Marketing Doesn't Work on Nerds

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• rafoix@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Has anyone been to any kind of convention for nerdy things. Nerds are so captured by the marketing and products being sold that they let it take over their personality and they can’t stop buying junk.

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  • cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, this is self-aggrandizement from a group of people who consistently believe they’re smarter and more self-aware than everybody else, when in reality they just lack self-awareness. Nerds will smugly post in this thread as a wall of funk pops and Star Wars slop looms behind them.

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    • frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pretty much, yeah.

      The article points out how a bunch of specific techniques don’t work on programmers. That’s because they’re aimed at project managers, not programmers. And yeah, they work. No programmer willingly chose Jira for their ticketing system, but project managers love that shit.

      All it really means is that it takes a different set of marketing techniques to reach programmers. They generally don’t bother, because programmers don’t typically control the budget directly.

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    • lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I believe that thinking you’re immune to something makes you even more vulnerable, because it creates a cognitive blind spot. If you think you can’t make mistakes, you don’t stop to wonder if you are making one.

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    • FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You just described Geeks. Geek and Nerd group labels can sometimes apply to the same people, but they are not synonymous, and a person can be one without the other.

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    • ThePantser@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I disagree, I don’t fall into the category you stated. My walls are lined with 80s memorabilia and 3d printed things I have created. I reject anything advertised to me and will only purchase tech that I have sought out that meets my needs.

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    • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • CriticalMiss@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t have a single funko pop or Star Wars toy or whatever. I have a Keychron keyboard that cost me $70, while it is more costly than the average membrane I like mechanical ones. I never buy new if I can (usually this is a time constraint, I.e I broke my phone and I need to replace it quick one because my job relies it). I Adblock everywhere I possibly can to not see the ads but I genuinely believe I’m immune to advertising.

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    • chocrates@piefed.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I got a curved, split, tented ortholinear monstrosity with a built in trackball and I'm finally done. I get that it's stupid and a waste of money but my hands feel so good typing all day on it

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    • biotin7@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Then they ain’t nerds, sorry.

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    • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’re not nerds. They’re posers.

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    • mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I saw people recommending keychrons, went and bought one thinking I made a smart choice. didn’t even google what kind of issues they have… I’ll remember next time I’m about to throw money at some random crap that a few people recommend.

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  • very_well_lost@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Right? I’ve seen the walls of Funko Pops… nerds definitely are not immune to marketing.

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    • Peffse@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      do people actually buy those? I honestly thought they were some kind of money laundering thing. I’ve never once saw one sell.

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    • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They aren’t fucking nerds then. Nerds don’t buy Funko Pops.

      I can name 3 or 4 people who own walls of Funko pops and I can tell you they wouldn’t know an IDE from MS Word. None of them went to college either.

      They’re posers.

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  • gdog05@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is that marketing or is it just finding stuff they want to own?

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    • JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s marketing making them think they want to own that stuff.

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    • cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How do you think you “found” it? A whole supply chain of people, from branding to packaging to advertising, made it so that you can “find” things on websites that are themselves outright advertisements or at least funded by them.

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    • grte@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s marketing.

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    • rafoix@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Marketing. It is very effective.

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    • Arcka@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Someone makes a good product and then sells it in a store. Even if they do nothing else and buy no ads, a marketing wank somewhere would apparently want to take credit for the maker’s work.

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  • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Posers. All of them.

    Nerds enjoy a hobby, like tabletop games.

    Posers buy Funkos and toys that they never open.

    Nerds have fun. Posers try to look like they do.

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  • turkalino@lemmy.yachts ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah but I don’t think that’s marketing, if you’re going to a con for something, you’re likely very passionate about it and passionate people love to scoop up everything they can that relates to their beloved hobby or franchise.

    Also, nerds tend to have a good amount of disposable income on that stuff

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    • jawa21@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The cons themselves are marketing. Heavy marketing. If you can't see that, I don't know what to say. Vendors (and even artists for crying out loud) are willing to pay top dollar for booths to sell stuff. On the surface, they are their namesake - conventions. Dig any deeper, and they are giant pop-up malls.

