commie

@commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  if you can come up with an effective plan, let me know

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  whatever your excuse is, it doesn’t work

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  seems like you know your plan is not effective

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  that doesn’t work. can you point on this chart when you stopped buying meat?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  exactly. they’re gambling. I’m not responsible for their decision.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  no, they dont. I could get hit by a bus in my way to the grocery store today. it is impossible to know the future.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  how could you be responsible for that? they did it without your knowledge, and without knowing whether anyone would set up or donate to the GoFundMe.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  when I buy meat in a shelf, the animal is already dead, the killer has been paid, and I’m not the one who pays them. none of the facts are the same EXCEPT that someone got paid to do a killing.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  conspiracies don’t need to be secret.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  you are engaging in an immortal conspiracy. no such conspiracy exists between me and slaughterhouses. your analogy is broken, and you should stop trying to make it work.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  it’s too late. animal agriculture exists, and will continue whether I eat meat or not.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  how can you prove something like that?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I doubt it. I bet if I died tomorrow, more meat would be sold next year than this year, and evenore the year after.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  animal agriculture existed before anyone ever bought meat. purchasing meat didn’t cause animal agriculture.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  you believe the slaughterhouses kill cows because people buy them.

  no. slaughterhouses kill cows because they are paid by the cattle owners to do so.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Do you think if everyone in the world stopped buying meat, that the slaughterhouses would keep killing cows?

  no, do you have a plan to make that happen?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  that’s not what happens in the meat industry. the animal is already dead, and everyone involved is already paid long before I walk into a grocery store. it’s not a conspiracy.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  unless farmers don’t have free will, the only thing that can be said to cause them to farm is their own choice.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨100% vegetarian⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  people consume about 2/3 of global crop calories directly

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  I’m restricting it because we need an agreeable definition. I wouldn’t agree that you can give consent to sex without being informed. so the whole idea of animal consent is absurd. if we can’t agree on the definition of consent, there is no point in continuing

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨100% vegetarian⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  go ahead and try to reduce suffering. I’m just starting facts here.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨100% vegetarian⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Why are vegans in particular given blame for crop deaths, when it isn’t vegans who are doing the farming?

  and most people don’t slaughter animals. which, by the way, is one of my firmly held beliefs: we can’t blame people for something they didn’t do.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨100% vegetarian⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  the linked four part essay excuses crop deaths

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  consent is informed. you haven’t shown animals can be informed and, therefore, give consent

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨100% vegetarian⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  this doesn’t drink every crop deaths argument. it only addresses an argument in the form “since animals die in crop harvesting, vegans shouldn’t eat crops (or they would be hypocrites”.

  but the issue of crop deaths actually points to something else: people don’t care if animals die in the production of their food. vegans claim to care but will eat food covered in pesticides and harvested with threshers. the mental gymnastics they go through, like writing a four part essay about how these animal deaths are actually ok, shows that they, to are ok with animals during in the production of their food.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  none of these are animal communicative behavioral studies showing non human animals can understand and consent to reproduction

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Lemmy be like⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  your source about beef relies on poore-nemecek 2018, a paper with dubious methodology

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  no, it’s not

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  no, they’re right (on this topic, anyway)

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨New idea ⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  wrong