That was cringe but I think a better reason NOT to return to reddit is the fact that they just sold out their users an AI company that hasn’t even been named.
For those thinking of going back to reddit. Gaze upon this comment section and reconsider.
Submitted 8 months ago by STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
mtchristo@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Could you imagine this is what we are training AI with !
Jagermo@feddit.de 8 months ago
JustUseMint@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Lol yeah, other bot made data
Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 8 months ago
Yeah, all these bots replies is copied from other comment, and there’s shit tons of r/confidentlyincorrect comment that is outright factually wrong, which then get regurgitated by other user and copied by bots, so good luck to the AI company filtering those.
CodeInvasion@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
AFAIK, there’s nothing stopping any company from scraping Lemmy either. The whole point pf reddit limiting API usage was so they could make money like this.
Outside of morals, there is nothing to stop anybody from training on data from Lemmy just like there’s nothing stopping me from using Wikipedia. Most conferences nowadays require a paragraph on ethics in the submission, but I and many of my colleagues would have no qualms saying we scraped our data from open source internet forums and blogs.
leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
You’re right, anyone can scrape Lemmy. But that’s not the issue (to me anyway) - Reddit have sold user data - user generated content. None of what they’re profiting from was generated or created by them. Are Reddit users who did generate all this content getting a slice of the profits?
When I post on here I know it’s all open for anyone to access but that’s true of any non walled garden space. I’ve accepted the fact that it’s going to get fed into the hungry maw of some AI behemoth or two.
What Reddit have done is make money for doing absolutely nothing based on content others have created like some sort of technological tapeworm feeding second hand. And along the way they killed off a lot of tools that users loved, moderators found made their jobs easier and people with a visual disability found vital. And all this so u/spez can live out his mini-Musk fantasies.
moon@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
Fuck Reddit, but why does this matter? Them selling internal analytics and profile information isn’t going to be nearly as valuable as post/comment history which has already been public and scraped continuously since the site’s foundings. Practically every LLM is already has already scraped the entire site! Whatever company is buying their info is probably the only ones doing it legitimately. You can also assume Lemmy is no different, it’s all public and scrapable.
random9@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think the fewer number of people, compared to reddit, on Lemmy combined with the fact that it’s not nearly as well known, plays a huge advantage to the quality of the comments. Not that there aren’t people like that here either, but I feel like the more popular a platform, is, the more it gets filled, proportionally, with people trying to make witty, shitty, pointless remarks that are often clickkbaity and avoid actual discussion, all in the interest of just getting more imaginary points.
Also the process of “enshitification” (not a term I made up, look it up if you hadn’t heard of it) has already started taking place on reddit due to its popularity.
ULS@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I’m part of the problem. 85.4% of my comments shit posts only I think are funny.
EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hey, don’t be like that. I am sure a lot of people find your shitposts funny.
Not me. I looked.
random9@lemmy.world 8 months ago
lol @ the exact percent
But no, I don’t think shitposts by themselves are actually the problem. I think the problem is when when there’s so many people dedicated to making shitposts that serious communities with serious discussions start getting overwhelmed with shitposts, and when there’s so many people who are only interested in shitposts that they upvote those shitposts to the top, often downvoting anyone who might offer a contrarian non-funny opinion.
or IDK, I’m mostly speculating based on personal experience.
Thicc_Jamez@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s not just you. There are dozens of us.
mp3@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
At least there are dedicated spaces for that and most Lemmings are respecting that, if it doesn’t spill out too much to more serious communities then at least there isn’t too much noise to have a good discussion.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Good for you … the road to recovering from being a bot is to first admit it
Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This should be a mug!
Paradachshund@lemmy.today 8 months ago
I do hope that lemmy continues to grow into non-tech demographics. I’m somewhat into tech myself, but I also like a lot of other stuff and I miss that influence from reddit. Lemmy is VERY tech focused right now and we need some other voices in here.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This. So. Much. This.
Kalkaline@leminal.space 8 months ago
Yes! If I had money for goldz, I’d give it to you. Please accept this 🥈in it’s place.
Thatuserguy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Also the process of “enshitification” has already started taking place on reddit due to its popularity.