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  • Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I would call my brother a geek, a collector of shit, expensive cards, moulded plastics, I love him for it but I see it as vapid. Whereas I am a nerd, I research and act with caution when it comes to spending, I own a mechanical watch which I can repair myself, I buy leather shoes with soles that can be replaced at a cobblers, run Linux on my desktop, custom ROM on my phone.

    Geeks are nerds who enjoy gimmicky things, nerds are geeks seeking purpose.

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  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nerds in arrested development over a franchize is not the same as seeing any ad and then that makes them want to buy a product.

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• 5too@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This… strikes me more as self-aggrandizing than informative.

  Yes, many technical folks are put off by certain marketing tricks. Good marketers just use different techniques when targeting people in this market, when they bother to at all.

  We’re not immune to manipulation; and thinking that we are makes us more susceptible to it.

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  • XeroxCool@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Agreed, it’s tooting his own cohort’s horn without acknowledging he is, inf act, susceptible to marketing. The actual topic at hand is marketing for software tools to software devs. Of course hand-waving marketing doesn’t work, it’s a technical field with technical products. The marketing he’s blasting is emotion-based marketing. Guess what, there’s plenty of other emotional decisions that will be affected by marketing in his life. Vacation destinations, artistic exhibitions, restaraunts, games, whatever. This article screams like it’s from someone who loudly proclaims marketing is dumb because they weren’t swayed to by women’s deodorant because of a YouTube ad.

    You are not immune to marketing.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But you need to remember that those targeted practices are very few in comparison to the volume of neuro-regular/non-technical folks.
    So we arent peone to the same bullshit in regards to volume.

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    • 5too@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Maybe - but the marketing that won’t affect you isn’t what you need to worry about. It’s the parts that do still work on you need to be careful of - and if you assume nothing will ever work on you, you won’t even notice when something does take. Whether that’s buying a trinket that doesn’t actually make you happy, or joining a group that turns out to be a cult.

      Always better to assume you can be manipulated, and check in with yourself periodically.

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• chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You are not immune to propaganda

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  • zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nearly everyone thinks that they are immune, but we’re not, we just recognize some that probably wasn’t targeted at us. As far as I am concerned, the only way to not be influenced by propaganda would be to completely avoid it and be some sort of hermit.

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    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Exactly. Blocking out ads wherever possible is the only way to not be influenced by advertising. At least it helps to know that one isn't immune to it. That helps to counteract the effects somewhat, but don't count on it if you aren't actively keeping your defenses up.

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    • sthetic@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I bet there are hermit influencers who post videos where they hold the latest chamberpot up to the camera and extol its virtues. Then they post a shelfie that shows their latest book haul about transcendental meditation and bushcrafting.

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  • logicbomb@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, the thing about propaganda is that it works, and if it doesn’t work, then the propagandists will come up with something else that does work. The thing is that they’re constantly thinking about how to exploit you, while you’re thinking about other stuff.

    So for example, I hate feeling like I receive a hard sell. So, if I am at a store and somebody tries to sell me something, I will not buy it, and in fact, I’ll probably assume the product is so shoddy that it can’t be sold without pressure. Same goes for popup ads online.

    But if a marketer knows this about me, then they can definitely manipulate me. They just have to do it in a way that I don’t realize is marketing. And there are all sorts of campaigns like that.

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  • melfie@lemy.lol ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    True, and having the hubris to think otherwise makes you even less immune.

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  • littlewonder@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Exactly…

    The reason i run ad blocking at every level isnt to show that i’m too smart for marketing…

    It’s because ads work on me… my brain rejects certain ads for sure, and it says “psssshhh, how can people be dumb enough to buy that shit???”… but that doesnt mean i’m too smart for advertising and that it doesnt affect my brain in subtle other ways.

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  • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Which is why developers don’t want to talk to a salesperson and would rather just try the tool.

