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- Comment on 95% of Companies See ‘Zero Return’ on $30 Billion Generative AI Spend, MIT Report Finds 1 hour ago:
providing me with quick, straightforward recipes based on what I have at hand,
Ah yes, the wonderful recipes AI generates. Like Pizza made with glue!
businessinsider.com/google-ai-glue-pizza-i-tried-…
You know what else generates quick, straightfoward recipes based on what I have on hand?
My brain. I open fridge, and freezer, and then decide what to make. Usually takes less than a minute to figure something out.
- Comment on 95% of Companies See ‘Zero Return’ on $30 Billion Generative AI Spend, MIT Report Finds 2 hours ago:
Documentation is easier. Tools for PDF, Markdown have increased in efficacy. Coding alone has lowered the barrier to bringing building blocks and some understanding to the masses.
I have seen none of these, in practice.
The documentation generated is no better than what a level 1 support rep creates, and needs to be heavily fixed before being relied on.
Pandoc still produces PDFs, Markdown, etc just as quickly as it always has.
The code produced still has the same issues as documentation: it’s shite, and not easily bug fixed due to a lack of understanding by anyone with what its actually doing. And, if you need someone who understand the code already to bugfix it, guess what? You didn’t save anyone anything.
And, all of this, only using terrawatts more electricity than before, with equivalent or worse outcomes.
- Comment on 95% of Companies See ‘Zero Return’ on $30 Billion Generative AI Spend, MIT Report Finds 2 hours ago:
As expected. Wait until they have to pay copyright royalties for the content they stole to train.
- Comment on Perplexity AI is complaining their plagiarism bot machine cannot bypass Cloudflare's firewall 2 hours ago:
LLM might be worse than those but Perplexity is certainly a lesser player in the field.
Its a good thing I don’t just block Perplexity, but all of the LLMs.
And I wont comment on the rest of this, but lets consider another form of property: Real estate.
You own a plot of land. Should others be able to use it, however they feel, whenever they feel like? Or should you have a say in how it gets used?
If you feel like you should have exclusive say in how real estate you own is used and when and by whom, why is intellectual property any different? There must be value in using it, so what’s wrong with revenues generated by that use being shared (At least) with the creator?
Last I checked, I’m not seeing rev shares from any of these LLMs that have certainly used my code and other content to train?
- Comment on Perplexity AI is complaining their plagiarism bot machine cannot bypass Cloudflare's firewall 4 hours ago:
Information should not be gated or owned in a way that would make it illegal for anyone to access it under proper conditions.
Then you don’t believe content creators should have any control over their own works?
The “proper conditions” are deemed by the content creator, not the consumers.
Doing a GET request doesn’t do that.
Not at all. It consumes at most, a watt.
What kind of problems that would be?
Increasing my hosting bill, to accommodate the senseless traffic being sent my way?
Outages for my site, making my content unavailable for legitimate users?
You have to agree that at one point “be used by LLM” would not be different from “be used by a user”.
Not at all. LLMs are not users.
It’s self-hosted and free.
If you want, or they charge for the hosted version. If they want to use a paid for version, then they can divert some of that revenue to me, the creator, because without creators, they would have no product.
How does that prohibit usage and processing of your info? That sounds like “I won’t be providing any comments on Lemmy website, if you want my opinion you can mail me at a@b.com”
That’s a apples and oranges comparison, and you know it.
That will never block all of them. Your info will be used without your consent and you will not feel troubled from it. So you might not feel troubled if more things do the same.
Perplexity seems to be troubled by it.
What if I use my local hosted LLM? Anyway, the point is, selling text can’t work well, and you’re going to spend much more resources on collecting and summarizing data about how your text was used and how others benefited from it, in order to get compensation, than it worths.
If selling text can’t work well, then why do LLM products insist on using my text, to sell it?
Also, it might be the case that some information is actually worthless when compared to a service provided by things like LLM, even though they use that worthless information in the process.
LLMs are a net negative, as far as costs go. They consume far more in resources than they provide in benefit. If my information was worthless without an LLM, it’s worthless with an LLM, therefore, LLMs don’t need to access it. Periodt.
The bottom line? Content creators get the first say in how their content is used, and consumed. You are not entitled to their labor, for free, and without condition.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
And I’ll downvote ya again, if I could :)
FWIW, I don’t owe you a reply :)
- Comment on Reddit is using AI to determine users beliefs, values, stances and more based on their activity (posts and comments) summarizing it to Subreddit Mods. 1 day ago:
On Reddit, I was doing that, but every few months. At most, a year, before the username got canned.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
We are talking about Starlink here, correct? Owned by Elon?
