Music was better when ugly people were allowed to make it
Submitted 3 months ago by wesker@lemmy.sdf.org to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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BreadOven@lemmy.world 3 months ago
lung@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Nah, ugly ppl still make the music, behind the scenes :p
2ugly2live@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Just about to comment this. Singers these days are usually the “face.”
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Pop is just as manufactured and fake as it always was, with the exceptional trend setter or two doing their own thing, and what’s just below the surface is always just as good as it always was.
As a fan of hardcore, electronica, folk, metal, and all of the genres that all under them, I still get new bands. I still get new releases. I get cheap as fuck concerts and still get cool merch and awesome vinyls.
Anyone who says music sucks now doesn’t really listen to that much music to start with. Music is just fine, man. Maybe look a little deeper than the pudding skin.
tdawg@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Those $10 dive bar bands are always the best
Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
I have had a 50/50 success rates. The ones who are bad are REALLY bad. To make up for it, they crank the gain, volume, and distortion to 11 and just annihilate everyone’s eardrums.
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I hear you and agree with much of that. I am a fan of multiple genres as well. But, as far as it goes for jazz, jazz is dead. Anyone still attempting to play it is often a sad version of what was once great in the 50s/60s/70s. So while there’s plenty of music in other genres I like, always more to find from those time periods, as well as still enjoying the classics, it’s a little upsetting good jazz is dead, modern jazz is trash, and people who think they know jazz these days actually refer to some other genre, like rock. Somewhat sad.
chaogomu@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Have you checked out Live from Emmett’s Place?
Live jazz streamed every week.
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Jazz, to me, a layman to the genre comes off as anything from Miles Davis and Duke Ellington to soundtracks composed for animes, to progressive epics that span twenty minutes and spin into a free form improv that’s somewhere between art and math.
But aside from it being a flavor other things come in, like a jazzy rock band, Mars Volta or a jazzy metal band, like Opeth, or a jazzy singer, like Michael Buble, I don’t know jazz.
I don’t think as a normal person that I’m exposed to pure “jazz”, whatever it dilutes into, but I’m fascinated by the chance that there might be something I’m missing that you might mention.
aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Awful take. Last weekend I saw Mike Dillon with Phunkadelick playing with Brian Haas on the Rhodes organ. They played a wild punk-jazz show that is one of the best shows I’ve ever attended. There was a mosh pit at a jazz concert where a primary instrument was a vibraphone.
In recent years, I’ve greatly enjoyed things like AKU!'s album Blind Fury (drum/trumpet/baritone sax trio) and Ambrose Akinmusire’s Origami Harvest. A lot of modern jazz is blending in electronic influences, like Sungazer. Maybe you don’t like these things, but I can’t imagine calling jazz dead.
not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Modern jazz is dope. It takes influences from everywhere, and turns them into jazz. Which is what it’s always done. In that sense jazz musicians playing electronica is no different to jazz musicians playing tin pan alley.
RouxBru@lemmy.world 3 months ago
An album called?
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
SESSANTA E.P.P.P.
Following a tour they just kicked off.
MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Exactly. I wish these types of posts would change “music these days” to “pop these days” because that’s what they’re talking about.
It’s debatable when pop actually began but pop as we know it really codified in the 80s with dawn of MTV and acts like Madonna and Michael Jackson. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Queen, etc were popular but I wouldn’t classify any of this as Pop. Pop has always been pretty people because it was by its nature tied to a visual medium.
People need to understand music is more than Pop. We have more access to music than ever before and a lot of the music I listen to regularly, I have no idea what they look like.
Graphy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Ugly people make music all the time. You really gonna tell me Ed Sheeran is good looking?
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 months ago
He looked better pre-Malone
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
Drunemeton@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Is that Ed!? Holy shite he’s really changed his look!
Tap for spoiler
/s
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Where’s his chin?
5wim@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
But the contention is about music being better, and that’s some bad music.
Graphy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Did we read the same post?
Music was better when ugly people were allowed to make it
I guess your comment makes sense if you find those two attractive.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Adele isn’t that good looking as well, but she is well loved as a singer.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 months ago
You’ve got some warped standards for beauty.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
I’ve never heard his music, but I think Post Malone is beautiful
synae@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
Yea that’s why metal fuckin rules. We got the ugliest guys ever altogether in one room and said “what you got?” and they became legends
And for anyone that might say that doesn’t happen anymore, I ask: how many open mic nights or $20 shows have you been to lately? The scene is doing great in my area, but it doesn’t happen by magic. Ya gotta support it, spread the word, bring your friends.
arefx@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
More of a hardcore guy myself but we’re equally as ugly
Mbourgon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah, no kidding. I just bought tickets for a $15 show that has multiple bands and included a overseas band. I should’ve upped the prices to $20.
Also: Sturgeon‘s law still applies: “90% of everything is crap“. Music is so amazingly easy to make these days you can do it on your phone (and I believe a Grammy nominated/winning album did so). Which means that there are literally thousands of albums every year, And so there will be a lot of crap. But between Bandcamp and Spotify, this is the freaking plutonium age if you like new music. There is literally so much that you can’t possibly keep up with it, even in sub genres. And there are some amazing gems coming out daily
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Most of my favorite artists are beautiful tho… Mikael Akerfeldt, Alexi Laiho (RIP), Devin Townsend, Shagrath…
fishbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
I also thought Alexi was hot, but I’ve never heard anyone else say that until now.
Also Tosin Abasi (founder of Animals as Leaders), but I’d be shocked if anyone said he isn’t attractive.
