Why do they have to be black? America is bizarrely obsessed with race, I’ve never seen anything like it both in person and on the internet.
YSK in the U.S., you can buy produce directly from black farmers and they will ship it to you. It can cost less than your supermarket and will piss off people in power.
Submitted 3 months ago by FlyingSquid@lemmy.world to youshouldknow@lemmy.world
https://blackfarmersindex.com/
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Woht24@lemmy.world 3 months ago
eyelevel@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Sure, it can seem on the surface like wanting to support people of a particular race is in itself a kind of racism, or at least a situation that emphasizes unfair distinctions.
Unfortunately, race does still matter in America, even if we personally disagree with it or want to ignore it. The health and economic research data make it very clear that people of color in America, especially black people, experience harder lives in almost every category. This is due to both recurring experiences of present-day prejudice and discrimination, as well the inter-generational impacts of wealth inequality and psychological trauma.
You might already know about this, but redlining is one example of the way that patterns of discrimination can creates a systemic effect, which, in turn, can impact the physical and financial effects on a family across time. These kinds of systemic effects can then make it harder for current generations of these families to recover and live safe lives today though, we personally might celebrate that the policy doesn’t exist anymore, and even though we personally might say that we don’t support people acting like that anymore.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
No one really has to do anything, but some people might choose to support groups of people or organizations who they think might have experienced similar kinds of hardships in their families, and might be glad to have a way to try to do something different with their money than give it to another multinational corporation every time.
Woht24@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah I’ve heard these arguments. I still hold my opinion. America needs to move away from the race obsession.
echodot@feddit.uk 3 months ago
Right but as far as I understand it the supermarkets and wholesalers screw all farmers over equally race isn’t a consideration.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I still love how everyone acts like America is the only racist country on the planet.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
We wanted to pretend it was ending ourselves until 2016.
lady_maria@lemmy.world 3 months ago
TIL posting/having conversations about a characteristic of one country implies that you believe that no other countries have that same characteristic.
While I’m sure the fact that the dominance of US news and culture on the internet is probably really frustrating for non-Americans, it’s pretty natural for Americans (or anyone, really) to talk about our own country and experiences… especially while having to grapple with how things have been escalating here. You’re certainly free to share your own experiences.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Can’t say I’ve ever seen people do that
Revonult@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I would prefer knowing my money is going to people who have been systematically disadvantaged for this nation’s entire history.
I suppose your post could imply other minorities could be included but they way I read your comment gives off big WLM energy.
Woht24@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah and I understand your thought process. However the entire point is to skip large corporations and buy food from local farmers. Again, why do they have to be black? Coming from a country not obsessed with race, the very mention of race prior to a product or service, seems strange and segregating in itself.
Race should just be taken out of it, support your farmers. That is my point.
And fuck off with the white lives matter shit. I would say the same shit to white farmers, Latino farmers etc. Race+service = bizarre.
prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Dude this is discrimination also. It’s like why do I have to pay for things that my gparents have done? This brings me to other questions such as how long do you will be “systematically disadvantaged”? I have seen those cases with my eyes: Afro has their college fees paid and they got paid for studying. he/her reproved. Do state retired the help? NO. They just had a talk with he/her and keep with aid. Meanwhile my mixed friend had to put gmother home as warrant to get a loan in order to pay the stupid college. I got enough with it.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Nobody alive has lived through this nation’s entire history
MangoCats@feddit.it 3 months ago
NorthEast Florida has: www.melanatedgrowersinc.com
Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Because they still get shut out of opportunities based solely on their skin color, names, and application photos. So they work together to create their own opportunities and are rightfully proud of that. America can stop worrying about race when we finally end racism.
gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 3 months ago
Do you ever stop to consider that it may be exactly because of your obsession with the skin tone of people, that you have so much racism?
Try imagining being just as obsessed about eye colors. It seems ridiculous right?
PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 3 months ago
Do you have a recent example of someone who was denied an opportunity, that is afforded to everyone, based solely on their race?
Woht24@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s the mentality that perpetuates it though
eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
It’s because America is obsessed with race, and has systematically attempted to demolish black economic power from the foundation of the society, that people may choose to shop this way.
Woht24@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah sure, but you’re just perpetuating. It should just be ‘buy from local American farmers’, race shouldn’t be a thing.