That said, all satellite networks are subject to dying if their ground-stations are taken offline, so if “all the fiber for a country goes down”, so does Starlink.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
It works, only if Elon wants it to work. Did you forget he shut it off during the war, several times?
- Comment on Perplexity AI is complaining their plagiarism bot machine cannot bypass Cloudflare's firewall 1 day ago:
That all sounds very vague to me, and I don’t expect it to be captured properly by law any time soon.
It already has been captured, properly in law, in most places. We can use the US as an example: Both intellectual property and real property have laws already that cover these very items.
What does it mean for you and how is it different from being accessed by a user?
Well, does a user burn up gigawatts of power, to access my site every time? That’s a huge different.
Imagine you host a weather forecast. If that information is public, what kind of compensation do you expect from anyone or anything who accesses that data?
Depends on the terms of service I set for that service.
Is it okay for a person to access your site?
Sure!
Is it okay for a script written by that person to fetch data every day automatically?
Sure! As long as it doesn’t cause problems for me, the creator and hoster of said content.
Would it be okay for a user to dump a page of your site with a headless browser?
See above. Both power usage and causing problems for me.
Would it be okay to let an LLM take a look at it to extract info required by a user?
No. I said, I do not want my content and services to be used by and for LLMs.
Have you heard about changedetection.io project?
I have now. And should a user want to use that service, that service, which charges 8.99/month for it needs to pay me a portion of that, or risk having their service blocked.
There no need to use it, as I already provide RSS feeds for my content. Use the RSS feed, if you want updates.
If some of these sound unfair to you, you might want to put a DRM on your data or something.
Or, I can just block them, via a service like Cloud Flare. Which I do.
Would you expect a compensation from me after reading your comment?
None. Unless you’re wanting to access if via an LLM. Then I want compensation for the profit driven access to my content.
- Comment on Taylor Swift’s new album comes in cassette. Who is buying those? 1 day ago:
I know, I was being cheeky :) Cheers!
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
They were not more stable. Any occlusion, including thick clouds, would degrade the signal to being unusable
You have the same issue with Starlink…
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
Here you are acknowledge that ground-based systems are very vulnerable to attack.
Which includes the ground stations that Starlink uses.
- Comment on Perplexity AI is complaining their plagiarism bot machine cannot bypass Cloudflare's firewall 1 day ago:
Well, until we abolish capitalism, that’s the state of things. Unless you feel like Nazis MUST be freely given access to everything too?
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
Wonder how your starlink will work once it reaches it’s peak market saturation?
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
Are satellite links easier to take down than a fiber link? No
Depends on what we’re talking about.
Is it easy, in any conceivable scenario, to take out an entire nation’s web of cabled infra? No, not at all, and would require the same state actor level threat it would to take out a satellite train. It’s just cheaper to do it in space, and less prone to failing than it would be to try a land-based infra attack.
Do Starlink satellite need to be replaced at extreme cost? Yes, but so does terresrrial network infrastructure.
We do not need to replace all the fiber, and all the coax, and all the transceivers every 5 years, at a cost of 10s of billions. At most? You need to replace stuff in a DC/DSLAM/termination point and the client side. All the fiber and coax in between is still usable for 20 years, even. And the endpoints don’t need to be upgraded physically, most times, it’s a software update pushed.
Ever wonder why Ukraine was using Starlink for network connections in the first place?
Because Russia bombed their power plants, all the cabling, and it was a literal war zone. And relied on infrastructure that was terrestrial outside of the war zone. And to replace all the infra (Outside of the power plants) will still be cheaper than a couple of trains being launched for StarLink.
Your points, that satellites based networks are more vulnerable and prohibitively expensive is simply not compatible with reality.
You do know StarLink can be taken down by targeting their ground stations, right?
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
So if connecting to the electrical grid wasn’t realistic I’m willing to bet that a fiber connection also isn’t realistic.
If fiber isn’t possible due to electrical grids being non-existent… A power hungry sat transceiver will likely be a non-starter, too.
It’s hard to believe you think fiber can work for literally everything.
I don’t think it can. I also don’t think Starlink can work for literally everything, either. There are better, and faster, and cheaper solutions like Microwave backhauls and cellular data service for the last mile.
I hadn’t even mentioned the use case of vehicles yet, boats, planes, trains, trucks, campers, obviously you can’t run fiber to a vehicle.
Boats are the one outlier here, that cannot be reach via cell service, with a fraction of the cost of Starlink. And sure, boats can use it, and boats should pay the full cost of the package. No need for government money to fund them, they didn’t need it before, and don’t need it now. Boaters were quite satisfied paying their Iridium bills in the past.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
There are areas of the planet where there is no signal or fibre.
So, we should take the billions per train launch, and install microwave backhauls and cellular service to cover those dead zones.
