Nintendo has been actively taking down YouTube videos that feature its games being emulated or modded, which has sparked significant discussion and concern within the gaming community.
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Nintendo Targets YouTube Accounts Showing Emulated Games
Submitted 1 month ago by Kain1@lemmy.world to retrogaming@lemmy.world
https://www.retronews.com/nintendo-targets-youtube-accounts-showing-emulated-games/
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Omgboom@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Psythik@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The Switch was my last console purchase; I’m never buying another console from anyone ever again. I haven’t touched it in years cause every time I new game comes out that I want to play, I just pirate it instead. Why bother playing new releases on an underpowered, outdated handheld that struggles to render in 1080p, when I can play them in 4K on my PC at 60-120 FPS instead? Seriously, fuck Nintendo. Between their crappy hardware and crusade against gamers, I have zero reason to give them another cent of my hard-earned cash.
lunarul@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I grew up as a PC gamer (if you can call 8-bit computers PCs too) and never had a console as a kid. I got an Xbox One when it came out, just because of the Kinect, and never played anything on it other than Just Dance. Playing on my PC is more convenient. I got a Switch and played some Pokémon, but couldn’t get in the habit of playing on a device instead of a PC. When I got a Switch emulator on my PC, I played more on that than I did on the actual Switch in all the time I owned it.
tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I remember back when I was a teen, emulating GBA games on our family laptop because I had no money. I did not buy one single Nintendo games (for myself), but played 90% of the Zelda series. Great games, annoying ass company.
GeneralInterest@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The Steam Deck seems like a decent console, if that counts, because you’re free to do what you want with it
But perhaps you consider that to just be a handheld PC instead of a console, which I suppose is true
misk@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Did you buy Nintendo console for performance or were you just surprised because it was your first and you didn’t check what you were buying?
majestictechie@lemmy.fosshost.com 1 month ago
I would never buy another Nintendo product after I bought the switch, played it for 2 months and never picked sit up again.
Wife uses it, has a bunch of digital games installed, daughter wanted to use it, create an account on same device and she has to buy them again. Another reason to buy physical but other consoles let you play games on different accounts, it’s just Nintendo being c***s
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Eh… They do have family sharing over multiple consoles and if it’s just a different user on the same console then they can play all the same games as you either choose the user before starting the game or your have multiple saves in the game itself…
samus12345@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No, user accounts on the same console have access to any physical or digital games on that console, just like with PS4 and XBox. Nintendo sucks and all, but not THAT bad…yet.
anas@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s definitely not true, I have at least two digital games that we share on multiple accounts.
BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
That’s definitely not the way it works.
My partner has a switch. We both created as account on it. She buys digital games on it and everything that’s installed appears in the games list.
Anyone that picks it up can see that game list. If I’m playing then I pick a game from the list and it asks which account is playing and I can choose mine or hers. Then the game starts.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Never buy digital media
misk@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Keep buying Nintendo products so that we have systems with good games. They’re stuck in the last century but that’s for better AND worse.
Hudomi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
With all these news recently, you could think Nintendo wants to be hated. It’s truly shameful how the company has fallen since Iwata is gone.
weker01@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Recently?! Nintendo famously hates their fans for years now.
samus12345@lemmy.world 1 month ago
On the plus side, it makes me feel extra good when I load their games onto my hacked Switch! Echoes of Wisdom was fun, but felt really short. I would have felt cheated if I’d spent $60 on it.
hakase@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I mean, its predecessor was a basic-ass remake of a ten hour, thirty year old Game Boy game.
Microw@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Nintendo has gone after youtubers and content creators for 15+ years. They are infamous for it.
sus@programming.dev 1 month ago
to be honest, 80% of their customers probably don’t even know what an emulator is and don’t follow news about nintendo
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
They still did this stuff under Iwata. It’s actually more of a Japanese thing than a Nintendo thing. Although the quality of stuff was better under Iwata
demizerone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
All they have is their IP, they must protect it at all costs. Nintendo doesn’t even let Shingeru Myamoto wipe is own ass out of fear he will get hurt.
