I was against ChatGPT, but now I think it could be useful as a moron honeypot.
CEO Asks ChatGPT How to Void $250 Million Contract, Ignores His Lawyers, Loses Terribly in Court
Submitted 2 weeks ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
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track_stick_baboon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Who would have thought that the workers weren’t the real drones?!
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Watching a CEO get fucked by using AI is orgasmic.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The CEO will be fine at the end of the day.
The workers are going to get fucked, though.
hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
At the moment this is a win for the workers. They should get their full share of the payout, now. The main danger is now their parent company may be hostile to them (or even try to close them) until the parent company CEO gets replaced.
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah. These illegal firings happened around 9 months ago. I doubt these guys had the funds to just sit on the sidelines, doing nothing, hoping that the court would rule in their favour. Even if they’re offered their jobs back, it could be that by now they’ve made other commitments.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
oh god, sounds like Krafton were already assholes. I bet the put the other 250 in and sell it in pieces.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
LLMs are fly honey for stupid people.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is the kind of successful entrepreneur we’re supposed to be looking up to, people.
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Exactly, the fact this dude at Krafton can sign 250 million dollars deals but is also dumb enough to think a ChatGPT lawyer knows better than his own lawyers… It goes to show that many powerful people were just lucky or inherited their wealth but are definitely not successful because they are smart.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is why the LLMs are so popular with execs, they are the ultimate yes men. They will feed ego and purport to give a strategy that will support any dumbass idea without challenging them.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
definitely not successful because they are smart.
I mean, “smart” is a relative term. They were smart enough to find the money hose and latch onto it. But the skills necessary to schmooze $250M out of a creditor are fundamentally different than the skills necessary to manage a workforce or meet the terms of the contract.
You can call it the Peter Principle or the Principle-Agent Problem or any number of other business short-hands for “skills mismatch”. The bottom line is that “meritocracy” in a capitalist system boils down to rent-seeking effectiveness. That’s the skill set that is rewarded. And it produces legions of people who train and compete for the opportunity to maximize rent-seeking returns.
This guy fumbled the ball in a spectacular fashion. But I have no doubt he’ll get back on his horse and find another pool of labor to extract wealth from. Because, if he’s a CEO, he’s honed the skills needed to do exactly that.
What we get to mock him for is his failure, not his decision. If he’d retrieved a useful answer from the ChatGPT answer lottery, or the courts had been stacked with his friends such that any answer he pulled was considered the right one, he’d be hailed as a business genius.
themaninblack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thomas Piketty agrees with you in Capital
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Luck is a factor, but the differentiator is that they have the. Isplaced confidence and drive to just do what they want first. Then the luck let’s them get away with it. It’s kind of like if you get a million people to flip a coin 50 times. Some of them will get all 50 to be heads. So with billions of people in the world. Some have this drive to be on top, misplaced confidence, luck, and situational oportunities (also a good part luck) to end up able to sign 250 million dollar contract. None of that actually requires they have a clue. Sometimes they do, but it isn’t required.
disorderly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Holy hell, the fact that those slack messages and that chatbot history ended up in court is mind blowing. I guess we should be grateful that this time, the bad guy and his hamfisted “Project X” got put in the spotlight.
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
As a brave Ukrainian once said “We are lucky they are so stupid”.
Zink@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I finally got to read this article and the situation is even better/dumber with more context. I didn’t realize the layering at first.
This CEO used AI to avoid paying human lawyers to help him figure out how to avoid paying human game developers.
This asshole needs to get some kind of “Yo Dawg I heard you like AI” anti-award.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jail would be nice. Someone shouldn’t be able to drag that many people through that much pain without repercussions beyond having to do the thing they were avoiding to begin with. Banning his stupid ass from running any more companies would be a decent outcome.
smeenz@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
Haven’t the last few years made it clear that we live in a word without consequences ?
At least for those who most deserve them.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
hes one of those that fully believe the bs that is AI being hyped.
13igTyme@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Krafton did promise to be “AI first” for everything going forward. If you haven’t already blocked the publisher on Steam or other services, do so now.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Good point!
For others doing the same, there’s a little gear icon on the punisher page, with an option " Ignore this creator."
njordomir@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I looked up a similar article without a paywall:
www.gamespot.com/articles/…/1100-6536280/
“Krafton recently declared itself to be an “AI-first company,” which led Unknown Worlds to issue a statement indicating that Subnautica 2 will not feature generative AI.”
