And I’m and American in Colombia where they pasteurize the milk to the point where it is stored at room temperature.
ugh i wish
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frank@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
I’ve seen some shit claiming pasteurization is harmful and I just have to ask if the people who believe that know what pasteurization even is, because how the hell does boiling it make it harmful? Shit… If boiling milk makes it toxic, you better stay away from cheese. And a lot of baked goods. Creamy soups. Etc.
watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
This is the whole “gluten is poison” (for people not actually intolerant to gluten) all over again. Those people also had no idea that it was just wheat protein.
Luccus@feddit.org 1 year ago
Not even fully boiling. To quote Wikipedia, because I’m lazy:
The liquid moves in a controlled, continuous flow while subjected to temperatures of 71.5 °C (160 °F) to 74 °C (165 °F), for about 15 to 30 seconds, followed by rapid cooling to between 4 °C (39.2 °F) and 5.5 °C (42 °F).
Literally 30 seconds of “pretty hot”. And people are risking serious illness, even death, over some mythical beliefs about how nutrition works.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 year ago
There is a way. Just mix it with equal parts hard liquor.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I heard bleach works good too.
Dasus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So you get a liquid that’d roughly 20% alcohol and mostly milk?
Yeah that’s not gonna do it.
Facebones@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Food safety is communism!
NightShot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Stop drinking milk not intended for you, problem solved. Go Vegan !
kworpy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
you’re saying that cows aren’t supposed to exist
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
nature doesn’t have intent
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 year ago
Yes it does, we invented it ON PURPOSE
enbyecho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I greatly enjoy eating vegans. Very lean and easy to catch.
Woht24@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nah
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Fr. It tastes the same, barely taxing for the environment compared to cow milk (depending on the type of milk), plus you don’t torture animals. Sounds like a win-win-win situation to me
Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Your comment is great. Please keep speaking up for morals!
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The main thing for me is most people are lactose intolerant to some degree. It can be worth trying alternative milks just to see if you feel better with it.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
milking cows isn’t torture, but I’m pretty sure humans have a bigger carbon footprint than cattle
OhHiMarx@lemmygrad.ml 1 year ago
I didn’t drink cow milk at all becsuse I find it gross but it definitely does but taste the same
i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
It absolutely does not taste the same. Which works for me because I don’t like the taste of cow milk.
troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
What about milk intended for me? I mean, my mom may have trouble producing at her age, but…
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Good news! As long as its given consentually then human milk is vegan!
3laws@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Fellow lemming is so single they can’t get milk from their partner. UwU
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ThE FlU Is JuSt A BaD CoLd! If BiRdS CaN TaKe It WhAtS yOuR PrObLeM sNoWfLaKeS?
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
And Trump isn’t even President yet. But I’m sure this is his fault, or Kennedy’s.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Raw milk is one of the things RFK specifically promises to promote.
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
It looks like it’s State laws that govern whether raw milk sales is legal or not. In Colorado, Arkansas, Alabama, DC, Delaware, and many others it’s completely illegal.
What does the federal government have to do with it? It’s already illegal to transport it across state lines according to federal law.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
It’s not that they caused it, it’s that they’re putting this forward as a healthier and better alternative to pasteurized milk, which leads to the connection with the news.
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Well Fresno, CA is Republican, so you’re probably right, some kind of evil R plot to kill people.
beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Maybe ingest it and then use UV light or inject bleach. I hear Ivermectin helps against everything.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Ugh my wife’s step-sisters husband is a pharmacist. His body is riddled with tumors but he swears the ivermectin and supplements are what’s fighting the cancer. Not the chemo. Nope. That’s promoting the cancer.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 year ago
Self solving problems are the best problems.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
For the other non scientists here is a good article explaining what “raw milk” is. uclahealth.org/…/dangers-raw-milk-arise-bacteria
Aurora_TheFirstLight@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
You know it’s great to question why we do the things the way we do them, but question them and answer them logically
Soulg@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The problem is when they ignore the answer to keep asking the question waiting to hear what they want to hear.
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Damn.
I didn’t have “Raw Milk encouraged by the US govt. causes second pandemic in 5 years” on my bingo card for 2025.LiveLM@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I’m not ready for Moovid…
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I like to moovid, moovid.
bluewing@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I grew up on a dairy farm and we drank raw milk every day. I can remember my sisters bringing the milk pitcher to the barn and dipping into the bulk tank of raw milk every morning or so. No one got sick and no one died. We even made butter at home from it after separating the cream. But pasteurization is a good thing for all you urbane urbanites out there. It increases the shelf life and safety for consumption. Plus it reduces number of small dairies near population centers that used to exist. Dairies can be 100+ miles away now. After all, you wouldn’t want to be exposed to the smell of cow shit right?