Dr_Box@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It just keeps getting worse. I’m done with Nintendo
_sideffect@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We won’t have much choices left it seems
Sony: Greedy fucks who don’t know their customers anymore Microsoft: Kills off great studios then complains they have no games
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We won’t have much choices left it seems
www.steamdeck.com is a good one.
sirico@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Indies and decent publishers, Itch.io, GOG, It might regress a little, but gaming won’t go away.
odium@programming.dev 1 month ago
There are a lot of indie games out there.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
VR is still growing
systemglitch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Tue choice is indie. Always has been.
Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Exactly…I’m sure that’s the literal point they are trying to make.
I just ignore them all completely and give them nothing like they deserve.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Recent laws in Japan have criminalized console and game modding, as well as save file editing
What the flying fuck, Japan?
wavebeam@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah all of these are ridiculous but save file editing? lol. That’s insane.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 1 month ago
Tendy doesn’t like people giving themselves pokemon reserved for events
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Hah. Fucking nothing better to do? We in the USA need to deal with our highest courts taking away women’s bodily autonomy, but over there they are clearly focused on the real issues.
Arkatakor@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I like their panoply of games, but I cannot in good conscience support this company. The time, effort and money they spent on their legal department could have been used elsewhere… Like pokemon maybe? I’m glad Palword saw daylight.
Maalus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They’re suing Palworld too btw
krashmo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Is that surprising to anyone? The specific grounds they’ve chosen for that lawsuit is odd but if any of their legal battles have merit its that one. Palworld is intentionally toeing the line between derivative and blatant ripoff.
ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 1 month ago
They’ve been on some kind of emulation crusade then, because it looks like they just killed Ryujinx:
yamanii@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yep, they already removed the github and download pages from the website, last version was 1.1.1403
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Okay, so now ten people can upload it.
Xanis@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sounds like someone got promoted to a high position. If I’m right it’s the typical “New Manager Must Make Waves To Prove They Belong” level of stupid unique to corporate.
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 month ago
Or they simply are soon to launch the next console and want the happiest investors for the event.
SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I grew up with a Nintendo controller in hand.
There’s a very good reason I now game almost exclusively on PC. None of what Nintendo is doing is going to convince me to come back. Quite the opposite in fact.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Nintendo has been on my list of most hated companies for awhile now. Just can’t stand how they operate and design their games.
MSids@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Well hang tight there, the games are dope. Just the legal dicks are the scumbags.
schema@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Grew up the same way. Some of my all time favorite games are still some of the classics. That being said, fuck nintendo. I hope they go bankrupt.
Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
This can’t be a new thing. This was one of the conditions Nintendo announced when they dropped their stupid “register with us to be allowed to do lets plays” thing.
Oh, and it’s not just Nintendo. All of the big publishers believe they own your videos that use their games. I’ve been involved in discussions with people personally who were trying to figure out how to demand licensing fees from YouTubers.
This is goingnto get worse before it gets better. This has been a traffic jam caused by everyone waiting for somebody to go first. Nintendo is just the one who has volunteered to be the first mover.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Replace “children” with “economist” or “lawyer” in this:
yamanii@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They just killed Ryujinx too, proving it wasn’t the fact that Yuzu was making money.
jeeva@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I missed this - what happened? (Searching now)
Predator@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Nintendo visited the main developers home in brazil and came to an agreement to end Ryjinx, a former dev has confirmed this over on reddit: www.reddit.com/r/Ryujinx/comments/…/lpuz6pt/
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Honestly. Fine. I’m this close to going purely PC anyway. I’ve purchased dozens of physical Switch titles because the Switch represented Nintendo returning to its heyday of the SNES->Gamecube goodness. I’ve given Nintendo thousands and thousands of dollars over the last 3 and a half decades, and I’m thinking maybe they don’t need any more of my money. Sure, I emulate, but never the most recent system. People got way too greedy with Switch emulation and now Nintendo is putting the kibosh on all of it. At this point though, GOG gets my money.
x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Emulation does not equal piracy though.