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    • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, that is the generalization that the article pushed. It’s not true, because developers are not homogeneous. The point of my statement is “if you are a developer, ignore this because it is not true. You don’t have some sort of power that makes you immune to marketing. You’re just as susceptible as the rest of us, just in a different way. Ya know, like everyone else is”

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  • SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe some are. You may have fallen for a propaganda here.

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    • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, they aren’t. Any one who thinks they are is more susceptible.

      Humans are social creatures, propaganda is a social contagion.

      The only people who could be would be those with no ties to anyone. Kind of a nonstarter for the whole “cooperative survival strategy” that humans for going on.

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• PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nerds are some of the biggest consumers of stupid pointless bullshit on the planet.

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  • ReallyAngryNerd@europe.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes, but only if it is not marketed to us.

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    • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A lot of shit is marketed through forums like this; you just don’t notice it.

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  • death_to_carrots@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Only if it glows blue.

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  • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In the 00s more than now, I think.

    There was that time when combined nerd excitement energy led to Google and Facebook taking over the world.

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• Rooty@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• laranis@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Here’s the thing… I want to be sold something. Not anything, but certain somethings. There was a brief time when Google AdSense was new that I was excited for the experience. (I now know how fucking stupid I was, but hey, I was young).

  The idea that a new product aligned to my interests and designed with me in mind would be advertised to me instead of feminine hygiene products or mesothelioma lawsuit ads seemed awesome.

  I do not want your bullshit hype machine alpha male inside club cool kid image peddled as the reason I should hand you my money. You’ve got the wrong guy. Tell me what it does with a side of what I can do with it. And the “what I can do with it” shouldn’t be “get laid”.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The idea that a new product aligned to my interests and designed with me in mind would be advertised to me instead of feminine hygiene products or mesothelioma lawsuit ads seemed awesome.

    Broadly speaking, the problem with modern American advertisement isn’t the content so much as the volume. Tried to watch a football game a few weeks back and I barely saw any football being played. Every millisecond of screen time and every pixel of screen space that wasn’t a moving football was consumed by ads.

    I was at an actual game a year ago, foolishly thinking being there was going to be a better experience. NOPE. Ads on the announcements. Ads at the endzones. Ads painted into the turf. I got solicited to buy shit as I was loading up my ticket and right inside the gate once I was scanned in. The whole interior of the stadium was a mall full of overpriced crap. Seats were branded. The food was branded. I was buying something and I was drowning in people trying to sell me more shit.

    I don’t care if every single item on offer is something I might actually want. I can’t fucking breath for it all.

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    • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Volume is the biggest problem, sure. Content is a close second. I was flabbergasted last time I was in the USA. Ads have barely any relation to what they’re selling.

      A poster for shoes features a full-body shot of a half-naked model, the shoes barely visible with the whole poster within your visual field at once.

      Ads for beer, travel agencies, clothes and antidepressant medicine, which should be illegal to advertise, by the way, are indistinguishable from each other: just a few happy 20-somethings in a nonspecific late afternoon outdoors setting.

      A bunch of ads I saw I don’t even know what they were for, they just had hot young people and logos for companies I never heard of.

      Several ads purporting to sell an “experience” when they were for the most mundane, use-it-on-autopilot products you’ve ever heard of. The products were so forgettable I can’t remember an actual example, but picture an ad selling you on the wonderful experience of using the new ad-supported monthly coat hanger subscription service and you’ve got it.

      Ads for lawyers (something else that should be illegal) were on point though: “hey, do you want money you know you don’t deserve at all but can be argued in bad faith that you do? Hit me up”.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh, yes. Watched a UK cooking show lately, the experience was alien; every 10 minutes a 5 minute ad window. Local channels are regulated to no more than 5 minutes per half hour.

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  • SGforce@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think a slightly more insidious side to targeting ads is that even when they have the “right” product for you, it’s the shitier and overpriced one. The one that spent money on marketing instead of quality.

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  • Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    AdSense could have been amazing if it was used to find good ads for the user instead of finding good users for the ad.

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  • willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Bring back catalogs.

    Who here remembers Computer Shopper?

    When I want something, I’ll come to you. Don’t come to me.

