Submitted 1 year ago by Kain1@lemmy.world to retrogaming@lemmy.world
https://www.retronews.com/nintendo-targets-youtube-accounts-showing-emulated-games/
Nintendo has been actively taking down YouTube videos that feature its games being emulated or modded, which has sparked significant discussion and concern within the gaming community.
So the switch itself emulates older consoles… I could have swore I remember reading something like the anniversary bundle that they put out for a limited edition had a emulator that someone made.
Be defiant. Emulate more games
So you’re saying I should never buy anything from Nintendo?
Cool cool cool, cool, cool.
I have a hard time defending the YouTubers on this one. I mean, Nintendo has been pretty good about allowing older games to be played on its modern consoles. See VGC, the NES/SNES/N64 pass, and the multiple re-releases put out for the Switch. At some point just pony up the money or play the older games on a physical older console.
I mean at this point my attitude on Nintendo stuff is fuck em, I’ll play their games without paying (if I even feel like playing any of their games) because they deserve it.
Defending the youtubers for… doing something completely legit
See: Kaizo Mario directly inspiring Mario Maker.
See: LttP Randomizer, along with literally any other randomizer.
See: speedrunning streams literally making the market that Nintendo then sold the Nintendo World Championships cart into.
Nintendo absolutely benefits from this. They just want to crack the whip and take over. Fuck them.
Also, still can’t buy Mother 3. Double fuck them. Tons of titles play better on emulation. I shouldn’t have to justify it.
It’s not the same thing? Emulation of older consoles improve and mod the experience.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this backfires a bit. The reason most publishers/IP holders don’t go after videos on youtube and twitch is because it’s basically free advertisement for your game.
If this behavior leads to people holding back on making nintendo based content, it could fuck them over in the long run. If you were a streamer or youtuber, would you feel particularly comfortable making videos and streaming nintendo games?
I know I wouldn’t. There is no guarantee that nintendo actually puts effort into determining whether you are using an emulator or not. And even for the people who do use emulators, they may not be looking to continue making nintendo content.
Nintendo is going after a lot of their biggest fans. It’s so obviously stupid, but they just keep doing it.
They’ve been doing this for a long time, and it definitely has a depressive effect. Even a big gaming youtubers like Videogamedunkey has commented on how every single time he does a video about a Nintendo game it gets demonetized, and while he can afford to take the financial hit every now and then there are plenty of mid-tier creators who can’t.
If someone has bought a Switch game legally, then it’s legal to dump that game to a PC and play it on a Switch emulator, right?
Sure you could say that very few people dump their own games, but those that do are doing everything legally I think?
it’s legal to dump that game to a PC and play it on a Switch emulator, right?
Depends on where you live.
In the USA, section 117 of the copyright act lets you create a copy for archival/backup purposes only. What I’m unsure about (and don’t know if there’s any relevant caselaw) is whether bypassing copy protection to create the copy violates the DMCA.
The equivalent Australian copyright law explicitly states that you can use the backup copy instead of the original one. The US law doesn’t (all it says is that you can make an archival copy, not how you can use the archival copy), so it’s a grey area.
Pretty sure they would consider this “format shifting”, which is not a valid exception to bypassing copy protection
I don’t see any way you could argue a video game isn’t computer software. It literally just is.
IIRC this is what is currently protected in American law, but the problem is that in the time between now and the Sony/Bleem lawsuit Congress passed the DMCA, which has a provision making it illegal to bypass copyright protection. When emulating any modern console, you are naturally required to bypass the copyright protection on the game, which Nintendo would argue makes it illegal to do.
Maybe you could get around this with some kind of emulation scheme that requires the console to be plugged into your PC, like the emulator uses the console’s official hardware for the copyright check and then just takes over rendering the game.
Nah. From Nintendo’s position, you don’t “own” the game. They do. All you bought is a license to play the game on a Nintendo approved console. By ripping the game from the switch dump, you are violating the license you bought by copying their software without permission.
From a practical perspective, fuckem. Your paid money to play the game and if you decide to play it on something else you own, go nuts.
Nintendo is doing everything in it’s power to screw over gamers, yet people will still consistently be like “omg pokemon, hiiiiii 🥺” and buy their slop even when the games get worse every time.
Like could you imagine if Microsoft did shit like this, the backlash would be huge.
Wow! Way to tell the world to never buy your products because you’re petty sniveling greedy and absolutely hate your fans.
They’re clearing out the scene before the switch 2 releases because they perceive the current emulators as a major threat somehow.
Which I assume means that the new switch is similar enough in architecture that it would be relatively trivial to ship a fully functional emulator on hardware release.
Pretty insane because at least in the USA, emulation is protected by law, except if someone can successfully argue that you are bypassing DRM which is illegal.
In a working system, this wouldn’t be an issue but I imagine neither Yuzu nor Ryjunix would want to deal with Nintendo’s insane law team that could wreck them financially in a matter of days before even entering a court room.
I hope someone either makes an anonymous dev team for a future project, or gets assistance from a consumer justice firm/group to properly argue in court to shut Nintendo down. They really should not be able to do this because it was already a thing 24 years ago:
Sony Computer Entertainment v. Connectix Corporation, 203 F.3d 596 (2000), commonly referred to as simply Sony v. Connectix, is a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which ruled that the copying of a copyrighted BIOS software during the development of an emulator software does not constitute copyright infringement, but is covered by fair use. The court also ruled that Sony’s PlayStation trademark had not been tarnished by Connectix Corp.'s sale of its emulator software, the Virtual Game Station.
I’ve been gradually building up my Switch digital and physical library and stuff like this makes me want to just switch back to Steam and spend my dollar elsewhere.
