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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The smart ones don’t need wikipedia to know that authority should be distrusted.

    You just need one bad teacher or school admin and you should be able to figure out why you should be skeptical of all authorities, including your parents. (They could poison your food or even stab you in your sleep… so, stay alert kids, stay on guard at night 👀)

    (Okay that last part I’m just half-kidding… but your parents could technically do it and you have no defense against that… 👀)

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  • abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I agree with almost all this list, but Building 7 pisses me off a bit

    WhY dId BuIlDiNg 7 cOlLaPsE?

    Because two of the tallest buildings in the world collapsed right next to it, causing structural damage that lead to it’s collapse.

    BuT iT lOoKs LiKe A DeMoLiTiOn.

    What do you think structural failure is meant to look like? Do you think it’s meant to look like Jenga bricks falling over? Like do you really think two of the largest buildings in the world collapsing next to a comparatively small building like that is going to do nothing?

    The reason why you don’t see surrounding buildings damaged when they’re demolishing something like a British Tower-block is because they time the explosions precisely, shore up anything that might get damaged and evacuate the area. Do you really think the same thing would happen if two of the world’s largest towers had their floors slam down on each other like a squeezebox, and then had the cores collapse right next to them? Do you, hand on heart, think a building right next to that happening, wouldn’t suffer structural damage?

    Wanna know something about 9/11? If the US government wanted to do a false flag, they wouldn’t fucking bother doing some long winded scheme involving thermite or explosives or missiles disguised perfectly as planes that can be debunked by people who think Occam is a razor company. They would just like whatever of the 101 major terror plots that are being planned against the US that they know about happen. Why spend millions of dollars doing it yourself when you can just fucking let the guy in Afghanistan and his buddies that you have been watching for a decade and change do what they have been planning.

    That, or, and this is something people might not consider, as cruel, power hungry, and sociopathic as the world’s governments may be, they are also made up of people, some of those people fuck up, some of those people are morons. The idea that the everpresent They, (The Enby that controls the world) is hypercompetant and hyperintelegent is just something people believe to feel safer when they trust the government, and more powerful when they don’t.

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    • DillDough@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Multiple organizations within the US government received warnings about and had information on the 9/11 attacks like a month before hand, we knew it was going to happen and let it, that’s a fact.

      To be fair, I doubt that is what whoever made this had in mind but still it is a valid piece of evidence for not trusting the government.

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      • Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It doesn’t take controlled demolitions or fake planes with hidden missiles or anything convoluted like that, just money. I can’t prove it, but I believe there are people in this world who cultivate extremism like it’s agriculture, and for the right fee you can order up some extremist robots to do some extremist shit.

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    • Wilco@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No steel frame buildings in history have ever collapsed from fire. It has never happened… except for those three in one day.

      Building 7 literally just caught fire and then fell. Pretty fucking weird.

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    • redsand@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ghislane was invited on the 9/11 shadow commission so I’m throwing my favorite conspiracy in the ring: A handful of people at the CIA and Mossad piggybacked on an Al Qaeda operation and let it go forward to destory evidence of crimes, steal billions and create a justification for war all in one move.

      No thermite needed and it doesn’t particularly matter if the Pentagon was hit by a missile or not it plays the same. Epstein files prove the rogue elements in the CIA have been there for decades. Very little hands on work needed, mostly strategic fumbling.

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    • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The conspiracy was that the US government waged war against multiple countries that had nothing to do with fucking 9/11.

      Speaking of building 7 specifically , no building has ever collapsed this way from fire and no building will ever again. It was not significantly damaged from the towers and the official explanation was fire. The fact that you say otherwise is disinformation and shows you are full of shit

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      • abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Oh wow, I guess this conspiracy has gone on for about 80 years now because they must have faked all the newsreel footage of buildings collapsing from fire bombings during the blitz. There’s plenty of examples of buildings collapsing to the fire, also has ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, having a Boeing 767 crash into the side of the building might have caused just a bit of damage.

        9/11 conspiracy theorists are so desperate to prove that 9/11 was a masterful plan by the government that only they have figured out that they can’t even use Occam’s razor.