I started using reddit in 2011. Trust me when I say this isn’t a new trend. Reddit’s has been noticeably and actively getting shittier since at least 2015
Liz@midwest.social 8 months ago
Shitty changes Reddit made that I can name off the top of my head:
- New Reddit
- Reddit Live
- Anything beyond Reddit gold (the concept of paying for Reddit gold was, by itself, not a terrible idea back when we thought Reddit was a decent company)
- Instant chat feature, when DMs already existed
- Pay for API
- Fired their only popular employee, the AMA assistant
You could argue creating a comments section was also a dick move, but that was before my time and it’s fair to say Reddit never would have caught on without it.
They also populated the site with fake accounts in the early days to make it look more popular than it really was. I would be zero percent surprised to find out that they still had fake accounts floating around for purposes I don’t feel like speculating about.
Oh, and Spez edited people’s comments.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
There’s also a big issue of the sheer mass of comments in a post simply drowning out any chance of discussion because only the first few most upvoted ones will usually get seen, so people generally just respond to those to get any interaction on their comments. It’s why the frontpage stuff is always so much worse than smaller subs - because by the time people see it, there’s already 1,000+ comments there.
NightAuthor@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Reddits is end stage enshitification
FMT99@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And now they’re going to train AI on that dataset. The intellectual equivalent of a diet consisting of nothing but chicken nuggets.
Infynis@midwest.social 8 months ago
Most of the people that would have made good comments on Reddit moved to Lemmy as well
Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
I think this is a huge problem with democracy as well. The larger a country, the worse democracy works. Any apparatus of power or wealth attracts parasites only interested in exploiting it. And the larger the lever, the more profit from manipulating it. And the larger the potential gain the more investment costs can you justify.
This isn’t an argument for states rights or federation though, with “divide and conquer” strategies you can copy and paste the same strategy to multiple instances. If there is monetary gain to be had, there will always be an unrelenting force trying to exploit it.
nevemsenki@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Eh, am from a country with 9mil people, and this society simply doesn’t get democracy. So being smaller is hardly any indicator that democracy will work better.
someguy3@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
These have to be bots.
voracitude@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Only the best, the finest human-generated datasets. For the discerning AI trainer.
Welcome to Burger King! Can I take your order?
ohgodherewego.jpg
Can I get a large-
Hell yeah!
-a large Whopper meal with-
Love. This. Order.
-with a side of barbecue sa-
this needs to be on a mug!
Heavy internal sigh
Sauce.
I approve, perfectly stated. That’ll be $98.42, NTA, please pull around to the window to pay and have a yeet day!
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Sadly, this feels way too plausible for me to even laugh at.
snooggums@midwest.social 8 months ago
Yeah, I remember laughing about ridiculous things but now they are all coming true and negatively impacting people.
OpenStars@startrek.website 8 months ago
I did anyway. :-P
At some point, you either laugh or just cry.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
A self driving car pulls around … window opens … sign says to just throw the food inside … auto pay through NFC on the door … car drives away … dumps food into a waiting auto trash compactor … car drives away to next town to order food again … AI powering the car generates another $10,000 worth of bitcoin to start the food ordering cycle again.
KingJalopy@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Do… do I insert a verification can now, or…?
deranger@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Fuck yesss love this
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Does it need to be on a mug?
pendulum_@lemmy.world 8 months ago
and have a yeet day!
Right here officer, this is where they sinned against all of humanity!
tuckerm@supermeter.social 8 months ago
Preach 👏 it 👏 louder 👏
(But like, for real, though.) I certainly don't feel bad for Reddit when the CEO says he intends to use that forum's users to train AIs, and then every comment turns into some "please upvote me" catchphrasey nonsense. Hopefully, whoever buys training data from them receives nothing of value.
Minotaur@lemm.ee 8 months ago
It’s actually kind of crazy how like… stupid Reddit got over the past 2 years.
