I’m not sure who’s she targeting because I know a lot of guys who would love to have birth control pills.
She is making a GREAT point
Submitted 5 months ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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fodor@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
Bluewing@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It ain’t like pharma ain’t been trying to make male birth control pills. Lord knows they’d love the extra money.
But it turns out to be damn difficult to get right.
Jarix@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They have made it. Had human trials with effects that killed the trials.
Most of the men in the trials wanted to keep taking it so their partners didn’t have to bear that burden alone.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
and no sane woman should believe that, because if she will later find the guy was lying, it is not going to be the guy having to deal with the consequence. so it is quite stupid take.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If you’re having sex with random, unknown, untrusted people, you better use a condom anyway, because pregnancy isn’t the worst thing that can happen, so the point is kinda moot anyway.
Mubelotix@jlai.lu 5 months ago
What? You could say that when reversed, but until proven otherwise, women have every rights and the power to chose what happens, unlike men who don’t have a say
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 5 months ago
No sane person should leave something that important to the sole responsibility of someone else no matter who they are.
davidagain@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If the numbers were correct and your aim was to reduce pregnancies, you could prevent 90% of pregnancies by getting roughly 90% of sexually active women to take the pill. Getting 99.95% of sexually active men to take the pill would have NO effect whatsoever on the pregnancy rate, because the remaining 1 in 2000 men would continue to meet and impregnate a woman roughly once every hours for roughly 12 hours a day with breaks for food and resting his dick for 9 months straight, with time to visit 430 women a second time in case these miracle impregnators somehow didn’t always impregnate on first meeting a woman. (This would very drastically reduce diversity in the gene pool and the world would be very very very badly interbred within two generations.)
But of course humans don’t behave like the numbers suggest AT ALL, thank goodness.
Highlandcow@feddit.uk 5 months ago
Well to be fair they are trying to make male protection pills
teslasaur@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Reminds me of the joke: If you have a a key that can open thousands of locks, then that is what you’d call a master key.
However if you have a lock that can be opened by a thousand keys…
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The most commonly produced, available, and used birth control method worldwide is the latex condom, used by everyone who has a penis. Try again.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
I have tried my very best with partners, but 9 times a day? Even with the most willing partner I’m not man enough for that!
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The trick is not to cum. Then you can last all day.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 months ago
I tried 4 times in a 24 hour period once with a partner and we were both far too sore to finish the last time. Maybe if we did so more regularly we might have been able to do it but the flesh is weaker than the spirit a lot of times
MrSulu@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Sometimes we need to fly solo, but not sure that would have helped me in the same scenario
Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 months ago
Even as a kid, my record was 5 wanks in a day.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
These are crucial personal data points that we can always recall
davidagain@lemmy.world 5 months ago
MrSulu, you stud! I heard that gay men get more sex, but that’s a bold attempt. Does Brad now about this?!
MrSulu@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
My reality is not achieve the leaderboard of the adolescent imaginations.
recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Someone tell her condoms exist and it’s men’s job to buy and wear them. Prevention is both genders responsibility. If they make a pill for men I’ll happily take it.
Jarix@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If I wanted a penis inside me, I would take responsibility to have one available, because I wanted it inside me.
I don’t understand this logic. Sex is not any one person’s responsibility to be safe
chunes@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Not everything is a conspiracy against women
JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 months ago
I do think that birth control pills having 1 week of sugar pills to force periods rather than 1 week of optional pills to allow skipping periods is pretty fucked up though. The term conspiracy is pretty intense though. But it’s super fucked.
Jarix@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Was curious about the placebos and came across this if you are interested.
srh.bmj.com/content/…/214.full.pdf
A paper that suggests there is no medical evidence why there should be a break in hormonal pills and that you can simply just start a new pack of pills and continue going on with your life
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s less of a conspiracy and more that it didn’t even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn’t solely a woman’s responsibility
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Is that why men have been wrapping their dicks in all sorts of weird shit for thousands of years? Animal intestines and bladders to name but a few. Fuck your “in historical terms”, youre talking out of your arse, just like every other sexist who makes hating men part of their personality.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Well yes. But it also occured to society that stopping 1 egg per month is easier than millions of sperm every day.
yakko@feddit.uk 5 months ago
You say that as if women haven’t been treated like property in nearly every society ever since we learned how to farm
chunes@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This is one of the dumbest wagons to hitch that argument to in particular.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 5 months ago
So in this imaginary never ending orgy it would still make sense for the women to take the pill because if 99% of the men do the other 1% will somehow make every single women pregnant.
angrystego@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s the woman who’d get pregnant and who doesn’t want to. Should she rely on whether the men took their pills correctly? Taking hormones sucks for many women, but they’re happy to be able to have birth control in their hands.
balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 5 months ago
Taking hormones can also be a significant positive, depends on the person.