Why are we not allowed to do what we want with our own stuff?
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
steam deck is the best switch online device i’ve ever used ;)
piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
People got way too greedy with Switch emulation
The fact emulators are faster than the real hardware, can you blame them? Also, modding games is vastly easier, and people like mods.
Nintendo is just shooting themselves in the foot by not making these things more accessible. its a service issue. But nintendo prefers to invest in lawyers and not into their engineers.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Switch represented Nintendo returning to its heyday of the SNES->Gamecube goodness.
Man, I feel like I dodged a bullet with that one. My SNES and GameCube controllers still work. So do my Wiimotes. (Okay, my N64 joystick is slack as my deadbeat cousin’s work ethic but otherwise…!) Heck even my Wii U slate seems fine (although the battery worries me.)
Switchcons have been a bit of a QA nightmare for a majority of people I’ve heard from though. Cheap and creaky, the sticks getting all drifty. Blegh!
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m glad I bought a switch second hand and immediately installed a modchip on it, 0 money went to Nintendo
conartistpanda@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Didnt you technically support the guy that supported Nintendo?
anas@lemmy.world 1 month ago
With major releases like Tears of the Kingdom on the horizon…
Internet Explorer?
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The other horizon, the one behind you
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Accidentally leaked the Switch 2 version
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if this backfires a bit. The reason most publishers/IP holders don’t go after videos on youtube and twitch is because it’s basically free advertisement for your game.
If this behavior leads to people holding back on making nintendo based content, it could fuck them over in the long run. If you were a streamer or youtuber, would you feel particularly comfortable making videos and streaming nintendo games?
I know I wouldn’t. There is no guarantee that nintendo actually puts effort into determining whether you are using an emulator or not. And even for the people who do use emulators, they may not be looking to continue making nintendo content.
demizerone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nintendo is running out of ideas so they are going back into their catalog to remaster old games. Cant have people playing dead games if they release a new graphically updated version and make millions.
mlg@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They’re clearing out the scene before the switch 2 releases because they perceive the current emulators as a major threat somehow.
Which I assume means that the new switch is similar enough in architecture that it would be relatively trivial to ship a fully functional emulator on hardware release.
Pretty insane because at least in the USA, emulation is protected by law, except if someone can successfully argue that you are bypassing DRM which is illegal.
In a working system, this wouldn’t be an issue but I imagine neither Yuzu nor Ryjunix would want to deal with Nintendo’s insane law team that could wreck them financially in a matter of days before even entering a court room.
I hope someone either makes an anonymous dev team for a future project, or gets assistance from a consumer justice firm/group to properly argue in court to shut Nintendo down. They really should not be able to do this because it was already a thing 24 years ago:
Sony Computer Entertainment v. Connectix Corporation, 203 F.3d 596 (2000), commonly referred to as simply Sony v. Connectix, is a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which ruled that the copying of a copyrighted BIOS software during the development of an emulator software does not constitute copyright infringement, but is covered by fair use. The court also ruled that Sony’s PlayStation trademark had not been tarnished by Connectix Corp.'s sale of its emulator software, the Virtual Game Station.
obinice@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So you’re saying I should never buy anything from Nintendo?
Cool cool cool, cool, cool.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Wow! Way to tell the world to never buy your products because you’re petty sniveling greedy and absolutely hate your fans.
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nintendo has burned through all the good will they developed with me when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s. I doubt I’ll ever buy another Nintendo product again. Not that it matters to Nintendo, though. I’m many years removed from their target demographic. They make products for young people and that ain’t me. I’m sure those younger Nintendo fans will keep supporting the company, but, as for me, I’ve got the classic Nintendo games I want and I’ll keep playing them on whatever device I want. If Nintendo doesn’t like that, they can kiss my whole ass.
knova@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Ryujinx repo was just taken down from Github too
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
nintendo should put more effort into making switch online not suck instead of going after gamers playing nintendo games
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Nintendo needs to chill the fuck out.