        Why did building seven collapse? Because I had two of the world’s tallest buildings collapsed right next to it. It’s not that hard.

        Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams? Well it’s a miracle then that the plane hit the only floors in the building with no flammable material inside. Everyone in there was just butt naked on asbestos floors. And there was definitely no gas line going up to the top floor for the restaurant there. Also, can we just talk about the elephant in the room, the fact that getting hit by a 767 going full tilt would cause a lot of damage?

        “Oh but what about the 1945 empire state crash?” A B-25 lost in the fog is a lot slower and a lot smaller than a 767. I can think of several plane crashes where a plane crashes into a building, only four of them involved a controlled flight into the building at full tilt. Three of them are on 9/11, the fourth one was a guy copying 9/11 in a Cessna.

        “Oh but what about the puffs of smoke that were clearly demolition rounds?” Yeah if only there was a reason that puffs of dust and air would pop out the windows like that, maybe something like the floors coming down very quickly?

        But do you want to hear a couple of conspiracy theories?

        1. The American government knew that 9/11 was going to happen and sat on their hands to let it happen so they could pass Draconian laws to roll back freedoms and rights and give them the excuse to go into places like Afghanistan and Iraq.
        2. The agencies that you think are hypercompetent sociopaths with special technology but letting them do a false flag attack are not actually hypercompetent and dropped the ball so badly that over 3,000 people died.

        Both of those conspiracy theories are just as enraging and dare I even say even more likely then the US government orchestrating 911 like a villain in a marvel movie. If you think the US government is hyper competent and in control of everything, let me remind you that during the biggest crisis of this decade, the president of the United States on live camera suggested that people should inject themselves of bleach to kill covid.

        Sometimes you just need to take Occam’s razor to a conspiracy theory. And if you think that a plane crashing into something couldn’t cause structural damage severe enough to cause a building to collapse, go look up the aftermath of Lockerbie, or any plane crash featuring buildings.

        And if you’re going to look at me right in the eye and tell me that having two of the world’s biggest buildings collapse right next to a building would not cause structural damage to said building, I think you need to touch grass because that’s Hobbyless behaviour.

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      • Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Fuk_Court_fire

        They probably just built it way, way, way, worse than these Hong Kong highrises.

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    • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I agree, and feel similarly about the inclusion of operation Northwoods.
      It’s most prominently a horrifying plan that was rejected and remained classified, with the proposer being replaced shortly afterwards (it’s entirely possible that’s a coincidence).

      Someone thinking of something horrible and then not doing it isn’t evidence that they would do something similar. There’s no particular reason to think they hid evidence because they admitted in the same deeply classified documents to doing far worse things.

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      • abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I know, and you don’t need to point to Operation Northwoods to “prove” anything because American Government officials have proposed much worse things and have done much worse things.

        Like MacArthur proposed using nukes like conventional bombs to completely irradiate the Korean - Chinese Border. This would not merely kill Millions, perhaps billions, but it would cause a nuclear winter. For that, MacArthur was dismissed. That was a proposal.

        What people forget is that MacArthur fired upon American World War One vets protesting to get their War bonuses because of the depression during the Bonus War. You don’t need to make up conspiracies, what governments have already done/doing are bad enough.

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’re forgetting that the singular person responsible for the decision not to do it was assassinated shortly after…

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What do you think structural failure is meant to look like? Do you think it’s meant to look like Jenga bricks falling over? Like do you really think two of the largest buildings in the world collapsing next to a comparatively small building like that is going to do nothing?

      like this but rotated 90 degrees why
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      • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That is weirdly satisfying.

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Also giant buildings are designed to withstand a huge amount of torque/moment. They act like sails in the wind and it’s a catastrophe if they fall over. But additionally you really want to minimize sway so people at the top don’t get seasick in their office/apartment. But then there’s the destruction element of it. You want to do everything in your power to make sure that if a building you design to go in Manhattan of all places has to go down it goes directly down and not across the street into another building like a tragic line of dominoes.

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        i have been in well designed towers and poorly designed towers. the poorly designed tower was 13 floors high. it swayed like a boxer. the well designed tower also swayed like fuck, but you couldn’t feel it thanks to earthquake stuff.

