The last sentence is fucked up. If you’re running over hundreds of people how in the fuck do you know they are terrorists. These people are intentionally and knowingly committing war crimes then come back home and cry about how this all made them so sad.
Sympathy for their PTSD
Submitted 16 hours ago by IndustryStandard@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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Sundial@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 43 minutes ago
gex@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Anyone who runs is Hamas. Anyone who stands still is well disciplined Hamas.
drolex@sopuli.xyz 15 hours ago
If the IDF is killing people, then they are terrorists. Not the other way around. You are to be checked for antisemitism/glorification of terrorism. Please report to your nearest IDF bulldozer.
ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 minutes ago
Relevant, from a comment I wrote below that is buried under too many other comments:
If going to jail is the penalty for not joining the IDF, it is the moral thing to do and should be worn like a badge of honor. It’s not complicated at all unless you literally have a death penalty for not joining. I don’t care how controversial this is: if as an IDF terrorist you don’t commit a mutiny, desert, or off yourself, congratulations, you’ve net increased the evil in the world.
Sympathizing with the IDF is 1:1 the exact same as sympathizing with the SS and anyone who says otherwise has both fingers in their ears and yelling nanananana until the crunching noises under their bulldozers stop.
You cannot be systematically eradicating a people you consider inferior and also pretend you have any moral high ground. You cannot bomb hospitals and ambulances and homes and schools and pretend like you are the good guy. You cannot set up viewing platforms to have your kids watch the destruction with your own eyes and claim to be the good guy.
Not to make this about me but I’ve been running myself ragged volunteering at the shelters here in a safer part Lebanon and I’m still fucked up over feeling like I’m not doing enough. Rotting at home will make me feel even worse. I went outside for a walk and wanted to throw up, feeling guilty over being able to go outside and walk to destress as people’s homes get carpet bombed more intensely than legitimate military targets. I know damn well that if I lost my own home these shelters are full and I would have literally nowhere to go. And more people are losing their homes every hour. People are fleeing to Syria and Iraq for safety, even as the border crossings are getting hit as well.
This is beyond ”normal” human evil. If any other army was doing this we would have rows of criminals hanging from cranes in The Hague, instead we have to watch them smugly tell us we’re next in a speech from the UN. For the unforgivable crime of being born on land that apparently exists only for colonization.
Do not let anyone lie to you. A Holocaust is happening right now and it is exactly as evil as the one the Nazis committed.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 hours ago
Ask Rachel Corrie, who was similarly run over by a bulldozer protecting Palestinian land. It’s been over 20 years and the US still doesn’t give a single shit about Israel murdering it’s own citizens.
Sundial@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
Yeah I remember reading about her. She was an incredibly brave woman. The most horrifying part was reading about the IDF soldiers who had a pancake party to mock her death.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 14 hours ago
Look at how well Israeli propaganda is working abroad. Now imagine how well it must be working on the israeli population.
Madison420@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Anytime who runs is a terrorist anyone who doesn’t run is a lazy terrorist.
DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 12 hours ago
reminds me of this bit:
“not only will america go to your country and kill all your people but they’ll come back 20 years later and make a movie about how killing your people made their soldiers feel sad.”
egrets@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
For context, this is from Frankie Boyle’s 2016 Hurt Like You’ve Never Been Loved.
TheBat@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I reread that in his voice.
Fosheze@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
In the aughts, once the US torture programs started getting public attention around 2003, I did my obsessive thing on the German Reich and the Holocaust.
During Operation Barbarossa, the SS was experimenting with eradication methods. The most common was the porgrom, endorsing the locals to massacre the undesirables. When they weren’t undesirable enough or it was the whole village, the einsatzgruppen (death squads) had to come do it, usually forcing them to dig a mass grave and then executing them along the side.
It was messy and brutal and gross, and there was high turnover among the death squads (the US has a similar problem with its combat drone operators). And this was a major problem.
The SS experimented with other ideas, including deathwagons that would pipe the vehicle’s exhaust into an enclosed chamber to kill dozens at a time, but even that was too harsh and too slow.
This is how the prototype genocide machine was made at Auschwitz. The program was aet up so no one who interacted with the live prisoners also interacted with the dead corpses. The guy who pushed the execute button was two persons removed in the chain of command from the guy who signed off on the execution order, and none of those people had to face the prisoners or the outcome. The point specifically was to make the process of massacre less stressful for the people involved.
Flipper@feddit.org 1 hour ago
There was a Sonderkommando of Jews in Auschwitz forced calm down inmates before murdering them and to rob and cremate them afterwards. Exactly to keep the psychic toll lower on the SS and to ensure fewer witnesses.
BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
My opinion of humanity was already so low…
Benjaben@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
It’s funny, I had the opposite reaction, I see this as pretty strong evidence of our decency. It’s really, really hard to get most people to behave this way, and the ones who do wind up fucked up from it (as they should).
mlg@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I swear this is almost trying to parody the title of the article about the 19 year old who was burned alive
jonne@infosec.pub 1 hour ago
I’m sure we’ll soon get an article about how the pilot felt sad about bombing a hospital.
PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
You would think it would be easy to find some poor conscript fuck who didn’t run over civilians in a bulldozer struggling with the fact that they were coerced into being part of a genocide, but no, CNN goes with the guy who crushed human beings. Even as attempted hasbara, that’s some high-level incompetence in CNN.
jonne@infosec.pub 1 hour ago
CNN has to run every story through the Israeli censor in their Jerusalem bureau. The only mainstream outlet that doesn’t go through that process is Al Jazeera, and Israel closed their offices.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
i sincerely hope his actions haunt him for the rest of his pathetic life
Tyfud@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Indoctrination is a hell of a drug.
Not saying these guys should be absolved, but they’re doing this because they think they’re the good guys/helping out.
We should be lamblasting their leadership and all of Israel’s parliament that’s enabling this.
But sometimes, soldiers are just soldiers/grunts. US Soldiers have similar PTSD after Afghanistan and Iraq. Not absolving them of sins, but when you’re trained for most of your adult life to take orders and not question them, and then those orders include killing innocents, it’s difficult to break from the indoctrination/control a group has had over you in the moment. Usually it’s not until you’re finished with your tour and you’re back home and had time to decompress that you realize the horrors you witnessed and perpetuated.
Again, not justifying it in any way, but if we don’t humanize Israeli soldiers, we run the risk of turning them into boogeymen like we did the Nazis. They were human too, and by not acknowledging that and how far humanity can go when they are supporting nationalist movements, we do great harm to any attempt to catch and correct these sort of things early.
There’s no switch that gets flipped that turns people into monsters. The worst atrocities ever committed upon humanity was by other humans. We need to acknowledge that they’re all human, or we risk repeating history.
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
They made a choice, do not absolve people of what they are doing and continue to do, especially if its fucking genocide, that’s literally how these things happen as well as the Holocaust.
At some point, people have to stand up and say no, voice their concerns, and just simply do the right thing
d00ery@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I’m pretty sure they did.
Six months after he was first sent to fight, he was struggling with post-traumatic […] Before he was due to redeploy, he took his own life.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 11 hours ago
Too cowardly to do anything useful to make amends. Just let another conscript fill his space.
Brave enough to drive over Palestinians and call them “terrorists in their hundreds”. Not brave enough to stand up to criticism from his countrymen. This is what spending billions of dollars on an asymmetrical war gets you: a system in which the weakest people can still take the lives of hundreds before being thrown away themselves.
Fosheze@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Wait… He crushed HUNDREDS of people with a bulldozer in less than 6 months‽ What the actual fuck.
yesman@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
One of the reasons for creating the system of death camps was that Nazi soldiers and policemen tasked with murdering Jewish people and other undesirables had elevated rates of PTSD. Also, during the Cultural Revolution, the People’s liberation Army switched to a lower caliber sidearm because all the executions were giving them carpel tunnel.
You don’t want to loose sight of humanity just because you’re committing atrocity.
TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
“IN THE HUNDREDS”
Good god someone please operation overlord these mother fuckers.
9point6@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I’m actually speechless.
I hope this guy suffers until his end.
BMTea@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I believe this particular quote is from a soldier who took his own life. How. Tragic.
leftytighty@slrpnk.net 11 hours ago
Too bad about the order of operations
rozodru@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
ah Israelis and playing the victim, name a more iconic duo.
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Gee I fucking wonder why you have trauma and PTSD??? Fucking moronic fucks, zero sympathy
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
I hope not that he dies but that he lives to watch everything he cares about crumble to dust as he is powerless to the winds of change
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Let me go get my Planck length sized violin.
AshMan85@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Aww, war criminals
hperrin@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Child murderer.
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 14 hours ago
Waltz with Bashir (2008]
v_krishna@lemmy.ml 11 hours ago
I got excited thinking there was DS9 content i hadn’t seen
glimse@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Hadn’t heard of this before but it looks pretty good
can@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Article link and a mirror
microphone900@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
How naive of me to think “That can’t be a real article. Surely they wouldn’t publish themselves saying they crushed living and dead people by the hundreds with an armored bulldozer. They must know how abhorrent, insane, and shocking that sounds. Right?”
No. Of course the worst excesses of violence which had never crossed my mind are being done by the IDF. I’m… I have no words.
can@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
I’m at a loss too. I was going to write something with the links but what can even be said.
Disaster@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Just as Chris Hedges predicted.
alleycat@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Fosheze@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Ah yes, those hundreds of “terrorists” all nicely lined up in the road.
winterayars@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
How the fuck do you run someone over with a bulldozer… no matter what i think of it’s not coming up good…
Hupf@feddit.org 2 hours ago
youtu.be/l4UFQWKjy_I