GeneralInterest@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If someone has bought a Switch game legally, then it’s legal to dump that game to a PC and play it on a Switch emulator, right?
Sure you could say that very few people dump their own games, but those that do are doing everything legally I think?
gmtom@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nintendo is doing everything in it’s power to screw over gamers, yet people will still consistently be like “omg pokemon, hiiiiii 🥺” and buy their slop even when the games get worse every time.
Like could you imagine if Microsoft did shit like this, the backlash would be huge.
veeesix@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Russ (Retro Game Corps) was so confident with his CEMU video he didn’t think he’d be a target despite everyone in the comments saying otherwise.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Fuck nintendo, I’ve been playing a pirated copy of Earthworm Jim (GB) all day and I’m gonna keep doing it purely out of spite.
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Be defiant. Emulate more games
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 month ago
On one hand, I don’t want to reward their shitty copyright etc. practices, on the other hand Nintendo as a game developer is about the only large studio making finished games anymore and I do want to support that
MSids@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ve been gradually building up my Switch digital and physical library and stuff like this makes me want to just switch back to Steam and spend my dollar elsewhere.
The strikes are absolutely frivolous and Russ sets a great anti piracy example for others. Backups of your own content are protected.
aciDC14@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I thought Japan was all about Face. I guess Nintendo is the exception?
lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 month ago
“So, those guys generate positive advertisement for our games. How do we stop it, and make sure that public opinion shifts to «Nintendo is cringe and you’re a loser if you play this shit»?”
Also, what the fuck is with Japanese law, criminalising modding?
capt_wolf@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My best guess would be that they’re trying to get ahead of the recompiler scene before it catches a bigger foothold. But also, that lumps in the entire rom hacking and fan translation community, which I’m sure they view as perpetuating the piracy of their games.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If AI-generating images from copyrighted training material is legal, then generating source code from copyrighted binary code is as well.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
It’s probably not about that but rather to destroy the secondary market of modchips and save-file editors in Japan.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nonetheless, the best thing would be to let those kinds of fans do what they do, because it is free advertising. But no, they’d rather be right than pragmatic, so they shoot themselves in the foot. Meanwhile, if they’re so worried that these guys have that kind of serious reach and influence - aren’t those the people they shouldn’t piss on??
grue@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t care what bullshit justification they try to come up with for it; the bottom line is that it violates computer owners’ property rights.
It is absolutely unconscionable, ass-backwards, Bizarro-world bullshit to privilege temporary fake Imaginary Property (IP) over and above actual property!
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Typical Japanese bullshittery. I watch sumo, and even when there was no official way to watch outside Japan the sumo association would get youtube accounts showing matches taken down. Tons of industries are still run by technological dinosaurs.
Varyag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Japan was already living in the 2000’s back in the 80’s. The problem is that 40 years later, they’re still living and thinking in the exact same way.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I mean, if the decision were made today, I guarantee our current supreme court in the US would not have given us fair use.
mPony@lemmy.world 1 month ago
the current U.S. Supreme Court wouldn’t give you democracy, even though the American military has killed tens of thousands of people around the world in its name.
x4740N@lemm.ee 1 month ago
You sure is Nintendo of Japan and not Nintendo of america that’s doing it because the american office would use american jurisdiction
You state that this is Japanese law but what is clearly happeing here is nintendo abusing laws, please correct that statement of yours because your unfairly criticising the Japanese government for the actions of nintendo
lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 month ago
It is the result of Japanese law. Further info here (in English) and here (in Japanese).
As such, yes, the Japanese government is also to blame. Plus any other government playing along with this crap, be it from USA or Brazil or whatever.
Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I would assume a company such as sony or nintendo lobbied for that law.