Raw milk does taste very different from store bought pasteurized milk, (whole milk ain’t whole). And like shelf stable milk, I doubt anyone of you would like drinking it.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
PASTEURIZATION IS A GOOD THING
LOL… the downvoting. I think as usual people read the first sentence and that’s it. So you saying “pasteurization is a good thing” got lost.
PASTEURIZATION IS A GOOD THING
But totally agree - raw milk, in the right situation and handled appropriately, which means COWS YOU KNOW is just so much better. To the point where after our one neighbor we’d get it from moved away I just stopped drinking milk at all.
PASTEURIZATION IS A GOOD THING
Zomg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Those are also cows you personally owned and cared for. You knew their health, you knew their living conditions, and the milk wasn’t produced soley (or maybe at all) big corporate profits where production is the goal, and the animals well-being isn’t.
bluewing@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You do understand that ALL dairy farms that sell milk are regularly tested for safety of the milk they sell. This is federally mandated. You miss the thresholds for bacteria counts, you will be dumping all your milk produced until it tests clean again. So those cows can’t be held in very dirty and vile conditions because your milk won’t pass those mandated tests. Slackers go broke and are out of business in short order.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for selling pasteurized milk in stores. The milk you buy in the store can be a week old before you see it on the shelf. But the unreasoning fear of raw milk is just plain ridiculous.
asdfbla@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
When I was a kid, we went to our neighbor who was a small milk farmer and got raw milk basically every day. Never got sick or anything.
Can confirm that raw milk does taste different, and to be honest sometimes I miss the taste when I drink pasteurized milk now
bluewing@lemm.ee 1 year ago
While I certainly don’t miss milking cows, I too miss the insanely rich texture and flavor of that fresh from the cow milk.
zephorah@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Surely this is satire. One of you guys made this as a joke, right? Right?!?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
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Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Louis Pasteur is rolling in his grave…
uis@lemm.ee 1 year ago
He is boiling in his grave. Probably milk.
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Only for a few seconds. And he’s not even boiling. After that he’s fine.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 year ago
rollingcurdling
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Crazy how if it was any democrat saying drink raw milk s/he would likely be accused of a conspiracy in which he is trying to spread bird flu so they can have another pandemic and vaccine manufacturers make money out of it. But when a republican says it, s/he is probably celebrated for using the wisdom of our grand grand parents.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
it would be celebrated as “freedom”
zephorah@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I mean, viruses are kind of Trumps thing. Maybe H5N1 kills another million or so to mark his second term.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
H5N1 is way, way more lethal than Covid19.
If it were to mutate to spread between humans without decreasing in lethality it would probably be the deadliest event in human history by a significant margin.
P00ptart@lemmy.world 1 year ago
H5N1 would kill a lot more than a million if it goes H2H.
baropithecus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m told that if you mix in some bleach, it’ll “do a tremendous number” on the pathogens.
Hupf@feddit.org 1 year ago
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
always a relevant xkcd no matter the topic
fckreddit@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Louis Pasteur is rolling in his grave, watching them raw milk drinkers.
nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 1 year ago
You say that, but far as I know, Pasteur died and the raw milkies are still alive!!1!
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Take that time! We totally futured your ass!
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 year ago
Am i seeing this right, that you can buy raw milk in grocery stores? What the fuck?
Raw milk gets bad way to fast in order to sell it in a grocery store.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
When kept below about 3C raw milk can last 7-10 days. The problem mainly is in the handling - the longer it’s shipped and more it’s handled the higher the likelihood it ends up above safe temperatures, reducing that time significantly. And we’ve all seen how grocery stores handle their perishables… LOL.
3ntranced@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is it like a new thing? I never heard anyone making a fuss about raw milk other than like the Amish for the quarter of a century I’ve been around.
It seems to be based around the people who just look for problems to have, like okay when are people gonna start drinking bottled puddle water because “its got natural minerals and bacteria” or some nonsense.
sulgoth@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Raw water was a thing. Not sure if it’s still a trend but it definately happened.
uis@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Doesn’t it last 5-7 days? In Europe it is long enough.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 year ago
All i can say is, that at “normal” refrigirator temperatures milk will be good for 3-4 days. Cant say anything for temperatures below that
ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People like my boomer mother will buy a gallon of milk and expect it to be good for 2+weeks.
