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• fibojoly@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well, how does he feel about taytoes? That’s how you can really tell.

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• Cruel@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s no way you people would think she’s racist if she wasn’t transphobic.

  She was very accepting of Hermione being cast as a black girl. Seaman was just used as comedic relief in the movies, much moreso than in the books, with his magical mistakes causing explosions being primarily when he was a kid. He was loyal and high achieving character.

  Meanwhile, the blonde character who uses the offense slur “mudblood” is the childhood villain for most the books. Yet she is racist for this somehow too, I imagine.

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  • PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, guys! She’s not racist, she loooves Black girls!

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  • mad_djinn@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    YOU’RE DOING THAT THING THAT REDDITORS DO

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  • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s no way you people would think she’s racist

    That’s mainly because she was hyped up for so long and she didn’t go all out, but it wasn’t long until someone noticed the Gringot’s bankers were Jewish Stereotypes and some of the names were a bit iffy. But I think it really was a “Little Britain” situation where we didn’t get it until the second read through.

    Also, in her books for adults, she’s gone mask off, especially against Mixed Race people.

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  • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    she had a reputation for racial stereotyping even before she went mask-off as a terf, decades back. like naming the one Asian character Cho Chang (sounds like ching chang chong; both names are from different Asian countries), naming the one Black character Kingsley Shacklebolt (King from MLK, shackle from slavery), naming the Jewish character Anthony Goldstein, naming an Irish character Seamus Finnegan…

    …it’s not that she was necessarily super racist, she just used very stereotypical/over the top names for her characters. so I don’t hate her for being racist, I hate her for being transphobic.

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    • Droggelbecher@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And to be fair, not all of those are equally bad. Seamus Finnagan and Anthony Goldstein could very well be real people. The other two are so much worse, especially now that you’ve made me realise the slavery connection.

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    • redwattlebird@lemmings.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      About Cho Chang though, she actually looked up the meanings and choose Cho because it meant butterfly. I’ve never really associated that character’s name as a play on the racist stereotype, being Oriental myself. I’ve just associated it with general western ignorance.

      As abhorrent as she is now, she was a queer ally but just didn’t understand trans, like many people around her age and demographic. She reacted to the massive backlash and drove herself into the weeds.

      She’s horrible now and deserves all the hate but know that she’s a result of our own making. I think if any new people express a misunderstanding, it’s far better to make a bridge to correct that misunderstanding. It takes a lot on our part, trans and trans allies, but I’d rather make a friend out of a fool than a foolish enemy.

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• But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Im so glad she has no idea what Mexicans or latinos are. We would have gotten “Jose frijoles” a Mexican wizard with a moustache and hat who throws a spanish word into every sentence.

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  • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If she wrote a South East Asian she probably would name it Coolieboy Sambal. Who is an errand boy of one of teachers who tries to tame the boy and make him less “savage”

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t know if I’m laughing art JKR’s racism or at that funny racist sketch.

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    • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s ok to laugh at satire of racists 👍

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    • Hupf@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Racism is so much fun amirite?

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  • peteypete420@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ok I know I shouldnt have, but that did make me chuckle.

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s no “shouldn’t have” here. We can laugh at these things. This was a joke about how racist JKR is, not a joke about the race it depicts.

      There are good and bad jokes about racial stereotypes. Are we making fun of Mexicans or are we making fun of racist peoples’ stereotypes about Mexicans? I’d argue this joke was the latter.

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• JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I find it amazing that she can be so fucking tone deaf.

  Like, wasn’t half of your entire best-selling series about equality/prejudice, you daft fucking terf?

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  • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Miss Granger is at best overzealous, and her goals are, at worst, unattainable. Hermione may have meant well, but at the same time did end up dragging a peaceful group into a political battlefield just because she felt that’s what they should want. Was she helping, or interfering in a culture she didn’t understand?

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  • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    She basically store materials from all kinds of various books

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  • hypnicjerk@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves

    no, the house elves loved being slaves and hermione was being hysterical for fighting for their rights.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Which is also amazing because she is simultaneously a target herself for being muggle-born.

      Meanwhile in the real world, bigotry is still common among oppressed groups. See also: racism in LGBT communities.

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, but Hermione was one of the good ones and the system found her and elevated her.

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• UltraBlack@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They see me (rowling), they hating

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  • FosterMolasses@leminal.space ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This made me laugh way harder than it should’ve, bwahaha

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• BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  She’s also derivative as hell, but children’s lit doesn’t get real deep reviews, and we were all too busy defending it from Christianity to really notice.

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  • RunawayFixer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As a child I read Groosham Grange from Anthony Horowitz, and when I first heard a description of Harry Potter, I thought that they were describing that book from Horowitz. I can’t believe no one else noticed. But I also think that most people active in children’s literature will have an attitude of “anything that gets a child reading, is a good thing”, so they’re not that upset about poor quality being popular and they’d rather keep the positive vibe going.

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    • OmegaMouse@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh that’s interesting! I hadn’t heard of that series, but I adored the Alex Rider books as a kid. Horowitz’s children’s books at least feel well written.

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  • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The erasure of Worst Witch is a crime.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      starring Tim Curry? how have i missed this

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• MimicJar@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I know this is just a meme but isn’t this scene of Seamus Finnigan a movie only scene?

  There are plenty of reasons to shit on JK Rowling, but shouldn’t this one be on the director? (Assuming it was done on purpose.)

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  • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No one seems to have had any issue with the stereotyping didnt seem to appear until the internet decided she was a cunt. The reality is that the character is one of the better ones in the book. Yes, hes stereotyped and the blowing up gags are a lot. But the character is never shat on. Never made to be the butt of the joke. Hes shown to be brave, funny, loyal. He grows up over the course of the books, and his character goes through some shit.