The “AI first” shit is pure gold. I love the instant karma. Why are these CEOs throwing their money, reputation, etc. away on AI? Either they are even stupider than I thought, or the tech bros have some kind of massive blackmail machine they’re using to take over everything and puppet all the CEOs.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Execs in this sort of company are narrative first, facts a distant second. LLMs speak their language, something agreeable that sounds right whether it is or not.
BTW, investors are largely in the same boat, they are investing with having no realistic way to know whether the nice things being said are backed by reality up front. They only know if/when it goes down in a blaze.
Further in gaming, maybe they tank some headliner properties with bad reviews if the mess them up, but it’s possible that most of the ‘sold’ games barely even get played, thanks to Steam hoarding. A lot of businesses can coast on past glory for years and years before things blow up, if at all.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, this is the reason it’s so popular with them. While the baseline ass-kissing of chatGPT makes me vomit, they think it’s the greatest invention in the world and don’t understand how somebody doesn’t love it
phx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The LLM will do whatever they tell it to, including making shit up in order to suit the narrative. They’re the ultimate “yes-man” that’s not even human.
Unfortunately for CEO’s, it turns out that yes-men - or yes-machines - aren’t particularly good developers or legal strategists
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
It’s because in order to become a ceo, you have to be a very specific type of person, and the role also attracts this trait of putting money above all else, which fits perfectly to the role.
Imagine if you invested in a company that helmed a ceo that didn’t try to make more money. Right? You’d be upset as the investor-role that your money wasn’t working for you, and would take the guy out.
This is the common, public opinion.
So the same goes for the CEO: that maximum money be made by being different and taking good chances and staying on top of the technology curve. And OpenAI has been, at least what they, themselves, purport, overwhelmingly successful.
This is all to say that the role of CEO draws a ton of people who think a lot of themselves and their abilities, because they think fake it until you make it is the role, because it largely is: you have to make bets on decisions to lead like that. Which makes CEOs this sort of hollow, fake-person sort of capitalist sociopath.
And them betting on AI-first, then, makes a ton of sense if you’re that specific type of person. Because, unless you have your own skills and opinions, you will be beholden to the dumbest, fakest, skewed statistical other bullshitters in the world.
Right now, the companies making all these mistakes that all of us with actual skills and opinions can clearly see, those are just the companies that don’t matter, that are leeching off the backs of real industries. Like a group of kids all cheating off each other in a test, and suddenly a bunch of them get the same wrong answer.
They’re literally the people, and boards of people who put them there, who have no fucking idea what they’re doing, and in my personal opinion, are very clearly illustrating a weak point with society and humanity and our values and structures across the world. We’ll get past this one, for sure. But there will be more. That is the both the curse and the gift of existence.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The “AI first” shit is pure gold
It’s a pitch to investors. There’s dumb money being flung left and right like chimpanzee poop in the zoo
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Same thing happened with blockchain to a lesser extent. I remember my old company forcing us to put blockchain in something, anything, so they could add it to the sales pitches.
eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
They’re simply stupider than you thought. They buy into hype so fast without really listening to the experts already on the team.
vinyl@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ehhh 404 still has a bit more to say on
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Either they are even stupider than I thought, or the tech bros have some kind of massive blackmail machine they’re using to take over everything and puppet all the CEOs.
I think it’s a little of each.
The ones not being blackmailed are desperately trying to look like they’re impactful enough to blackmail.
njordomir@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know the type. They list themselves exclusively on job search sites for high earners like “Ladders”, they don’t listen to their employees ever because they’re a subhuman resource, they are first in line at every ceremony or circle jerk meeting, but nowhere to be found when actual work needs done, they spent the last few years bringing up how badly they want to go back to the office full time, and they unironically speak in corporatese even on Christmas. They like sports teams because they’re popular and a good segway, not because they care about the team, they view it as their duty to keep the ranks broken down and working hard in fear of their jobs.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t know any CEOs, but I’ve known many business owners in my life and I’ve been one. The majority (not all) absolutely despise payroll as their biggest expense. They hate their employees, which will be replaced as soon as technologically and financially possible.
This is why there is a huge push for AI, every one of these greedy bastards would be perfectly fine with replacing every single employee. They see it as an improvement.