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      • abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Basically. Buildings don’t fall like Jenga bricks. When something bad happens, they tend to implode, be it on purpose, if an airliner crashes into them, or if the aforementioned building collapses next to you and causes you structural damage.

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    • d00ery@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Inappropriate ads Image

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      • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        What’s inappropriate about it?

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      • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Only as inappropriate as a Christmas/Easter ad on any page about the anglosphere.

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah I’m not big on the 9/11 conspiracy stuff. But, I do think some kind of shady shit was going down to motivate the attackers aside from hate for the US.

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      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You think hate for the US is insufficient?

        I think you underestimate our reputation.

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  • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Telecommunications Act Copyright extensions DMCA SAVE Act KOSA War on drugs War on terror

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      F3EAD in Iraq/Afghanistan

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    • Cruxifux@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Patriot Act COINTELPRO Operation AJAX

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    • trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      SOPA, PIPA, Patriot Act, Xkeyscore

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      • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Citizens United
        SCOTUS
        Unequal representation
        Electoral College
        Corporate capture

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  • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That is a rather short list.

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    • glitchdx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      just some highlights

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  • TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is all American stuff. What about British, German, French, Russian, Japanese, Chinese atrocities and coverups? God knows there are terrible secrets along them all.

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Get you own post, whatabouter.

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      • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        It’s less whataboutism and more a comment on how you should be at least mildly distrustful of any government

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    • Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why do people always forget the Dutch. :(

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      • HowAbt2day@futurology.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Unless you’ve survived a Dutch Oven. #neverForget

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      My personal one: One Child Policy that almost got me “terminated”

      Never gonna forget that, its a very personal grudge for me

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    • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hell, just look back a bit for the shit done in the open.

      I submit King Leopold the 2nd of Belgium. In Belgium he’s known as “the builder king” because he spent so much of his own money to build parks and civic buildings and such.

      Money that was acquired through what was described at the time as Crimes Against Humanity.

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      • greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ah yes, he had a hunger only hands could satisfy.

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      • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        King Leopold the 2nd of Belgium.

        described at the time

        Hmm… I wonder when these…

        Leopold II was the second king of the Belgians from 1865 to 1909, and the founder and sole owner of the Congo Free State from 1885 to 1908.

        Oh that’s not too long ago. “Sole owner of the Congo Free State” sounds like a contradiction tbh

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  • DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t trust government because of the things I know my government has done.

    If you don’t trust your government, then perhaps instead of just saying “American problem”, list the things you know your government has done.

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  • afromustache@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Also the entirety of the last 30 years of us politics

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    One of these things is not like the others

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    • Syndication@lemmy.today ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Building 7?

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      • Gork@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Buildings 1 through 6 weren’t ominous enough.

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    • Asidonhopo@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Waco?

      Yeah I’d have been alright with Janet Reno following it up with sending armed troops in to firebomb all the hundreds of cult compounds across this nation. Good riddance to those pedophile nutjobs, instead of continuing going after that sort of decay we let them fester and it contributed to the rot we see today in America. We could have made up for lost time not finishing Reconstruction, Sherman-style.

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I don’t want them firebombed, but yeah the backlash against Waco is how the Zion Ranch was able to exist as long as it did. In the aftermath of Waco as long as your cult claims to be Christian and is armed the feds will let you get away with so much bs for so long.

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      • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The problem with Waco was the firebombing itself. The cops wanted a big standoff rather than just arresting the cult leader when he went out into town, which he did repeatedly.

        Leaderless cults can be picked apart without gunfire.

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      • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You know like 30 innocent little kids were killed right?

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  • rafoix@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s not just those things that happened. It’s that everyone involved should have been arrested and incarcerated but it didn’t happen.

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Absolutely

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  • CubitOom@infosec.pub ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    COINTELPRO

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  • MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Don’t forget about…

    Agent Orange Camp Lejeune Vietnam Vets exposed to dirty medical equipment

    Had neighbors and relatives that have been effected or died from all of these.

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  • protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    is this list exhaustive?

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    • Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      nooo

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  • 0ops@piefed.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    PRISM

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  • ieatpwns@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why about citizens united?