    The main issue seems to be that Americans dont understand, that people over here arent so thin skinned. We can take jokes about stereotypes on the chin. Pretty much everyone in the book is stereotyped in some way. But none of it ever comes across as mean spirited.

    Its all just “JK bad” shit. Instead of focusing on her, the things she says and does. People want to make out like everything she ever did was shit. Its silly.

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    • frostysauce@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So… Stereotypes are OK as long as they aren’t “mean spirited?”

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    • CovfefeKills@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That bank Harry goes to has a Star of David on the floor. The bank staffed by hideous trolls. It is genuinely funny just how bigoted this women, and by extension the director(s) have been this entire time.

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• krooklochurm@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It may also be interesting for you to learn that Puerto Ricans can hang from steel beams for hours.

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• TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The Troubles was so long ago for me that the character quirk went over my head.

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The films added the stereotypes. They made the goblins hooked nosed and added a Star of David decoration to the greengots bank floor.

    It’s not in the books but Rowling still had huge control over the film so retains responsibility.

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    • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s not a star of david, and it wasn’t added for the film. That’s the floor of the Freemasons Hall in London.

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  • The_v@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Allow me to hit me with my cane. The Manchester blast was fucking loud.

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    • deltapi@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      …wut

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m surprised he wasn’t also black.

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  • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    She’d call him Kwame Kongo

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• pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What’s racist about it? I’m not racist enough to understand

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  • Wander@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Americans seem to miss that the IRA (Irish Republican Army) were terrorists. Lots of people were killed including children.

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  • frizzo@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So your not American? Never drank a certain Irish named drop shot drink?

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    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The car bomb always sounded like it was referring to the events, but I was surprised to learn much later that the black and tan was also talking about something from history. I just assumed it was the colors of the beers.

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    • BreadOven@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m familiar with the shot and the years of conflict. But I didn’t realize that’s what it was referring to initially. Sometimes it takes some help for people to piece it together.

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think what you want to ask is what’s the trouble, mate.

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  • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To say the UK and Ireland have had explosive interactions in the past would be a bit of an understatement. There were spates of car bombings, shootings, and other forms of violence all along the border of Northern Ireland (Due to both sides believing Northern Island should be part of their nation).

    Rowling probably takes a more pro-UK stance, and therefore is comparing the Irish people to the IRA (Irish Republican Army) bombers.

    The conflict(s) were part of a period known as The Troubles (Wiki page linked)

    Disclaimer - I’m an American outsider with an interest in learning about history, so I may not have the most accurate summary of events from either side of the story. The Wikipedia article should summarize incidents much better.

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    • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fighting along the border was entirely immaterial. There are a large number of English who either don’t know Ireland ia a different country, or that Northern Ireland is part of the UK. The only thing that registers for most is that “the IRA” set off some very large bombs in Manchester, Birmingham, London and Brighton, fired an RPG at the MI6 building and a mortar at Downing Street.

      Its highly inaccurate to claim The Troubles as a border dispute, and most of the bloodshed was in the urban areas of NI. Most of the dead in NI were killed by their “own” side as reprisals for percieved disloyalty.

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    • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I feel this characterises it as more of a border dispute between nation states. I’m not going to get into the rights and wrongs of any side in this (because it’ll take far too long and frankly I doubt I could be completely objective). I’m commenting only to say it wasn’t that.

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    • pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Interesting stuff, thanks for the info!

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    • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is the shit they should teach us in school. The American education system sucks. Almost everything i’ve learned about world history I learned myself.

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    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To add to that you also have the people living there rather split on which country they would like to be part of

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• Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not so sure, I think the Irish would be proud of their history of making things explode.

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  • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Only some of them, it’s very divisive I think. Can an Irish lad confirm?

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    • John_CalebBradberton@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Its divisive in Ireland.

      Opinions on everything from that time vary widely.

      Im born and reared in Cork btw.

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    • yeather@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The more South you go the less divisive it gets.

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  • W3dd1e@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Guessing it’s due to the IRA bombings?

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    • neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Correct.

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• Armand1@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, calling the only black dude Shacklebolt as well. The more you look the worst it gets.

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  • ProjectPatatoe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Misread this as (Rusty) Shackleford.

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  • MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is it true that the centaur from movie 1 had more lines than all the black characters in all 7 books?

    And then modern fans get mad at black Snape in the TV show (if that gets to finish. My bets is it will patter out like the fantastic beasts movies)

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    • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      black Snape in the TV show

      lmfao, there’s a TV show??

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fans get mad about black Snape because it would instantly make Harry look like an ultra racist without rewriting half the book.

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  • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Even the Irish kid gets worse in the books. Apart from making things explode, his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.

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    • FluxUniversity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I bet kids laughed at these characterizations at the time too.

      Im glad that we have progressed enough as a society that we can see how bad this is now.

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    • runner_g@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As and American I’m also trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.

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    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Distilleries also have the danger of exploding.

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    • paranoia@feddit.dk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.

      In fucking fairness half of your personal goals as an Irish teenager in the 90s and 2000s related to acquiring alcohol and getting drunk.

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  • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Jesus fucking Christ what? there was a character named shacklebolt???

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    • Armand1@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Like a lot of the worst stuff in the book, it didn’t make it into the movies I think.

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    reminds me of “spear chucker” on MASH.

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  • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nah… come on… please, let that not have been a conscious thing

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  • clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh goodness, I never thought of that.

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• ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Cho Chang

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• ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  JK Rowling Irish stereotypes
  

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