Spiderwort@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Fighting racism with more racism.
Agent641@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This is like, 50% the value of pissing off people in power.
88leo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
the democrats have built their entire brand around performative racial justice where everything they do is designed to appeal to different groups. Its super toxic and while I am vehemently anti-racist this tokenization of policy is counter productive and the reason why a lot of people reject the democrats as “racist”
taanegl@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Bro, the US wins world champions in racism. There are ethno-nationalists in India that think Americans take it too far.
It’s also important to note that POC, black people or melenated people (take your pick - i.e Pakistani and some Indians are PoC) are not exempt from being racist.
In fact, if you suffer racism there’s a chance you’ll then turn racist, because it triggers pack instinct, paranoia, group think - etc. Humans gonna hume. “You’re claiming reverse racism” - bitch, did I stutter? Racism is racism is racism is racism.
That being said, zoning laws are still CRT based and some neighbourhoods in the US only get the most basic super markets - if even that.
“All I see is church, church, liquor store” - Black Milk.
If black people need access to raw produce in areas they can’t get access to it, then I think it’s completely acceptable. Sad, but acceptable.
I could also see a bunch of Karens buying out the stock so that they can brag that they eat “black produce”, effective depriving black children of proper produce.
To err is human, and also be awful is human, and also racism… is human, and also (say it with me now):
Humana gonna hume. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TheFunkyPickle@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Because uh… Orange man hates black people or something…
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Is there something similar for finding local farms regardless of race?
RidgeDweller@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
You could try researching CSAs in your area. There are a few near me that sell farm shares with weekly pickup of seasonal veggies during harvest season. I’m in northern California, and our rate is under $20 per week after we split it with another couple. We usually receive more veggies than we would buy during a weekly grocery store trip, plus our farm let’s everyone pick fresh bouquets each pickup as a nice bonus.
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 3 months ago
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Farm co-ops I think focus on local farms.
yarr@feddit.nl 3 months ago
No, because whitefarmersindex.com got shut down for being too racist.
yarr@feddit.nl 3 months ago
“Can” cost less is doing a lot of work there. I would guess it would mildly annoy people in power, but TBH this isn’t a way to save money. If it really was, it would be common practice already.
There are lots of people who frequent local / smaller farms for things like access to organic foods / rarer crops / community support, but I’ve never known it to be cheaper than the industrial produce one can get at your nearest supermarket. Supermarkets clobbered local guys for a reason and pricing was a huge part of that.
drzoidberg@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I would guess it would mildly annoy people in power, but TBH this isn’t a way to save money. If it really was, it would be common practice already.
Bidets are a cheaper, well known, better way to clean your asshole after taking a shit, yet the common practice of Americans is still to choose to smear their own shit around their asshole with dry disposable paper cloths.
The flaw in your argument is that you think people, Americans at that, wouldn’t ignorantly continue to pay more for the convenience of not having to think where to buy their produce, because they can get it from the local Walmart 15 minutes away, instead of saving $20+ and driving 2 more minutes.
Americans are notoriously lazy and stupid, as evidenced this past November.
teamevil@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Holy shit…your thoughts on bidets are spot on…I just got one and hate not having it all the time due to travel.
-am American but want nothing to do with this hateful bullshit going on currently
_stranger_@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The crab speaks a deep truth.
Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Bidets aren’t common in a whole lot of countries. Heck there are probably more countries where a bidet is uncommon than common.
shalafi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Can’t speak to the cost, just found my local place and their FB link is offline.
a way to save money. If it really was, it would be common practice already.
I cannot overstate how dumb Americans are about shopping. The local Publix (expensive) just put the Winn Dixie (medium prices) out of business, just because the Publix is newer and prettier.
Meanwhile, there are 8 other groceries that are cheaper than either. Even the Aldi isn’t busy.
Been in a few big box stores lately, prices stunned me. “People pay for this shit?!” Dude on here posted his fish tank purchase. Spent loads buying: little rocks, sticks, big rocks. I just decorated a terrarium for nearly free.
I buy almost nothing new, hell, I find a lot of my stuff. We had to get a new washer and fridge last year, paid $400 for both off FB Marketplace, nicest I’ve ever had in life, minimum $2,200 at the hardware store. Not going to listen to Americans whine about high prices when they’re complicit.