Gladaed@feddit.org 5 months ago
Yes, but this is not about the poll having positive side effects.
LorIps@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah, I think people forget why the pill was such a game changer: It allowed women, without the permission or knowledge of their husband/sexual partner, to decide wether or not they wanted to get pregnant.
kunaltyagi@programming.dev 5 months ago
Should there be an temporary contraceptive for men? Yes, it gives agency to men and also provides an alternative to women who can’t use female contraception for a multitude of reasons.
Will that be preferred by all women? Hell no
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Technically, men’s sperm takes some time between three days to two weeks as it travels up from the testees to the seminal vesicles, and before that it takes something like 72 days for sperm to be made in the testees via spermatogenesis (although this process is constant regardless of number of ejaculations), meaning that while technically a man could impregnate 9 women a day, realistically a man couldn’t because after the first few their viable sperm count would drastically falter.
sonofearth@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Just use condoms and don’t hookup with random people. No pills needed for any gender. They are harmful.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Nice try mr. pervert, you were trying to make me think about a woman nine months pregnant getting plowed nine times in a row.
Jarix@lemmy.world 5 months ago
You wrote that comment so they accomplished that started goal of making you think about it
NoFun4You@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Up vote
Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s only about subjugation and cruelty. That’s why we live in a rape culture run by pedofiles and rapists. It’s by design
Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Medical science is not that black and white.
Think about birth control in terms of preventing death and disfigurement. Men don’t die from pregnancy, women do.
When women take birth control, it has the upside of not dying in pregnancy, having horrific pain in the process, or permanent changes to their body. Birth control has a lot of side effects, but at the end of the day, the maternal mortality rate of women who take birth control is far lower.
The reason why medical trials for male birth has been put on hold before, is because when weighing the side effects vs benefits of male birth control, men did not have to weight against death and suffering through pregnancy. Thus, the justification for male birth control requires a much higher bar.
While discrimination against women is prevalent in medicine, this isn’t as simple as an instance of dismissing male birth control because men didn’t like it. The process through which new modern medicines are vetted requires comparing the positive and negative outcomes of a medication, and that doesn’t necessarily take gender dynamics into account.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They should have both been available a long time ago pbs.org/…/gender-bias-kill-male-birth-control
AquaTofana@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I, as a pro-birth control/pro-choice lady, believe lady-oriented birth control has nothing to do with that (perhaps naiively).
Pregnancy, even the healthiest, safest ones, are hard on our bodies. That means that anything that prevents them is theoretically better than if we’re constantly/repeatedly pregnant. Even if its harmful for mental health or long term effects on organs. Pregnancy fucks us up outright both mentally and physically. Like day one.
Obviously I’m simplyifying a bit, but you understand the gist of my logic.
Men dont have HAVE to deal with pregnancy, period, so anything that introduces harm, even minutely, is automatically a worse quality-of-life option for them.
Am I pro-male birth control? Hell yeah I am. I just recognize that they’re giving up more than we would be to accept the same risks, given that they dont have to experience pregnancy to begin with, and I dont trust/expect them to do that.
Therefore, it makes logical sense to me that we’re the ones targeted.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Ok, at the end of the day women are the ones that get pregnant. If you’re living a life of one night stands, who’s more at risk? The woman who’s on nothing, or the guy that’s just like “uhhh ya, I’m on that”.
Kind of a poor way of looking at it imo. Guard your house. Don’t expect the predators to guard it.
curiousaur@reddthat.com 5 months ago
This is just logically wrong.
If birth control was only made for men, and 90% of men were on birth control, you could end up with far more pregnancies than if it’s for women and 90% of women were on it.
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of the argument.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
I don’t understand you logic. Are you saying the remaining 10% of men would impregnate a disproportionate amount of women?
echodot@feddit.uk 5 months ago
By the logic of the image, yes.
LeFantome@programming.dev 5 months ago
Yes. Because 10% of men is enough to impregnate all the women.
GianBarGian@feddit.it 5 months ago
Yes, that’s exactly the point of the post in the first place, 1 man can impregnate many women, a woman can’t get impregnated (contemporary) by many men
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 months ago
The Lemmycels are pretty angry at this one, but on the other hand it’s pretty silly to trust dudes with birth control when you’re the one that gets pregnant.
jali67@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
People who didn’t make it beyond high school level biology think this meme is some sort of hard hitting argument 😆 it is much easier to control terminating 1-2 eggs in a cycle than millions of sperm without causing infertility.
Gladaed@feddit.org 5 months ago
It’s a reductive argument. It suggests that the world actively decided to harm woman. A man not taking a contraceptive or forgetting to could inflict disproportionate harm on another person. There are many great reasons why it is the way it is.
Also the numbers are all out of whack. It makes sense that some would argue against it.
curiousaur@reddthat.com 5 months ago
What do you mean by that first sentence?
