I would just unplug the camera and computer. Every day. Even if I want buying anything.
Fuck this business.
Restaurant in NYC offshores cashier job to Philippines so they can pay below minimum wage ($3/hr in Philippines)
Submitted 4 months ago by chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 4 months ago
Khrux@ttrpg.network 3 months ago
I’d presume they have a few cashiers from the Philippines but at least one person managing the store.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Boo for OP who didn’t name and shame
Nelots@lemm.ee 4 months ago
nypost.com/…/nyc-restaurants-use-zoom-cashiers-fr…
adding that she splits tips with her manager and kitchen staff at the restaurant.
They don’t even let her keep her entire tips. The whole situation is fucked. Somebody mentioned in the article also brought up a great point…
“Today, this is a Filipino woman behind a screen, controlling a POS system — but it’s not crazy to believe that probably in the next six to twelve months, this could be an AI avatar doing all the same things,” he said.
What a shitty future we have.
5too@lemmy.world 4 months ago
From the article, Sansan Chicken, Sansan Ramen, and Yaso Kitchen, all in NY. (Since nobody has said it yet)
intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Well yeah. When you eat at a restaurant, and tip, generally you’re not intending to tip the solely the cashier.
Before chanting along with the hate chant just think for a second. When’s the last time you tipped a cashier, with the intention of the tip going to the cashier and none of the rest of the staff?
lurch@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Zoom ID and pass are in the image tho 😄
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 4 months ago
Was about to say the same. Up vote instead.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
this should be straight up illegal.
Wogi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s not only legal it’s effectively encouraged. Capitalism is a race to the bottom, regardless of consequences.
generichate1546@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
When the supreme Court has their finger in the scale it makes everything feel fuckin hopeless
intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 months ago
The person in the Philippines gets a good job out of this
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 months ago
This should result in community violence.
And009@reddthat.com 4 months ago
Resulted in community silence instead
BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 4 months ago
People should just not go there. But it’s america and they probably have 1dollar chicken nuggets or something.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I would probably just turn around if I saw and understood what I was looking at. Definitely wouldn’t go back a second time.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I think it is illegal. I thought you had to file a W2 for anyone working in the states.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 months ago
They are not physically in the US, and probably work listed as some sort of overseas contractor. Whatever wages they earn are from their employer who contracts for the restaurant.
That’s probably how it works.
ThePantser@lemmy.world 4 months ago
At that point why even have a cashier? Just put a POS and have people swype to enter like a subway.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Because then you can’t show the world that you’re a piece of shit who enjoys exploiting cheap labor.
thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Sounds like they’ve already got a POS, just higher up on the org chart.
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
$3 is good pay over there, buys way more than our $3. Bet people are scrambling for those jobs. Good money when the daily min wage is $8-$10.
For example, my wife’s ex took her family and friends to the fanciest restaurant they could find. $120 (including tip) for 16 people.
Americans are the ones exploited here. McDonalds is pumping money out of the country and taking our jobs.
Lommy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The POS is too busy running the company
intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Sometimes it’s nice if someone gets a job, and sometimes people like to talk to a person while they’re paying.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I would rather use a POS terminal than try to talk to someone over zoom with no headphones. If it’s not a human in person who can just say “hmmm the computer is broken here’s your sandwich” then it’s worse.
Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This shit has got to be outlawed. Companies are doing this across the board. Literally sporting labor laws, outsourcing jobs that should be going to us citizens, all to just continue pouring more money into the tops pockets. When will we have all had enough?
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 months ago
It’s a simple enough solution in this case. They are performing the work of employees, so for all intents and purposes, they are employees. They are directly interacting with US customers at a physical location within the US. Their place of work is that physical location, even if they are not physically present. They need authorization to work in the US, and the minimum wage laws applicable to that location applies to these workers.
gerbler@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sounds like something the Department of Labour could legislate… Or could have.
But the supreme court just ruled that this falls under the courts jurisdiction and there’s a snowflakes chance in hell that a case pushed high and far enough will result in those ghouls will rule in favour of labour interests.
Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So what can the citizens do to get traction on this?
teamevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Not with this fucking compromised supreme court. Nothing was capitalized on purpose.
BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Good thing they build a wall so these mean immigrants are not stealing jobs.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure
Oops! All Plantations, now!
sjpwarren@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Can’t wait to hear how Trump says Philippines
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
I would not shop here. If I saw this, I would turn around and walk out. Go somewhere that they value work.
Wogi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
BuT nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe
octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
errer@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Everyone in the US takes advantage of cheap overseas labor. It’s just usually not directly in your face.
treadful@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
It’s usually impossible not to, because we have no visibility into the supply chain or there’s no other options. In this case, it’s impossible to ignore.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 4 months ago
This feels cyberpunk. Some netrunner will hack the system and give free meals away because fuck the corpos, right?
ColonelPanic@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I don’t think you need a netrunner to plug a mouse into the pc behind the monitor and hit “Leave” on the (I assume) Teams call
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Whoa, slow down there, Einstein, I don’t understand your hacker jargon!
domdanial@reddthat.com 4 months ago
Or turn off the monitor and bounce lol. If you don’t have employees to fix things, systems are hilariously easy to break.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 months ago
plug a mouse into the pc behind the monitor and hit “Leave” on the (I assume) Zoom call.
“If someone’s consistently lucky, it ain’t luck”
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Fuck corpo shit
Twoafros@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Are there movements in the US or globally to force all business into worker coops? Unions are good but I think this is their ultimate limitation, that employers can just offshore their jobs
31337@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Venezualla has somewhat of a history of workers seizing their factories. I think it would be extremely hard in the U.S. due to the well-funded police. Generally, I guess the movement would be “anarcho-syndicalism.”