We as a society in the USA have gotten businesses backwards and put the cart before the horse, in my opinion. Our goal shouldn’t be “shareholders will get the cream of the crop!”, that road simply leads to a small group of people being fabulously wealthy and they see their employees as a middle man that hey would rather eliminate.
We can change how corporations work at any time, but we’ll need to get rid of our government first. They won’t legislate themselves out of generational wealth, it’s a fantasy to think otherwise. Never, ever in the history of Earth has the ruling class decided “hmmm I’m starting to feel guilty about rolling around in a pool full of gold Krugerands maybe this is a little much”
fishy@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
100% accurate. I ran a family owned grocery and the owners never shut up about payroll. As soon as I started managing a department it was “you’re overstaffed” every flipping week. I explained my plan to use the extra hours to have the employees trained on how to make more prepared food instead of buying the premade junk. They complained and complained until the end of the second month when my numbers for prepared food in that single month grossed enough to pay for the extra staff need for over half the year.
They still complained I was overstaffed.
Soup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No one is dumber than a rich person, except perhaps the people who are actively being screwed by them and who still believe that having money means the rich person must have earned it.
olympicyes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s worth pointing out that the company and CEO in question are South Korean.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
It’s a global issue that should be tackled, but American flavour capitalsm is definitely spreading through the world.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Never, ever in the history of Earth has the ruling class decided “hmmm I’m starting to feel guilty about rolling around in a pool full of gold Krugerands maybe this is a little much”
Yeah, reformers have never existed.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Note I said “ruling class” as a whole. Of course there are reformers, madmen, vegetarians, philosophers, and so on throughout.
that goes without saying, friend. But, feel free to continue to point out the obvious that everyone knows. It’s fun and not droll at all.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
reformers are the exception, they don’t represent the class
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Reformers don’t feel guilty. They’re trying to stave off the inevitable guillotines.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
When I’m in a “make game unattractive to buyers before it comes out” competition and my opponent is Krafton
LordMayor@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I loved Subnautica. I’ve replayed it more than any game I own. I got it for free from Epic (the only way I get games from Epic). I bought it for Switch. I bought Below Zero. The franchise was shaping to be a “here, take my money” deal.
I don’t want Subnautica 2. I mean, I want a Subnautica 2 not Krafton Subnautica 2.
I reserve some blame for the original owners/devs. If they hadn’t sold out, if they had followed more of a Hello Games model, they could’ve coasted indefinitely churning out cool games to loyal fans.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The original owners retained full creative control though. It would have been fine if Krafton didn’t try to fuck them over
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
If I have to use AI to argue my case in court, it is because I don’t have enough money to hire a lawyer. You would think a CEO would understand their position in life.
mPony@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This indicates that the CEO in question actually misunderstood their lawyer’s position in life. AI-pushers really do think that all workers are expendable. They have absolutely drunk the Flavour-Aid on all of this.
They probably don’t even see this as an “oopsie”, just an argument to throw even more resources at the AI, because they’re SO CLOSE to never having to pay a human for work ever again.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Clearly this CEO only wants to deal with “yes” men etc. If you don’t agree with him then he’ll find somebody else who will.
LordMayor@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
But, if you’re a CEO, and lawyer tells you, “no, the contract is solid. Honor it,” what are you to do? Why, ask an agreeable LLM for an answer that conforms to your world view because, obviously, you’re right because you’re the CEO.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The stupidest thing is that ChatGPT originally told him to pay them too. He had to get creative with the prompts in order to get actionable suggestions.
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or you are too cheap and stupid to pay a lawyer….
gnutrino@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
In this case even dumber than thar: he paid a lawyer (or rather, the company did) then chose to ignore their advice and go with ChatGPT instead.
VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
What’s that smell in the air? Is it the smell of Schadenfreude?
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
OP if you’re gonna post a paywalled article, can you at least copy the full text of it into the thread? Most of us cannot read more than two paragraphs of this piece, ensuring that most participants here are talking around the headline only.
ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Paywall bypass: archive.is/yIkXA
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Excellent! Thank you!
biscuitfree@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Block java on the page :p
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Dad you’re on the internet again, you know you’re not supposed to be on the internet, because you say dumb things and then people laugh at you.
Jenpocalypse@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Try this:
Sv443@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Here’s a video if you wanna passively listen to it while working out to get all the anger at corporations out: youtu.be/T8dIXsS9sZA
it_depends_man@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
THAT is what happened?! Wow, that is hilarious!