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    • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Catalogs are still a thing. I pick up the mail and not only get catalogs from stores I purchased things at ten years ago, but the amount I see in the ‘instant recycle bin’ is insane.

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    • i_love_FFT@jlai.lu ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think McMaster still has a catalogue…

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    • laranis@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A-fucking-men

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• Krudler@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As a former developer with probably 40 games under my belt, I’m gonna say this is a highly specious article designed to stroke egos. Yes there are very valid points being made that I can personally identify with, but they come from a one-dimensional perspective that also manages to leave out data, and conspicuously lacks basic understanding of the efficacy of ‘general’ sales/marketing, instead filling in with presumptions of comparative efficacy.

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  • morriscox@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Have you ever heard of HeroEngine? It’s no longer around but the developer that was contracted to make it is working on Apex Engine at www.apexengine.com

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A long time I haven’t heard that name. It was over hyped at the time IIRC.

      If you’re not a studio (Hero engine wasn’t free or cheap), go with Godot.

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• pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Clearly the author have never seen the audiophile community. $100 cable, anyone?

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  • AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ooooh! Gold plated cables! That’ll reduce the resistance by several milliohms!

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    • foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      once weere told that increases the quality of digitally encoded audio signals!!

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  • devedeset@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are nerds all audiophiles tho? 320kbps is usually fine. $300 speakers are usually fine. Nerds do the research, audiophiles are seeking unobtanium.

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  • ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They said nerds not “Placebo Obsessesed Rich Nerds”

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  • KingOfSuede@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    $100? On the very low end of audiophile cables. No joke, I have seen cables with the prices climbing towards five figures. There’s a set right now on US audio mart going for over $6000USD. For a set of RCA cables.

    Sometimes I think I’m in the wrong business.

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• kepix@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  we are not immune, we are just able to install a fuckin adblocker. noone is immune to propaganda.

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  • Portosian@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, I think that line is getting used as a thought terminating cliche. While the statement is certainly true, not being immune is completely ignoring the idea that people can vary in how susceptible they are.

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  • howrar@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    To be fair, the article body doesn’t actually say that anyone is immune. In fact, it lists out how to properly market to this segment.

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• wulrus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• philosloppy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  the rampant consumerism in nerd spaces seems to disprove the Lemmy title in the large, even if this specific example indicates the opposite wrt marketing by software firms aimed at developers.

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  • Krudler@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The irony is that this very post is literally every pillar of marketing in one place.

    Identify a specific demographic that may be under-served or for whom you have an attractive product, deliver said product to that demographic.

    Here we are in a Technology community gobbling down the product (site/article) and talking all about it. Many will “share” it to various friends. Some will bookmark it, for others viewing the logo impression builds the overall consumer trust score of the brand.

    We’re all too smart for it though because I said so.

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• Paradox@lemdro.id ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Bullshit

  Funko pops. Lego. Star wars. Marvel

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• Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If we have to talk to someone to find out the price, the product may as well not exist.

  I have never felt so seen!

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• Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah pretty much, i mean you cant just assume because someone is a developer that they have a brain but this sums up my relationship with all the sales people ive met in my career

  Me: Hey i need information about your product

  Sales: Hey id love to swing by and show you our product line. How many can we put you foen for? Can we schedule a call?

  Me: finds a different vendor

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• stevedice@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And here I was hoping this was some psychological study and not a dude ranting for paragraphs how he’s the most specialest one.

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• ratten@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s why just about every technology forum ends up being a consumer board.

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• eager_eagle@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ll just add that a white paper with technical information about how the product works is actually valuable. A white paper that reads like an ad in the form of an infographic is a waste of time.

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• Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The way I’ve always looked at it, a good product/service can typically stand on it’s reputation. If a company needs to spend millions on advertising to move their stuff, they’re probably not all that good or are overpriced. Someone is paying for all that advertising and it always ends up being the consumer.

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They tend not to work on neurodivergent people and there is a huge overlap between NDs and “nerds.”