Apologies, you triggered my Rant Card.
SpraynardKruger@lemmy.world 3 months ago
As a fellow American, I can simplify this (Americanize it) even further.
I cannot overstate how dumb Americans are
about shopping.Apologies, I’m just pissed off in general about my country, as I’m sure you are too.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
American here. I love finding a good deal. My ex-wife, however, was put-off about buying used, she was more worried about how others saw her than actually saving money.
bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
I’d pay more just to cut out corps.
My buddy’s sister is a cheese monger. 10/10
intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 months ago
My guess is it costs a lot more to ship small parcels of food rather than to transport food in bulk to one big store where everyone shops for it.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It would cost less for them to ship in bulk. It costs even less for them to charge you shipping.
greedytacothief@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s cool, but buying produce from your neighbors is also cool. Strong communities thrive together
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
It’s cool, but buying produce from your neighbors is also cool.
Um… My neighbors are black you fucking prick.
YetiBeets@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Okay, buy produce from them.
Whats the problem?
FatTony@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I rather not give people money by merit of the colour of their skin, though. Fuck me, right?
Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The fact that it’s cheaper. For you and they get paid more than the middle man would pay should be enough for you.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
Yeah, that’s not what’s happening.
But keep playing the victim.
rabber@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Why are Americans so obsessed with skin colour
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s a nation founded on rascism and the back of race based slavery. That shit doesn’t disappear overnight, unfortunately.
rabber@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Buying something because it goes to a certain skin colour promotes racism CMV
Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
It’s a bit sad that it’s just the “black farmers”. If possible, getting your stuff from a local market or even a farmer is always a good thing, no matter if it’s a black or white farmer. I have that here in austria where I get most of my meat and cheese directly from the farmer and it’s not just insanely tasty but also cheaper than from the grocery store.
Strong communities thrive together.
zephorah@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I would really like an Imperfect Foods replacement. Originally, IF was scratch and dent ugly veggies on discount with some consignment items. Post covid, prices crept up and then you had to pick and choose to get a deal, but you could still get a good box for under $40 every 2 wks that also included things like farro and yogurt. Misfit Marketplace bought them out and it took on a Whole Foods by mail vibe. Double to triple the regular grocery store prices. It would be $80+/week for the same box content which is galling. And it’s not the groceries, it’s MM. Who is paying $3 for 1 cucumber? $4 for 2 apples? $8 for a single pound of grapes or a pint of blueberries?
New potential produce sources are most welcome.
dumples@midwest.social 3 months ago
I had to drop Imperfect Food as well from the same problems. It was just more expensive than I needed. I haven’t found a replacement yet unfortunately. We are now just buying food as needed. I have been interested in a CSA but haven’t done it yet
zephorah@lemm.ee 3 months ago
The unbagged produce was fresher than grocery store and didn’t rot on the shelf in 3 days like post COVID produce from the grocery store tends to do.
So this post has potential.
jaschen@lemm.ee 3 months ago
In Taiwan, we had “day markets” where local farmers and fishers sell produce directly to you from the previous day’s harvest. Every city has at least a few dozen day markets as well. It really serves the community and not big corps.
Some veggies still have live bugs(ladybugs) on it. That’s how fresh it is.
It also cost 1/4 the cost in a corporate grocery store.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 3 months ago
We (the US) have farmers markets in a lot of places. They can have very specific times that I always forget about. Around here in the northern climate, the farmer markets stop during the winter or move indoors and shift to selling more jarred and canned goods. My neighborhood has a coop, but it’s more expensive than the grocery store and with a worse selection. We have options here, but they require more thoughtfulness.
Dr_Nik@lemmy.world 3 months ago
So every “farm” in my region is actually a community plot you can rent space in or a non profit outreach…no farms to purchase from.
Mojave@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Lots of deadlinks and farming alliances with mission statements.
Not a lot of links to buy food from farmers.
mipadaitu@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah, this isn’t being maintained. All the ones near me are dead websites.
jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Just Google “CSA <your city>”
remer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
How is this not racist? If there were a service where you could choose to buy directly from white farmers peoples would lose their minds
ArchRecord@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Because, on average, black people are more economically disadvantaged than white people.