The legal battle is ongoing, but Kim looks set to lose.
I am SO curious what will happen here and what the final verdict will be. Trying to cheat someone out of 250 million has to result in some enormous fine at least right?
mPony@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We can only hope. Wouldn’t be surprised if it follows the age-old “keep appealing to a higher court until you reach dependable corruption” model.
Red_October@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
It’s weird, where are all the people who were saying the launch delay was probably for valid reasons? Where are the people saying that it couldn’t have all been lies because that would just come out in court? Where are those few vigorous defenders of Krafton now? There’s a big plate of shit here and they must be hungry.
Kushan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
To be fair, not to defend the CEO at all but when this story first broke it was so wild that you knew someone had to be making up some serious bullshit but it was just so out there, it could have been either side.
Why anyone decided to pick sides is beyond me, this is why courts exist.
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
They fired all of the devs before release to miss the release target to avoid paying shipping bonuses. There is only one side to chose. The one with morals.
Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
This is so dumb. I never believed the hype around CEOs, but I still thought they needed to have something, anything, to reach their position.
But the artificial dumbness time really reveals how many of them simply had simply dumb luck and no morals. And that was apparently enough for all of human history because their underlings protected them from acting to stupid. And now they think they don’t need those underlings anymore. Well, at least I can laugh myself to death before the climate wars.
Rothe@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
The “no morals” part is their main qualifier
snooggums@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
A close second is connections to others with money and no morals.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
simply being an asshole and not caring about how your actions affect other people can get you surprisingly far in life
just imagine all the time that you save if you never return your shopping cart, or park anywhere you want, or butt to the front of lines
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
So, per the article, mr CEO didn’t want to pay the devopers their well earned extra from hitting a sales goal, so the wooden doll asked chatGePeTo how to avoid that. Even Gepeto said that it was going to “be difficult”, but Kim Becile insisted on a plan.
The first step was posting a message on Subanutica’s website to get fans on his side. According to court documents, Kim said the goal of the message was to “secure public support from fans and legal validation of our legitimacy.” He then suggested that ChatGPT write it for him. It achieved the opposite of his intended goal. Fans found the message bizarre and worried about the future of the game. Those fears were compounded when Kim fired the game’s original creators and entered into a legal battle with them.
I’d like to meet a CEO of a similar megacorp that isn’t both a complete fucking idiot AND an absolute psychopath. Surely there has to be one?
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What a fucking piece of shit.
I have to admit, every time a story like this comes out, it makes me distrust any other large company all the more. When this whole thing first started, I already expected the publisher to be lying. Looks like the pattern holds true!
testaccount372920@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Paywalled
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Publisher for Hi-Fi Rush, and PUBG. Wow…
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not just a wanker, also a pea-brained gibbering dicksplat.
meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What a greedy, dumb piece of shit 😂
87Six@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
For the record this was not a dev company CEO. He’s the publisher company CEO, you know, the usual bastards.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Further proof of how many CEOs are psychopaths.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If there was any justice, he would have to pay out double the entire amount (including bonus) to the devs.
AbsoluteAggressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Man. Unknown Worlds. I miss what you were. HL mods, NS2 betas, Subnatiuca release, the old forums.
masta_chief@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I bet this will make it into the writing of Hifi Rush 2. (Tango Gameworks got bought by Krafton). The whole game is refreshingly unabashedly anti corporate and dunks on corporate culture in every way they can
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I despise “tech bros” at the best of times
There are too many halfwits with solutions desperately searching for a problem
The fact that him sniffing his own farts was his undoing makes me incredibly happy
ryan_@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
My first reaction is: lmao fuck Krafton
My second reaction is: you absolute fucking idiot, what did you expect when you sold to a mega corpo??
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When asked about it AI said “No comment.”
Deestan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Kim: Aw shit I regret my contract. Maybe I can get out of it by lying. I need tons of lies. I need to lie and bullshit like a madman. I nees to spout tons of absolute unhinged bullshit with a straight face.
ChatGPT: This. Is. My. Moment.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Sounds like our government. It sounds like our whole fucking modern society.
grue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Too bad ChatGPT lacks the self-awareness (let alone any actual reasoning skills whatsoever) to appreciate it.
teslekova@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This sort of hilarious act of subversion (pun intended) makes me wonder if the loonies who think it’s sentient are right.