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The whole comment is only a single sentence…
Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 months ago
But we’ve had the technology to make it an option for a long time
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 months ago
Sure, but as others have pointed out you’d still just end up with literally everyone on birth control.
Which is fine. Certainly makes random failures less likely.
ikidd@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Maybe you should just count yourself lucky that you get to control your own fertility. In civilized countries at least.
Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
That’s quickly coming to an end.
echodot@feddit.uk 5 months ago
I think it’s the civilised that’s coming to an end.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
classic engineering mistake, trying to fix the problem where it occurs (baby popps out), instead of where it originates (baby gets put in). Can’t be too mad at them for that. Everyone makes that mistake when they start out.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 months ago
Nah, engineering wise you can’t verify if a man actually has taken a pill and the sad reality is that women get stuck with the child and abortion rights are under attack. It’s like trying to implement authorization without any way to verify that the user is actually authorized. You can’t just go on vibes alone.
echodot@feddit.uk 5 months ago
That’s not how engineering works. That’s like saying that you don’t need gas release valves you just need to never over pressure the line. Now obviously the objective is to never over pressure the line, but it’s good to have contingencies in place in case it happens.
You could equally say that you don’t need to be on birth control if you just always use condom but sometimes they fail.
MissJinx@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Where are those men?! rhe ones I met would impregnate 1 woman each week and that’s in a good month
Tabooki@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s not like they haven’t tried. Most men would love to be able to ensure they don’t get snared. 😉
Scirocco@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The best option all around that I’ve seen is Vasagel, which is the western development based on RISUG which was a successful Indian trial
The major complication for it has been that no pharma wants to invest in it, likely because if doesn’t have good profit potential.
It is a one-time ‘shot’ of a physical gel that blocks the vas deferens (sperm channel) and is fully reversible simply by being flushed out again.
However, since it is not an ongoing monthly profit ahem, prescription, there is not a lot of money to be made.
No hormones, no pills, fully reversible, simply blocks the sperm exactly like a vasectomy, just very easily reversed. It can all be done in clinic with a syringe (perhaps tho the syringe will be a blocker for some men)
theparadox@lemmy.world 5 months ago
So once again, it’s capitalism. Surprise surprise.
qarbone@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Is the syringe in the dong? Because that’s a beeg no for me. I’m not squeamish around needles but am squeamish about the dong and dings.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s not rocket science, it’s much easier to prevent one egg from being fertilized than to stop a hoard sperm from fertilizing…
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Generic image of attractive woman with text meme.
I’m sure this is well thought through and factual.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Back when I was younger and on the road all the time I would have loved to have a pill that guaranteed I didn’t have a critical hit. But even at my peak nine times a day would have had me pushing rope.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Dumb. It’s a lot easier to stop one egg a month, than zillions of sperm multiple times a day. Simple as that.
Ringtail@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
Not if ya snip snip
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Exactly. In the case of men, that has turned out to be the most effective method in blocking a literal flood of sperm.
People claim m that men would use a daily pill, but guys don’t want their women getting pregnant any more than the women do, at least not until they are ready. If it existed, most guys would gladly take a pill that would keep them from 18 years of child support, just like most women do. In fact, having double contraception would reduce unwanted pregnancies significantly, which would also reduce the abortion rate, which might help bringing down the political temperature a bit (no, it won’t).
It’s not us men resisting male contraception, most of us would love it. It’s just not mechanically as easy to do for men as it is for women. It’s a science problem, not a market segment problem. Make it, and there will be customers for it.
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 5 months ago
She has no points
A) women are voluntarily driving 100% of demand for this drug B) if we could make it for guys, we would. C) if we did unplanned pregnancies would dry up and women’s power/control of birth would change vastly for the first time in our biological history.
This screen shot is meaningless kindergarten thinking.
Ringtail@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
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Wilco@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
YCT-529 just passed human safety trials last July. Its coming … so men won’t be.
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Been hearing that for 30 years. That and the rapture is tomorrow. And aliens coming the day after that.
echodot@feddit.uk 5 months ago
That’s not birth control that’s just like having a vasectomy. The big power of birth control is that it works after the fact so if you wake up in the morning and you realise you’ve made a mistake, you have options.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah, neat math, but biology isn’t a group project where everyone gets an equal share. Female birth control exists because it’s actually doable. One egg a month is easy to manage, shutting down millions of sperm without wrecking everything else? Not so much.
And every time male birth control does make it to trials, guys tap out the second they get a mood swing or a cramp. Meanwhile, women have been tanking those side effects for decades just to keep the rest of us from multiplying like rabbits.
So no, science didn’t “target the wrong gender.” It just went with the one that could handle it.
Ringtail@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
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JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 months ago
I know a lot of people who take birth control pills to regulate their bodies rather than prevent pregnancy.