Choosing to explicitly buy from black farmers will, on average, tend to support those with the least financial means out of the general population of farmers, whereas choosing to explicitly buy from white farmers will, on average, tend to support those who are already more financially advantaged.
One side is directly choosing to help those most likely to be economically disadvantaged, the other would be explicitly ignoring those with the least means in order to help those who already have the most, thus the situations are not quite comparable.
I personally would prefer an index that directly assessed farmers based on overall wealth to determine who you should buy from, but because that’s extraordinarily difficult to constantly update & maintain, verify, etc, it can just be easier to divide among racial lines since that still tends to produce a grouping that is relatively similar.
mipadaitu@lemmy.world 3 months ago
7toed@midwest.social 3 months ago
Well why do you think it is? Genuinely curious
other_cat@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Sadly and unsurprisingly, nothing near me. On the bright side, we do have a farmer’s market so I’ll just continue to patron that and say that if you have one near you, definitely check them out!
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 3 months ago
I think we should come up with a term for the kind of people to whom the color of a person’s skin is this important.
Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 3 months ago
So no asian farms, no spanish farms, no muslim farms?
Why just black farms? Doesn’t this lend itself to the trope of black people being farmhands?
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
To everybody saying “reverse racism” or whatever your wording is to imply that buying specifically from black people is problematic, why? Do you think that you would have a hard time finding a white run CSA to buy? This is just a resource for people interested in supporting the black community and frankly I see any form of opposition to it as pretty blatant racism itself. I’ll return from a Google search with what I find for other race specified CSA indexes in a bit.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I’ve gone to farmer’s markets and although the stuff is good, some of it is pricey. There are stuff like lettuce and stuff that are cheaper but most of stuff like berries and fruits are more expensive.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Well, only 2 within reasonable distance. One only sells microgreen kits. The other appears to be a supplier for restaurants, etc.
I zipped them an email to ask about private sales. But, definitely nothing on their website about sales and shipping to the public.
Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Region 5; Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin. Why are Ohio and Wisconsin grouped with the same link?
nomoredrama@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Wow, what blatant racism. This is insane. Instead of the KKK, what do these famers call themselves? BBB?
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
Thank you! I did not know that. Last news that I heard about black farmers was about then getting screwed by massive ag conglomerates.
Fleur_@lemm.ee 3 months ago
In the good ole days you didn’t have to pay
Viri4thus@feddit.org 3 months ago
I don’t think this reads as what it was probably intended initially…
jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 months ago
C.S.A
randon31415@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Just don’t buy meat directly - especially if you are hungry for bat and live in China.
TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Will it? What will eventually happen if this gains any sort of popularity is that those people you think it will piss off will simply set up their own “grass roots” alternative the directly competes with them by gaslighting them about their “horrible practices they don’t want you to know”, along with funding “white farmers against bullshit affirmative action racist against whites” types of movements as the cherry on top.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 months ago
Finding a farm close where you want is made unnecessarily difficult by the site’s interface. The grouping of states in regions is a hindrance and once you get to your state, the farms can’t be sorted other than by their name, so you have to look through every single one of them to find the farms close to you.
Great idea, terrible execution.
otp@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
But probably not a difficult fix. Websites can be updated.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 months ago
Which is why I’m providing feedback. I really want this to work.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 months ago
People who produce bad design like that, are often resistant to change.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
Cmd-F or Ctrl-F to search for cities. It’s imperfect, but I found seven hits for my city instantly. I could search neighboring cities and towns the same way.
Dashi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
To add to this comment, it’s not hard to find any of this information. “States grouped into areas” scroll to find your state, or again ctrl+f. “Hard to find cities” thankfully living in my area and being somewhat familiar with said area I can scroll down the list and find farmers in my general area. Short of putting in my address and searching for closest to which I hate anyway, this isn’t a bad interface as op suggests.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 months ago
That assumes you know all the place names of the region where you’re at. Someone that moved recently and/or lives in a tristate area (all of which are in different state regions in my case according to that map) is just faced with a very hostile design.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
at least you have something my state doesn’t even have anything lmao, it goes to a boilerplate page that gives little info
SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
My state (big ag state) has a whopping 3 and 2 of those are hemp. The one that isn’t just hemp doesn’t have an area listed, just the state.
I mean I’m glad there are any… but yeah, not a super great resource for some areas lol