phones and Computers eventually merge into one device? 17 hours ago:
Why though?
- Comment on Fairphone announces the €599 Fairphone 6, with a 6.31" 120Hz LTPO OLED display, a Snapdragon 7s Gen 3 chip, and enhanced modularity with 12 swappable parts 2 days ago:
What are you talking about this phone is established, this is their 6th one… and the bootloader is unlocked.
- Comment on Tesla Robotaxi Freaks Out and Drives into Oncoming Traffic on First Day 4 days ago:
It found out who made it so it knew what to do
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 1 week ago:
Is that useful for completing tasks?
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 1 week ago:
How do you define consciousness?
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 2 weeks ago:
That’s not the only way to make meaningful change, getting people to give up on llms would also be meaningful change. This does very little for anyone who isn’t apple.
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 2 weeks ago:
Meaningful change is not happening because of this paper, either, I don’t know why you’re playing semantic games with me though.
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 2 weeks ago:
It does need to do that to meaninfully change anything, however.
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 2 weeks ago:
that’s very true, I’m just saying this paper did not eliminate the possibility and is thus not as significant as it sounds. If they had accomplished that, the bubble would collapse, this will not meaningfully change anything, however.
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 2 weeks ago:
It is, but this did not prove all architectures cannot reason, nor did it prove that all sets of weights cannot reason.
essentially they did not prove the issue is fundamental. And they have a pretty similar architecture, they’re all transformers trained in a similar way.
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 2 weeks ago:
those particular models.
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 2 weeks ago:
That indicates that it does not follow instructions, not that it is architecturally fundamentally incapable.
- Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. 2 weeks ago:
I think it’s important to note (i’m not an llm I know that phrase triggers you to assume I am) that they haven’t proven this as an inherent architectural issue, which I think would be the next step to the assertion.
do we know that they don’t and are incapable of reasoning, or do we just know that for x problems they jump to memorized solutions, is it possible to create an arrangement of weights that can genuinely reason, even if the current models don’t? That’s the big question that needs answered. It’s still possible that we just haven’t properly incentivized reason over memorization during training.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
I have, I simply disagree with your conclusions.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
No, the machine will and so would a conscious one. you misunderstand. This isn’t an area where a conscious machine wins.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
These have been listed repeatedly: love, think, understand, contemplate, discover, aspire, lead, philosophize, etc.
these are not tasks except maybe philosophize and discover, which even current models can do… discovery has also been done by current models.
deepmind.google/…/alphaevolve-a-gemini-powered-co…
I said a task, not a feeling, a task is a manipulation of the world to achieve a goal, not something vague and undefinable like love.
We want a machine that can tell us what to do, instead.
theres no such thing, there’s no objective right answer to this in the first place, it’s not like a conscious being we know of can do this, why would a conscious machine be able to? This is just you asking the impossible, consciousness would not help even the tiniest bit with this problem. you have to say “what to do to achieve x” for it to have meaning, which these machines could do without solving the hard problem of consciousness at all.
yet again you fail to name one valuable aspect of solving consciousness.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
Why do you expect an unthinking, non-deliberative zombie process to know what you mean by “empower humanity”? There are facts about what is GOOD and what is BAD that can only be grasped through subjective experience.
these cannot be grasped by subjective experience, and I would say nothing can possibly achieve this, not any human at all, the best we can do is poll humanity and go by approximates, which I believe is best handled by something automatic. humans can’t answer these questions in the first place, why should I trust something without subjective experience to do it any worse?
When you tell it to reduce harm, how do you know it won’t undertake a course of eugenics?
because this is unpopular, there are many things online saying not to… do you think humans are immune to this? When has consciousness ever prevented such an outcome?
How do you know it won’t see fit that people like you, by virtue of your stupidity, are culled or sterilized?
we don’t, but we also don’t with conscious beings, so there’s still no stated advantage to consciousness.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
You don’t understand the claims you’re making if you can’t explain them. Try again this time actually explaining yourself rather than just going “some guy said I’m right”, you keep doing that without engaging with the discussion, and you keep assuming the guy verified your claim when they actually verified an irrelevant one.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
That’s just because there are no consistent set of axioms for human intuition. Obviously the best you can do is approximate, and I see no reason you can’t approximate this, feel free to give me proof to the contrary but all you’ve done so far is appeal to authority and not explain your arguments.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
Jobs are not arbitrary, they’re tasks humans want another human to accomplish, an agi could accomplish all of those that a human can.
For instance, people frequently discuss AGI replacing governments. That would require the capacity for leadership. It would require independence of thought and creative deliberation. We simply cannot list (let alone program) all human goals and values. It is logically impossible to axiomatize our value systems. The values would need to be intuited. This is a very famous result in mathematics called Gödel’s first incompleteness theorem
Why do you assume we have to? Even a shitty current ai can do a decent job at this if you fact check it, better than a lot of modern politicians. Feed it the entire internet and let it figure out what humans value, why would we manually do this?
In other words, if we want to build a machine that shares our value system, we will need to do so in such a way that it can figure out our values for itself. How? Well, presumably by being conscious. I would be happy if we could do so without its being conscious, but that’s my point: nobody knows how. Nobody even knows where to begin to guess how. That’s why AGI is so problematic.
humans are conscious and have gotten no closer to doing this, ever, I see no reason to believe consciousness will help at all with this matter.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
A job is a task one human wants another to accomplish, it is not arbitrary at all.
philosophy, politics, science are among the most important non-family-oriented “jobs” we humans do. They require consciousness.
i don’t see why they do, a philosophical zombie could do it, why not an unconscious AI? alphaevolve is already making new science, I see no reason an unconscious being with the abilty to manipulate the world and verify couldn’t do these things.
Plus, if a machine does what it’s told, then someone would be telling it what to do. That’s a job that a machine cannot do. But most of our jobs are already about telling machines what to do. If an AGI is not self-directed, it can’t tell other machines what to do, unless it is itself told what to do. But then someone is telling it what to do, which is “a job.”
yes but you can give it large, vague goals like “empower humanity, do what we say and minimize harm.” And it will still do them. So what does it matter?
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
The existence of black holes has a functional purpose in physics, the existence of consciousness only has one to our subjective experience, and not one to our capabilities.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
You’ve arbitrarily defined an agi by its consciousness instead of its capabilities.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
Most people can’t identify a correct mathematical equation from an incorrect one
this is irrelevant, we’re talking about something where nobody can tell the difference.
What is “economically important labor”? Arguably the most economically important labor is giving birth, raising your children, and supporting your family. So would an AGI be some sort of inorganic uterus as well as a parent and a lover? Lol.
it means a job. That’s obviously not a job and obviously not what is meant, an interesting strategy from one who just used “what most people mean when they say”
That’s a pretty tall order, if AGI also has to do philosophy, politics, and science. All fields that require the capacity for rational deliberation and independent thought, btw.
it just has to be at least as good as a human at manipulating the world to achieve its goals, I don’t know of any other definition of agi that factors in actually meaningful tasks
an agi should be able to do almost any task a human can do at a computer. It doesn’t have to be conscious and I have no idea why or where consciousness factors into the equation.
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
Being able to decide its own goals is a completely unimportant aspect of the problem.
why do you care?
- Comment on agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai? 3 weeks ago:
If there’s no way to tell the illusion from reality, tell me why it matters functionally at all.