Like don’t get me wrong Lemmy isn’t exactly an intellectual powerhouse either, but especially on the front page of Reddit it truly feels like you’ve gathered a few thousand of the dumbest people ever and made them high five. Browsing the science and dataisbeautiful subs is insane
mlg@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Surprised the top reply wasn’t “this”
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Fully believe a lot of these are bots. I refuse to believe that humans act like this at that magnitude
Toes@ani.social 8 months ago
I bet they are all bots
vala@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Play Reddit games, win Reddit prizes.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I have gone back a while ago. Some subs are bad but most I frequent are the same as before. I now use lemmy on my phone and reddit on the PC. At least on reddit the Linux cult doesnt try to convert you everytime you say the word windows.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Love. This. Post.
tiredcapillary@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 months ago
Give it some time, Lemmy will get there eventually.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Not much worse than people constantly evangelizing Linux, whining about cars, and all the other Lemmyisms that have seeped between instances.
guywithoutaname@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Wow you just won the internet for today. 🤓
peopleproblems@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh God
Were we that cringy?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Edit: Wow this post blew up, thanks for all the upvotes!
TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
We’re no better here. Lemmy has its own brand of cringe.
ivanafterall@kbin.social 8 months ago
My fellow le gentlesirs, does the narwhal bacon at midnight?
lol, upvote if you understood the reference!
ConstantPain@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I just assume everybody is 12 years old. It’s the only way to explain most of the behaviors I see.
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I left in the big exodus and never considered going back. There’s really only one community (r/Fantasy, because so many actual authors regularly post) I am really missing, but life continues without it.
XEAL@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Come back when there’s another thread full of [Removed]
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Without context this means nothing.
Pretty sure we cam cherry pick dumb comments from various lemmy instances and do the same thing
Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I could probably find something similar on Lemmy. The fixation on Reddit is annoying when people could just use Lemmy and forget about Reddit.
MataVatnik@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Also, the degree of banning now is at another level. My friend got banned site wide for threw days because she used the word moron to describe a mail carried that fucked up real bad.
spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
it’s cringe but equaly cringy is posting it to here and the comments pretending you couldn’t find a dozen similar examples on lemmy lol, like the demographic is not that different.
heaven forbid some cringey individuals spread some positive energy online! they should be more toxic and debate lord-ey with every comment.
reddit always had an incredible individuality, not-like-other-girls complex and it’s truly wonderful to see that that mindset has immediately migrated here. never change, reddit brainrot, my love. 😍
toxicbubble@lemmy.world 8 months ago
thanks for the gold kind strangler
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I see the hive mind is hard at work.
Reddit is becoming the Facebook version of 4chan.
TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 8 months ago
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Tedrow@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Those have to all be bots, right?
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Fucking Reddit with it’s periods after every word. So infuriating!
Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 8 months ago
This have to be bot.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 months ago
Hell yeah!
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Fuck yesssss
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Of course!
andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 8 months ago
It’s probably a whole set of bots and the responses to “this needs to be a coffee mug” are some other account saying “I found one!” and that’s the whole point of the comment chain. Someone has a crappy mug to sell and constructs scenarios that seem natural sih to introduce it.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
There used to be a big issue on Tumblr years ago with bots trolling for comments like that and then stealing whatever picture that comment was on to sell crappy t-shirts of it or whatever. People started fighting back by posting those comments specifically on Disney stuff.
zakobjoa@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My man!
NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 8 months ago
YTA
cypherix93@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Lookin’ good!
crawancon@lemm.ee 8 months ago
YES
TastehWaffleZ@lemmy.world 8 months ago
THIS! THIS RIGHT HERE 💯🎉‼️
CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Today you. Tomorrow me.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Mom’s spaghetti.
Fal@yiffit.net 8 months ago
Happy cake day
Sektor@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Have an upboat, kind stranger.
arefx@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Have an updoot!
toroknos_07@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I know I shouldn’t say this but this
Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
RIP your inbox?
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
What. Do. You. Mean. Fellow. Lemmy. User. ?.
Typing. Like. This. Is. Totally. Normal. L.M.A.O.
moriquende@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is absolutely correct!
mathematicalMagpie@lemm.ee 8 months ago
There are a lot of children on it these days too.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Thank you for this comment!
gmtom@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Came here to say this!