- Comment on Perplexity AI is complaining their plagiarism bot machine cannot bypass Cloudflare's firewall 1 day ago:
Except, it’s not a live user hitting 10 sights all the same time, trying to crawl the entire site… Live users cannot do that.
That said, if my robots.txt forbids them from hitting my site, as a proxy, they obey that, right?
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
And, wait until Starlink hits saturation… Your speeds will be 1mb down, 300kb up, and latency hitting 100ms…
You’re only benefiting from early adoption at this time. It can only get worse the more they onboard.
Starlink is 120/mo.
How much for install?
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
An accurate comparison for the impact of blowing up the entire Starlink constellation would be to remove ALL the fiber optic cables in an entire nation, not just the undersea cables. That is a more accurate comparison.
Oh, so you mean a very viable attack today (Taking out swaths of constellations) is on par with destroying a sizeable segment of a web of fiber that is very interconnected, and very resilient to outages due to a single fiber?
I may not have an expert level of economic knowledge, but the fact that Starlink exists and it can provide better service than rural broadband programs or the extensive terrestrial mobile broadband networks (which still use satellites BTW) is a pretty good indicator that it is viable.
It’s viable because we are funding that, with gobs of money, instead of using those gobs of money to fund something that is “Buy once, cry once” instead of Starlinks “must be replaced in total, every 5 years, at billions per train”.
Frankly this entire statement is insulting, and you should retract it.
No, and frankly, you’re digging yourself into a deeper hole.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
Previous satellite Internet using satellites in geosynchronous orbit had 1500ms latency, for comparison.
Yes, and are far more stable, not hyped, and are already at pretty much peak congestion. Starlink will get progressively worse, the more people use it. Right now, it’s over provisioned.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
So, not 4x, but 2x.
BTW, did you know HughesNet is cheaper, and works just as well. Or, it will work just as well once Starlink reaches the saturation HughesNet faces.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 1 day ago:
And there is no other way to reach users in some places.
There is, if we decided to instead of giving Elon billions every few months, we used that money to expand the fiber networks.
Starlink can reach users that only a long range wireless solution can work for. There are some other long range wireless solutions, but this one does work.
There are myriad technology solutions that are both viable, and already being used. Capitalism means we don’t deploy them. Oligarchy means we instead choose to do things that are more expensive, but happen to benefit a friendly oligarch.
You don’t have to stretch the truth to say Starlink isn’t a good system for the vast majority of people, so why do it?
Except, it isn’t. Its just the one with the hype.
- Comment on Taylor Swift’s new album comes in cassette. Who is buying those? 2 days ago:
CDs were a massive improvement, and the pinnacle were DDD CDs, which were Digital recording, Digital mixing, and Digital mastering, meaning very little analog garbage was introduced in the process.
Very little analog garbage… Except for literally every instrument tracked in, including distortion pedals. :)
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 2 days ago:
Whoops, there you go again comparing the impact and resolution of a single cable to an entire national network.
That’s… um… how it works? It’s generally one, maybe two, cables connecting continents: dabrownstein.com/…/charting-interconnectedness-in…
I mean, some continents, like the US, have myriad cables connecting. And purposefully sabotaging these is almost as challenging as repairing them.
So, generally, “nations” are not connected via undersea cables, continents are.
So, yes, repairing one, maybe two, would be reconnecting an entire national network. Which is STILL cheaper than replacing a mass of Starlink sats… Which, btw, need replacing routinely anyways, because their orbits decay purposefully.
So, every 5 years, we need spend tens of billions to launch another set of trains, just to have them fall into the ocean after 5 years of service. Just to obtain a service that is cheaper, and doesn’t require nearly as much regular investment.
www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites.html
I get the feeling you don’t understand the economics, physics, and infrastructure of various connectivity systems. And, you also don’t understand that without connected ground stations, served by those “at risk fiber networks on the ground” (That you purport as very risky), Starlink doesn’t work, either.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 2 days ago:
You understand EMPs wouldn’t affect one sat, right? Or a capture net can hit an entire train?
If you want to compare accurately, look at the time it takes to replace the cable infrastructure for an entire nation vs the time it takes to relaunch all the star link satellites.
That can, and has been done in a couple of weeks. It happens somewhat regularly.
leadventgrp.com/…/submarine-cable-damage-and-repa…
10-20 days to launch a repair crew, and another week to affect the repair. At a few hundred million in costs.
A single rocket launch it minimally a year of planning. And BILLIONS in costs.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 2 days ago:
On fiber, while I don’t play that game, I’ve never seen a ping longer than 10-13msecs.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 2 days ago:
Netflix and Amazon Outpost makes it quite useful.
- Comment on SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink 2 days ago:
Living right near a massive CX that services the US-Canada border… most times.