The strikes are absolutely frivolous and Russ sets a great anti piracy example for others. Backups of your own content are protected.
I’ll have to mod a switch purely out of spite.
I’m going to stand by what Retro Game Corps stated that they don’t want to advocate for piracy. Lawful backup of your own games is protected. The aggression against Russ and others is uncalled for.
This is what we get because Atari fucked up with E.T.
^(Atari^ ^would^ ^be^ ^owned^ ^by^ ^Disney^ ^by^ ^now,^ ^and^ ^thus^ ^also^ ^evil.)^
Welp I guess this also includes NSO games.
They just killed Ryujinx too, proving it wasn’t the fact that Yuzu was making money.
I missed this - what happened? (Searching now)
Nintendo visited the main developers home in brazil and came to an agreement to end Ryjinx, a former dev has confirmed this over on reddit: www.reddit.com/r/Ryujinx/comments/…/lpuz6pt/
I’m glad I bought a switch second hand and immediately installed a modchip on it, 0 money went to Nintendo
Didnt you technically support the guy that supported Nintendo?
Technically, yes, but I know for a fact that he went on to buy a PS5
Fuck nintendo, I’ve been playing a pirated copy of Earthworm Jim (GB) all day and I’m gonna keep doing it purely out of spite.
How about if I sing the Mario song for my fans… turns on the fans … we’re the Mario Brothers…
They’ve been on some kind of emulation crusade then, because it looks like they just killed Ryujinx:
Yep, they already removed the github and download pages from the website, last version was 1.1.1403
Okay, so now ten people can upload it.
Sounds like someone got promoted to a high position. If I’m right it’s the typical “New Manager Must Make Waves To Prove They Belong” level of stupid unique to corporate.
Or they simply are soon to launch the next console and want the happiest investors for the event.
I thought Japan was all about Face. I guess Nintendo is the exception?
This doesn’t seem an economically positive decision. I think Nintendo are actually trying to save face here.
I thought Japan was all about Face. I guess Nintendo is the exception?
face, farce.
Ryujinx repo was just taken down from Github too
Nintendo is running out of ideas so they are going back into their catalog to remaster old games. Cant have people playing dead games if they release a new graphically updated version and make millions.
I don’t really think it matters that much. The more of the community you alienate and spit in their faces for loving you, the more youngsters will be given something else to play because their dad wants to see Nintendo burn.
If only they did this at the Switch release, one of the biggest reasons I didn’t buy one, wonder if there’s a chance they’ll do a PSO remake and release the English version 10 years later? (Although that’s really Segas fault)
Ephinea server’s been going strong. It’s great. pSO BlueBurst (GameCube, plus episode 4).
That’s all they’ve been doing for decade’s. Ninten-who? I stopped paying attention to them ages ago.
I grew up with a Nintendo controller in hand.
There’s a very good reason I now game almost exclusively on PC. None of what Nintendo is doing is going to convince me to come back. Quite the opposite in fact.
Grew up the same way. Some of my all time favorite games are still some of the classics. That being said, fuck nintendo. I hope they go bankrupt.
Nintendo has been on my list of most hated companies for awhile now. Just can’t stand how they operate and design their games.
Well hang tight there, the games are dope. Just the legal dicks are the scumbags.
With all these news recently, you could think Nintendo wants to be hated. It’s truly shameful how the company has fallen since Iwata is gone.
They still did this stuff under Iwata. It’s actually more of a Japanese thing than a Nintendo thing. Although the quality of stuff was better under Iwata
Nintendo has gone after youtubers and content creators for 15+ years. They are infamous for it.
to be honest, 80% of their customers probably don’t even know what an emulator is and don’t follow news about nintendo
Recently?! Nintendo famously hates their fans for years now.
On the plus side, it makes me feel extra good when I load their games onto my hacked Switch! Echoes of Wisdom was fun, but felt really short. I would have felt cheated if I’d spent $60 on it.
I mean, its predecessor was a basic-ass remake of a ten hour, thirty year old Game Boy game.
All they have is their IP, they must protect it at all costs. Nintendo doesn’t even let Shingeru Myamoto wipe is own ass out of fear he will get hurt.
nintendo should put more effort into making switch online not suck instead of going after gamers playing nintendo games
Idk I really like playing my backups upscaled with high fps. I wont buy any more though unless it’s in Steam and not with a petty DRM.
*monkey’s paw curls* now it costs even more.
I like their panoply of games, but I cannot in good conscience support this company. The time, effort and money they spent on their legal department could have been used elsewhere… Like pokemon maybe? I’m glad Palword saw daylight.
They’re suing Palworld too btw
Is that surprising to anyone? The specific grounds they’ve chosen for that lawsuit is odd but if any of their legal battles have merit its that one. Palworld is intentionally toeing the line between derivative and blatant ripoff.
Honestly. Fine. I’m this close to going purely PC anyway. I’ve purchased dozens of physical Switch titles because the Switch represented Nintendo returning to its heyday of the SNES->Gamecube goodness. I’ve given Nintendo thousands and thousands of dollars over the last 3 and a half decades, and I’m thinking maybe they don’t need any more of my money. Sure, I emulate, but never the most recent system. People got way too greedy with Switch emulation and now Nintendo is putting the kibosh on all of it. At this point though, GOG gets my money.
Wait until they go after livestreams
Recent laws in Japan have criminalized console and game modding, as well as save file editing
What the flying fuck, Japan?
On one hand, I don’t want to reward their shitty copyright etc. practices, on the other hand Nintendo as a game developer is about the only large studio making finished games anymore and I do want to support that
GustavoM@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Imagine being a long time Nintendo fan to end up being sued because playing their games (and sharing your experience with others) is now considered the same as stealing.