Chewget@lemm.ee 4 months ago
They’ll send in the national guard
Twoafros@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Thanks. I didn’t know about Venezuela’s history at all. But I meant not more on a policy level to mandate that all companies must be owned equally by employees instead of shareholders
rodkaroma117@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Got some sources on that? I was born and raised there and all I can find is the government seizing factories, not the workers
intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Forcing isn’t good.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
By that hyper-simplistic “logic” people shouldn’t be forced into prison if they murder someone.
Clearly some kinds forcing are necessary, by which point it’s all about “when is forcing right and when is it not?” something that childlike “logic” of yours doesn’t even begin to address.
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
Forcing is absolutely good. We force companies to do all kinds of things, in terms of corporate governance (publicly traded companies must have their finances audited, for example), ownership (banks used to be prevented from buying stock so that they would not avoid calling in bad debt), and how they do business (collusion between big tech to keep salaries down for example).
jlou@mastodon.social 4 months ago
Twoafros@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Thanks! First time hearing of this.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Having no actual person guarding your business is a recipe for theft. If this catches on it will be so much easier to steal from places. I’m ok with this
Catma@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You shouldnt ever try to protect the cash register at your place of work. They give 0 fucks about you and will have a job posting up before your body is cold.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I remember working in a store and a guy walked through the scanner at the door and it went off, the other employee looked at me and was like “that guy stole something, hey?” And I was just like “yep” and we went back to whatever we were doing lol
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Having no actual person guarding your business is a recipe for theft.
Privatize the profits, socialize the costs
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The recommended course of action in a robbery is to follow instructions and hand over anything they ask for. If they grab product and walk out of the store, don’t try to stop them. This is actually less of an insurance liability than having an actual person there.
Phegan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
A 17 year old kid paid minimum wage who gives zero fucks about the company isn’t a huge deterrent either. As long as you don’t put them in risk steal from corpos all the time
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 4 months ago
"It’s stealing time!"
- every semi competent criminal
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 4 months ago
Unplug the display, get meals for free?
Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Why not just have a kiosk at this point
bcgm3@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Working as a graphic designer in the US since the early 2000’s, every employer I ever worked for eventually used Fiverr to pay someone overseas a fraction of what they paid me to do the same work. This doesn’t seem meaningfully different.
Not saying this is okay, just that it’s not even remotely (no pun intended) a new problem.
cybervseas@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Japanese Fried Chicken? JFC
Looks like this is “Japang”. Terrible reviews online and described as actually a “ghost kitchen”.
SoupBrick@pawb.social 4 months ago
Ah yes, its the minorities who are stealing jobs. Not the lack of regulations blocking corpos from outsourcing work.
sudo42@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m honestly surprised the corps haven’t done this to all of their drive-thrus.
SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Theyre stealing our jobs without even being here! /s
Hello_there@fedia.io 4 months ago
What happens when you join the zoom id listed?
obinice@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Okay but like… how are they gonna count out my change?
Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Ok what the actual fuck?
conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I’m almost certain this has been tried before multiple times and always ended badly. I see no reason to think it would be different now.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I just wouldn’t go to thay restaurant. Plenty of other places to go.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 4 months ago
This is the response to “work from home”
MrSusan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Is this real? Is there any proof of this actually being a thing?
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Yeah it’s definitely dystopian that someone in the Philippines gets to earn a living 🙄
Rullejorge@feddit.dk 4 months ago
Not knowing the law in the US I guess it is fully legal. Given that there is no union or chain responsibility in the supply chain or similar to GDPR in EU you guys are fucked until someone abuse the system one way or another.
On the other hand it shows work from home is feasible even with these kind of things.
lemmylommy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So … they do ask for tips, right?
Zatore@lemm.ee 4 months ago
shouldn’t the federal minimum wage apply to everyone who is doing work in the US? This seems like fraud
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
$3 is loads more than the Philippines minimum wage. I think it’s $8-$10 per day.
Also, y’all are thinking of what $3 buys in the US. The purchasing power is far different. $3 buys a lot over there.
I’ll ask my wife when she gets home, but I bet $3 is equivalent to $10-$12 in the US.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You misunderstand. We aren’t unaware or ignoring the purchasing power difference, that’s obvious, everyone knows currency differs. The issue is and always has been the outsourcing to increase profit in general, regardless of country or purchasing disparity. There is no reason to use a teleconferenced cashier for a retail location other than minimizing employee pay, not just by paying the minimum required here but literally taking a local job and shipping it overseas so you can instead pay what would be a clear poverty wage here, while undoubtedly having record profits like all these companies end up with.
Miaou@jlai.lu 4 months ago
I mean, yeah probably. That’s not the point. The point is that it’s a race to the bottom for people living in higher cost-of-living places.
Zatore@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I really don’t care how much buying power they have over there. A fair days work here in the US should be paid in turn.
PunnyName@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Okay. Imagine the purchasing power of someone who made the NYC minimum wage of $16/hr.
Maybe pay people for their time, not what the exchange rate “might” be.
Einridi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Depends on the region, lowest is about 350 php or 6 usd per day. Most of the call centers are in the big cities however where wages are a bit higher and they well enough to be thought of as a decent job.
Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This practice is rampant across industries and only getting worse. We must demand an end to it through legislation.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 months ago
We may not agree with it, but this is exactly the same thing as an overseas call center. They’re not physically located in the US and are not subject to any laws here.
pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
They aren’t doing work in the US though.
Zatore@lemm.ee 3 months ago
That is naive. I hope you don’t have any employees