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• suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Marketing absolutely works on Nerds, what a ridiculous statement. Just because certain types marketing will push us away doesn’t mean all marketing is pointless. Be honest, let me know what your product does, give me a proper datasheet and a price, and I’ll explore it. Try to shove some hyperbolic BS down by throat while hiding the things I actually care about and I’ll never buy from your company.

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• SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why do people keep using the word marketing to just mean ads and promotion? Marketing is more than just that, even a software developer is engaging in marketing when they for example beta test their software on their target audience.

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• noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  yes it does

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• phx@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Good marketing absolutely works on nerds. We will literally share cool ads (funny world best) with each other in the same way with memes, which is part of “viral marketing”.

  At the same time though, those lame ads using low-grade, overused memes (usually the comic ones) trying to be edgy pretty much make me want to pass on a product. Crappy AI-gen ads are even worse.

  But next time I go to Japan, I absolutely still want to try a Sakaeru gummy because THAT marketing campaign was just brilliant and entertaining

  ( youtu.be/LQsMp4Oo6xM )

  I’ve also seen a few cool tech things in ads that I’ve looked into. Generally nothing I’ll grab right away but they often end up in a list of things that I potentially buy later when I’ve some free cash or the need. Aliexpress is pretty good with this as it tends to suggest neat tech things that are a cheap to add and fill that “free shipping” gap.

  What DOESN’T work is cheap/lame broadside marketing with little to no product details. I don’t want a video as an ad - especially not one from an influencer who has no clue but looks pretty - but I’m happy to look up an actual product demo that includes key features/points.

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• DaGeek247@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Good insights, and not just software developers, really. We don’t like ads, sensationalism, or anything reeking of bullshit

  Its a big list of major assumptions by someone who never bothered to verify if they're even true. He's mad he had to work with a heavily marketed product that his boss liked, and wrote this about it. Check out this quote from the article;

  And the really fun part is that “astroturfing” a thread about your product on Hacker News or Reddit is just about impossible. If you go to the places where developers hang out and try to promote your product, you will be shot down faster than Mark Zuckerberg at a privacy conference.

  Dude. Reddit is practically more bot than person at this point. The tech subs in particular are nearly half bot alone. https://www.clrn.org/how-much-of-reddit-is-bots/

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• BC_viper@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Marketing 100% works on anyone. If you dont think it does its because the marketing has done such a good job on you you don’t even know it.

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• funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  developers want to read documentation

  they won’t look at any white papers

  ?!?!?!?!!

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• MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I wouldn’t say immune, I just have a low tolerance for unfounded claims, and little interest in most of the impulse purchase junk that most ads are trying to sell.

  Give me an ad for good tech at good prices (and actually list the fkin price), and I’m interested.

  Like OP said, if there’s no price, just a “call to get a quote” or some other similar nonsense in place of a price, then I’m either not buying that product, or I’m buying it somewhere else that they list the damn cost.

  “Call to inquire” can be adequately translated to: we want to sell this shit to your entire company, call us so we can convince you to do just that" meanwhile you want to buy one so you can check it out to see if it’s even useful because marketing claims are almost always bullshit.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And every public service app should have a “developer” section where you can report bugs. I’ll do it even for free you fucking morons!

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• xylogx@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Plot twist: this is an ad campaign

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• jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Some development teams have their tools chosen for them from on high.

  Oh, I feel that in my bones. Executives who think the vendors that butter them up know better than the employees what the employees want.

  Commercial sales seem to be 95% about people who don’t really know their product selling to executives that don’t know their actual needs but want to feel important by making the calls anyway. One of the rare businesses that try to be concrete and appeal to the actual users? Sorry, you went over the heads of the executives and they are not interested.

  The pattern seems to be:

  • Sales people get the client leadership to shell out cash for a selection of stuff they think sounds really good for business stuff, all the buzzwords
  • The staff builds a ‘shadow IT’ out of actually useful crap, hopefully at least sticking to properly open source stuff that won’t land the business in legal troubles, but very risky the employees get suckered by ‘non-commercial’ usage license and screw over the company in the process.

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