I can barely afford rent!
Well… the good news is you can stretch your income a bit further with spaghettification!
well?
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Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 28 minutes ago
procrastitron@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I took a physics course at a community college over 20 years ago and one of the things that stood out to me was the professor telling us not to overthink or assign too much romanticism to the idea of black holes.
His message was basically “it just means the escape velocity is greater than the speed of light… if you plug the size and mass of the universe into the escape velocity formula, the result you get back is greater than the speed of light, so our entire universe is a black hole.”
If this was being discussed at a community college decades ago then I think the new discoveries aren’t as revelatory as they would at first appear to the general public.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 56 minutes ago
another thing I learned at some point: Just because a physics formula returns a result, doesn’t mean that it’s reality
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 3 hours ago
Nah really it was probably some small thing the media got a hold of and just ran with. I think you’re spot on
Klear@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
And a relevant smbc for good measure.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
On the contrary; while I have heard the explanation that the commenter you replied to has said I have also heard a slightly different theory:
Our universe is the 3 dimensional event horizon of a 4th dimensional black hole. By extension we may find that black holes in our universe have similar funky 2 dimensional areas at their even horizons.
I am sure clickbait articles are part of it but there also seems to be several actual theories surrounding the idea of the nature of our universe relating to black holes.
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Interestingly, galaxies at the edge of our ability to perceive are in fact receding away from us at velocities greater than the speed of light.
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 59 minutes ago
Maybe it’s because they are outside the black hole and aren’t time dilated.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 hours ago
Theory is one thing.
Observation is the next step.procrastitron@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Absolutely. I don’t want to minimize the importance of the new discoveries in any way; I’m just saying this isn’t the great surprise the original post seems to think it is.
fartographer@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Okay, so now you can barely afford your rent inside a black hole. Enjoy the enhanced granularity of your desperation!
dohpaz42@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
That would explain why it feels like my bank account is being sucked dry.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Fortunately the universe can get Cosmic Overdraft Protection, for only a small annual fee and 11 squillion bazillion stomptillion dollars per occurrence.
Asafum@feddit.nl 3 hours ago
And since you’re in a black hole with your unaffordable rent, you can’t escape it!!!
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
NOT “discovered inside black hole”, just gained further theoretical evidence for the Earth being in a less dense area of the universe. There has been actual evidence of such for some time (at least a decade), but there is uncertainty at such large scales so it cannot be called conclusive based only on a couple types of observation that may have erroneous procedures.
peregrin5@piefed.social 4 hours ago
paying rent sometimes feels like throwing money into a black hole
dohpaz42@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The same for mortgages too really. All these people out there toting new construction and how it’s good for property values seem to forget that higher property values means 1) higher property taxes, and 2) higher priority values, for when you sell your home and need to buy a new one.
Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
Not to mention mortgage rates are so damn high that your mortgage payment is basically like paying rent to the bank because you’re barely touching the principal on the loan
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Therefore your landlord’s bank account is a black hole. Therefore black holes are inside banks. Therefore the universe is inside a bank.
peregrin5@piefed.social 2 hours ago
cosmic horror
underisk@hexbear.net 3 hours ago
Only sometimes?
scytale@piefed.zip 4 hours ago
Ok I've been meaning to ask this in the Space community or the NoStupidQuestions community. I've seen this news circling around the past 2 weeks and have been watching videos of people talking about it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the gist is that astronomers discovered with the JWST that some galaxies at the end of the observable universe appear to be younger than they are supposed to be. So it kinda blows a hole in the big bang expansion where objects farther away should be older. And that somehow ties in with the theory that our universe is inside a blackhole.