Mac@mander.xyz 3 months ago
“Ugly” people still make music but apparently you don’t listen to it. Shameful, tbh.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Video killed the radio star
cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 3 months ago
And the guest rappers killed the guitar solo.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 3 months ago
“music was better when…”
Any version of this makes the speaker sound suuuper old and butter. 😂
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 months ago
My highschool music is better than your highschool music!
FuCensorship@lemmy.today 3 months ago
Music was way better when the musicians snorted the good ol yayo.
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Nah, generally yes, but this particular follow up is hilarious. When ugly people made it haha
Breezy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
At least he doesnt like all newer music simply because the artist look better.
macrocarpa@lemmy.world 3 months ago
tbh we are all just snapshots of ourselves at different stage of the same cycle. The Simpsons did a whole thing about lolapalooza which starts with homer looking for his favourite artists in a record store, and the record store dude, and being directed to the oldies section.
The bands that feature in that episode are the smashing pumpkins, soundgarden , cypress Hill and Peter Frampton, all of whom appear in Spotify old school lists
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Oh sure, everything new becomes old eventually, that’s just how time works. I’m more poking fun at those who let their nostalgia determine what is worthwhile.
Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
I had a luthier tell me how much was much better before the record. How artists would perform live and have to do their best in these performances.
Once records came around all the artists sold out and it has been downhill from there.
“Ok, can I have my guitar back, please…”
MagicPterodactyl@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
This is the kind of boomer post you make if you haven’t followed music in 20 years.
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
Wrong, I’m downloading the latest music on Napster right now.
reddig33@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Why is it that most manufactured pop from before you were born still sounds good, but most manufactured pop after your 40s sounds irritating as fuck? Like, I could dig some “Charleston” from the 1920s but Ashley Simpson is barf-o-rama.
MagicPterodactyl@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Nostalgia
adam_y@lemmy.world 3 months ago
hushable@lemmy.world 3 months ago
sir, this is /r/lewronggeneration
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Hey, OP might be old. There’s some of us around.
SSJMarx@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Ugly people are still making it, pop acts have just figured out that if you make a pretty person pretend to sing it it sells better.
Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
I am convinced that producers go out with a company checkbook and standard boilerplate, find acts that have good songs, then buy the rights to those songs.
They then give the songs to larger pop artists and never credit the original artist because there is no need. They likely pay well for a decent song.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 months ago
They do.
It’s extremely rare that people like Taylor Swift get as big as she is from writing her own songs.There are actual classes you can take on how to write pop songs, taught by people who made pop artists big.
ShunkW@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They pay song writers to create songs.
Grilipper54@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
One of the biggest examples of this for me was " even if it breaks your heart". I was pretty happy hearing a pop country song with decent lyrics, to find out it was written by Will Hoge and Eli Young Band bought the rights.
TheKingBee@lemmy.world 3 months ago
just figured out, what? pop has always been pretty people…
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
What do you think “video killed the radio star” was about?
Hamartia@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Well… in my mind and in my car, we can’t rewind, we’ve gone too far.
Oh-a-a-a-Oh
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 months ago
what about internet killed the video star
Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Lol, do you think only pop star music exist? It’s actually the contrary that happend. Now, more than ever, anyone can make music. This is a really bad take.
taiyang@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah no, that’s just a cranky old guy thought. Just today I was watching fairly average looking people promoting music on late shows. You’re probably getting a very thin slice of pop music and ignoring everything else (and hell, even pop breaks that rule sometimes).
Plus, physical beauty and music are both subjective. I try to not get all “old man yells at cloud” about how music “used to be better”.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
ugly people aren’t allowed to make music anymore?
well fuck me then.
Juice@midwest.social 3 months ago
What do you mean? there are plenty of British recording artists
Xatolos@reddthat.com 3 months ago
I think music staring going downhill when music was no longer an audio only thing. Once bands were expected to make videos, posters, and “act” on stage, suddenly a lot of musicians had problems getting into the business. They want to make music, not become pseudo-actors.
underwire212@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Video killed the radio star
boaratio@lemmy.world 3 months ago
DandomRude@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I don’t think music has gotten any worse. However, it is much easier and cheaper to produce music today: you don’t have to be able to play an instrument and professional production is possible with comparatively inexpensive software on any standard computer. This and also the changes in distribution (no more need for sound carriers, …) have probably led to a lot more music being produced today than in the past. Of course, this does not mean that music has become better as a result, but it also does not mean that it has become worse. You just have to find the gems among the admittedly gigantic amount of junk.
BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Not really related to that stupid boomer post, but ho crazy is it that that ugly british lady won music star or popstar or whatever and everyone was like: oh my god this is insane, ugly people can do things? They are almost like real people.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 3 months ago
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Ah yes, ugly singers like:
Elvis Presley Frank Sinatra John Bon Jovi Freddie Mercury Aretha Franklin
recapitated@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They aren’t even ugly, they’re just beautiful in a different way than media accepts.
ColdWater@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
“Ugly” and “good music” are subjective
saroh@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Indie labels still allow ugly people on stage!
It’s more of a problem for pop / major label’s who’s job is more on the money side than the music.
Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Music was better when I used to look at the back of an album and the credits were like a dozen people. I’m sorry to people who like Beyonce, Gaga etc. But you look at their albums and they have hundreds of writers, engineers, producers, mixers, etc. What do these celebrities actually do anymore? Just show up and read the lines and the crew takes care of the rest?
boaratio@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Shake hands with beef ;-)
oce@jlai.lu 3 months ago
Someone forbade you to make music?
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
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jaybone@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s my favorite song.
Seleni@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I mean, you did kinda leave yourself open for that one.
Mango@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Way to dodge the point! Next lesson in mental gymnastics tutorial is blocking. Press X to continue.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Was this written by the cheapest, worst AI?