She is part of the reason I do a small shopping every couple days and only but what I need for the foreseeable future. An entire generation of Americans that are used to everything being so pumped with preservatives that we can eat a Twinkie that rolled under the couch last presidential election.
Yet, we have to scrub eggs of their natural coating at the farm, requiring them to be refrigerated.
Food regulation in the US hasn’t moved very far from the 60s.
NutWrench@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Imagine deliberately paying a premium for food that can make you seriously I’ll.
enbyecho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Imagine deliberately paying a premium for food that can make you seriously ill.
This applies to maybe 80% of what’s in a grocery store.
redisdead@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why are people surprised by this? Do you guys not have refrigerators in your grocery stores?
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Okay, whether or not raw milk is generally safe, why buy it when there’s an alternative that removes the pathogens?
problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You see, in America, the milk cattle live in terrible conditions. Mastitis is common. In the US, you really have to pasteurize the milk to kill all the bacteria and viruses that end up in the milk because of the conditions they live in.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 year ago
Raw milk gets bad after about 3-4 days, even with constant cooling. This period is way to short to sell it at grocerie stores in any big scale.
riodoro1@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We do, but we also have pasteurization.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Slow pastuerization kills the same amount of microbes as flash… without killing all the flavor of the milk.
Etterra@lemmy.world 1 year ago
America, home of the brave and land of fucking around and finding out.
nroth@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wish they would irradiate it instead of boiling. Irradiation is completely safe and preserves the nutritional benefits. But the raw milk people are generally opposed to that, and irradiation has a PR problem. Sadness.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 year ago
Wonder if they tried heating the milk up to 63 degrees C for 30 mins before consumption?
Maybe that would help.
bblkargonaut@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They really should start selling it and marketing it as never frozen fresh. It’ll be even more effective that way once its legal nationwide.
BoogerBearadactyl@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So, I don’t really understand the science, but my son is only able to drink raw milk. When he drinks normal milk, he has terrible stomach aches and mad diarrhea. When he drinks raw milk, it’s all rainbows and butterflies. For reference, he’s 3 and has been drinking the raw milk for around a year and a half. Also, the rest of the family had no issues drinking pasteurized milk. Maybe somebody smarter than me could explain why this is?
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The more deadly pseudoscience that spreads the fewer conservatives there are in America, so I can’t say I mind stuff like this too much.
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m cool with idiots who don’t know any better getting what’s coming to them… but I’m not really cool with them sneezing on the same door handles I turn.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
at least CVD isn’t contageous
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Fun fact:
The dairy was fined in 2023 for a Salmonella outbreak and is very militantly anti-government.
linux2647@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Might get some hate here for this, but I’ve tried this company’s cheese. It’s the best cheddar cheese I’ve ever tasted.
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
It’s so bizarre to see this discussion play out on the basis of “health”
Because there is a legitimate discussion to be had about the economics of how milk pasteurization requirements have affected local dairy farms. How the unsanitary conditions of industrial scale milk production have made it a necessity. How marketing and corporate interests have shifted consumption patterns.
And yet these fucking dipshits have turned this in to “pasteurized milk personally harms you!” In grifter circles.
How screwed are we that we can’t talk about the complexities of how corporate farming practices have effected our food supplies with out couching it in terms of “health food”.
I cannot express how much I hate the term “health food”. There is no such fucking thing as a “health food”.
It makes me want to rip my hair out when these topics come up.
immutable@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This problem has always bugged me writ large as well. It seems nearly impossible to have any conversation that looks at the bigger picture of things in a complete and nuanced way.
Take for example employment rates. It’s just taken as a given that high employment is the goal. But stop and think about that for a second. In any other part of your life is your goal to completely saturate all time with labor? No, obviously not.
But the goals are set and we must achieve them. More money next quarter than last quarter, it doesn’t matter if every conceivable customer already has a subscription, we must grow. Make the product cheaper to make, charge more, do anything but consider that we might have picked stupid goals.
argarath@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Agreed with everything you said. I had a class about bio processes and one of them was about production of cheese and during the class both our professor and the scientist that was walking us through the chemistry of cheese making were constantly talking how pasteurization was really good for us all and how annoying it was that it made cheese making more difficult because of the way it messed with casein and other proteins, making it so that the cheese wouldn’t “coagulate” correctly (they used a specific term that I cannot remember for the life of me, sorry) but that was all. A protein being bent up a bit doesn’t negatively affect the milk of where just drinking it or using it to bake, Ave even for cheese making there are tequiniques to still make it into cheese with pasteurized milk.