It's fascinating but I don't know what to do with that information other than just be fascinated. I think it was Neil deGrasse Tyson who said "what does it matter to us? nothing", because us being in a blackhole doesn't change anything in the scale of our universe.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
From what I’ve seen, it’s not that they’re “young” galaxies, but that they shouldn’t have had enough time to develop if the universe were truly so crazily homogenous from the big bang. It doesn’t necessarily disprove the big bang, just means the universe might not be as “smooth” as previous assumptions.
jared@mander.xyz 3 hours ago
I’ve always liked this theory, imagining the cosmos is just a series/web/tree of black holes draining into the next. Everything gets recycled eventually.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 minute ago
It doesn’t answer where it all came from. Whatever theory or religion you choose, there’s no answer to this question apart from it suddenly appeared which implies something can be created out of nothing and that creates a whole lot of new questions and possibilities.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
It meshes well with my occasional feeling that reality is just circling the drain.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 hours ago
Another big part of it is that if the big bang happened evenly then galaxies and other objects should be spinning in random directions. So far that's not what's been observed. There seems to be a preferred direction everything spins in.
radioactivefunguy@piefed.ca 41 minutes ago
The direction the black hole "toilet" flushes as it sucks stuff in and smashes it against each other?
Maybe there's a parallel universe called Astraliastra where the black hole flushes the other direction!
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Maybe the far away galaxies are just the close galaxies seen from the other side?
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Nah, that would require spacetime to curve a lot more than it does. It’d also have to curve in the other direction (local spacetime is hyperbolic, “local” as in basically all of the observable universe). Calculations show the universe must be several times larger than the observable universe in order to match even Hubble observations, let alone JWST observations.
RuthBaderGonesburg@hexbear.net 2 hours ago
The Hubble radius of the universe is also equal to its Schwarzschild radius, which is a requirement for any “we’re inside a black hole” theory.
fluxion@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Tax breaks for the rich is the only solution
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
Wouldn’t it even be more helpful to just relieve the ultrarich from taxes? So they could better pay their rent too. I’d throw in one or two moneyz to help.
logicbomb@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I suddenly feel something trickling down from above. Is this what they were talking about all these years? Is this a good thing? It smells bad, like really bad. Like somebody is cooking meth while they have a near fatal case of diarrhea. What am I supposed to do?
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
Get hooked on meth, it’ll wildly change your priorities.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Yes, we ignore it. Given the size of the universe, if being inside a black implies any conseqences that will ever hurt us, it will be a process that takes billions of years to develop, giving the human race billions of years to either become extinct or solve the problem.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
There is no problem introduced by noticing that there exists a horizon to the universe. It’s also in no way what so ever a new “discovery”, but a basic concept based on how horizons work in the first place.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 2 hours ago
Considering NASA could be canceled by an ass hole, I think we have other problems.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Both are fair and valid.
Peaceful science & good housing should go hand in hand.
sirico@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
You better start believing in compression systems you’re in one
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Don’t get me wrong, understanding the nature of the universe is valuable and noteworthy. But how would that information meaningfully impact anyone’s life or change their behavior or worldview beyond a general awe at the unfathomable mysteries we already have towards space as we’ve understood it for centuries? Am I meant to stare up at the sky from 8:15 to 8:30 every other night with my mouth agap while I try to wrap my mind around the spacetime bubble we all exist on the surface of? Or can I just eat dinner?
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
The reason research like this exists is because we don’t know what we don’t know. Results like these are meant to stoke curiousity so that more research can be done.
So on and so forth until one day you have horseshoe crabs saving millions of lives. But they didn’t know that would be the case when they started researching them crabs, function comes after exploration.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
For sure, not undervaluing scientific research and exploration by any means. But the post seemed to be a call to action or an expectation of a greater reaction to potential findings from the general public. But A) it’s honestly the first I’ve heard about any such news. And B) I don’t think the vast majority of people would have any idea how to even process that information, let alone get excited about it or understand it’s full implications, or to have any sort of reaction to it at all.
Blemish5236@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I mean on top of answering fundamental questions about the nature if reality, proving that the universe is a black hole would necessarily invalidate almost every religion. That fact alone would upend society, and probably in a bad way.
Also, if the universe is a black hole that means the universe is capable of reproduction. If the universe reproduces, there is likely no limit to the number of times it can do so. If an infinite number of universes spawn an infinite number of children, it basically establishes reincarnation as a fact of life.
And that’s ignoring all the philosophical implications such a discovery would immediately raise.
Maybe it wouldn’t change anything. Maybe it would change everything.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 2 hours ago
Why would the universe being a black hole invalidate religion, any more than, for example, the universe being really big already does? Don’t most religions focus more on some entity or entities they think made or govern the universe more than what physical processes are “used” to do that, or what the ultimate shape of the universe is? Even when a contradiction is found, it’s easy enough for a religion to just say “well, that was metaphorical”, or “just the limited understanding given by (insert deity here) to our ancestors” or something along those lines to make it fit.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
No way, at all, what so ever.
Most religious people will readily admit it’s based on faith, not fact. Furthermore, it’d likely make them believe it more. God has always been described as beyond the universe, bigger than, all encompassing, etc. If the holographic principle proves true, it’d actually provide a mathematical path for such statements to be literally true.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
Am I meant to stare up at the sky from 8:15 to 8:30 every other night with my mouth agap while I try to wrap my mind around the spacetime bubble we all exist on the surface of?
At scale that sounds better for society than going to church. We need a little more memento mori (memento minima?) in modern life.
shneancy@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
hasn’t this been a theory for a while now? The event horizon of a black hole keeps information minus one dimension. and the theory goes that our entire universe is just at the edge or a black hole in a 4D universe
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Yes. It’s basically how the holographic principle got started, and that was decades ago.
crazycraw@crazypeople.online 4 hours ago
we could acknowledge it as a possibility AND work to better our um… local frame of reference.
Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 3 hours ago
I thought black holes aren’t actually holes at all, they’re literally gigantic physical objects because they’re dead suns with shockingly high gravity that prevents light from escaping; how could our universe be inside something like that?
fox@hexbear.net 1 hour ago
Firstly, a black hole isn’t an object, really. If you manage to compress enough mass in one place, gravity becomes the dominant force and the mass collapses into itself, eternally compressing and densifying. This is the singularity at the center of a black hole, and we use the term singularity because it’s describing a single unmeasurable point in spacetime.
Next point: high gravity curves space. Light only travels in straight lines if it can get away with it, so when light bends in space it’s because the space being traversed is deformed by gravity. Like, the Earth is, as far as it cares, going in a straight line that happens to curve back to where it started. If gravity is strong enough in a region, all possible “paths” through space become bent inwards to higher gravity. Like, even a perfectly straight line away from the black hole will be forced inwards again. That’s the event horizon, the region in space around the singularity where nothing can escape anymore: all paths go deeper into the black hole.
Third point: weird shit happens inside the event horizon. We’re well into Math now because we can’t actually see inside these things, but we can use math to theorize and describe the inside of a black hole. Basically, time and space switch places inside the event horizon. Because every possible direction you can move in only takes you deeper, that means the future is the singularity, and as you move forward in time you move closer in space to it.
So in net: they’re not really holes and they’re not really physical objects: they’re regions where every path in space is forced into going towards the singularity, which is itself infinitely small and infinitely dense.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 4 hours ago
I mean, I think it's fair to ignore it 99% of the time. Frankly, as much as I love space science and science in general, we all should have a responsibility to solve real problems here and now. That's been my issue with a lot of science, currently - we need problem solvers rather than idle explorers.
darthelmet@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The problem is that most of our problems aren’t really science problems. Or at least the thing holding them up isn’t the lack of practical applied scientists. They’re political ones. We’ve known what we needed to do about climate change for decades but their are capitalists who stand to lose from doing anything about it, so we don’t. We have plenty of housing, it’s just being hoarded by people who do nothing with it but extract free money from people who are desperate to have a place to live. We have amazing medicine, but corporations are able to abuse IP laws to price gouge people who need it to live.
A scientist or engineer could come up with some amazing sci-fi tech that has the potential to save us and capitalists would find some way to make it bleed us dry.
Septian@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
That’s not what science is, though. Science is about pushing the boundaries of human knowledge. Science isn’t about having a problem and trying to find a solution – that’s engineering, which is informed by science.
ik5pvx@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Whenever you get this kind of thoughts, take a moment to also think about the maths behind your CT and MRI scans, which originated from early radio astronomy. Alas, I don’t have a source for this other than it was said by an astronomy professor during a lesson for an exam I never even attempted.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 2 hours ago
You're not wrong though, I've heard the same anecdote. But it sort of sticks by my point. It was solving problems. Radio astronomy is important, and so is someone looking at the math and the machine and saying "hey, we can do stuff that X-Rays can't with this!"
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 8 minutes ago
Anyone got a link to either nasa or a good article explaining it?