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  • choui4@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Am I the only one who doesnt know about ALL of these?

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    • DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There’s a list, start reading. You won’t be taught this in school, you need to educate yourself. I suggest doing it now, before the resources start to disappear, which could happen any day now.

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      • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        All of these have produced a few books each, found in a very public and open archive run by some woman named Anna. I don’t think they’ll be going away that easily.

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      • choui4@lemmy.zip ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        I know A LOT, to be fair. Just not all. I feel like in cases like these, its hard to even know where to turn for sources

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean, some of them are vague to the point of being banal. The NDAA is just the bi-annual Congressional requirement to reauthorize US military operations abroad.

      Why would anyone have that marked out as a conspiracy theory on the level of MK Ultra or Operation Northwoods? No reason you’d recognize the acronym as such.

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      • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        NDAA authorizing almost a trillion dollars to the military industrial complex. Nothing to see here just spending that exceeds 9-10 countries.

        Hundreds of thousands of civilians have died by US bombing in the last fifty years. I would place continuing to authorize this obtuse amount of overspending way worse than MK Ultra.

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      • choui4@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Is it as pernicious?

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  • ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t like the judicial system, I don’t like the government system, I don’t like the police, I don’t like anything to do with this country’s government. I just don’t like it, because… they’re sneaky, like I said - they’re deceitful, they’re lying, they’re cheats, they rip the people off. That’s the American government for you. America is a third world country, and people don’t recognise it… and I think that that’s pretty god damn sad, that they don’t recognise their own country as a third world, third rate, third class slum

    Godspeed fans will know

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    • alt_xa_23@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I wonder what BBF3’s take on the current state of the world would be

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      • ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Man thought things were shit in the 90s, he’d be baffled now

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I know why most of these are here but why JFK? Like the man himself or the whole assassination conspiracy thing?

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Like the man himself or the whole assassination conspiracy theory thing?

      Plenty of compelling evidence to believe Kennedy was murdered at the order of ex-CIA Director Allen Dulles. Even if you don’t want to go all the way down that rabbit hole, though, there’s even more evidence to suspect Kennedy’s secret service fucked up on the job - both in the planning of the parade and in the initial response to gunfire. The “magic bullet” thesis has a number of much more believable counter-explanations, not the least being Kennedy’s security detail firing blindly from inside the car and hitting the President by mistake.

      Also, very deep CIA and mafia connections specifically running through New Orleans in the 1960s, such that letting Lee Harvey Oswald spill his guts would be bad for mission security, even if he had just been a lone gunman.

      However you slice the Kennedy assassination, there’s plenty of big blind spots in the story where speculation runs rampant. And those blind spots are almost certainly the result of embarrassed/implicated state officials involved in some level of cover-up.

      shit like MK Ultra actually and provably happened

      The downwind implications of MK Ultra get incredibly muddy. It’s one thing to say “the US government was experimenting with psychedelics” and quite another to claim “The Manson Murders were orchestrated as a domestic terrorist event intended to crush the hippie movement in California and elect Ronald Reagan.”

      You could say the same about the Gulf of Tonkin. Was this an American Navy vessel crew that fucked up by accident? Or a deliberate false flag intended to bring the US into Vietnam?

      Bohemian Grove is another one you can take extremely deep. It gets brought up alongside Comet Ping Pong Pizza in the “elites are eating babies to stay young forever” conspiracies.

      Part of the problem with this list is that you can take any item on it and flip it like a coin to get “mundane rational accusations of impropriety” on one side and “wildly speculative deep lore of a fascist puppeteer regime controlling the country” on the other.

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  • AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Loosely quoting IF Stone, If you can remember two words, governments lie. If you can remember three words, all governments lie.

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  • Onomatopoetikum@feddit.org ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So the problem seems to be the american government

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    • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s the recent trend.

      Well, the American government, and the Israeli government, the Russian government, the Chinese government, the UK government, the German government, and a bunch more, add in the dictatorships who can’t fuck around outside their own boarders, and you basically have every government.

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes clearly the united states government is the only government that contains corruption and shady dealings with its citizens.

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  • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    All US government stuff, though

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah as I previously stated, the US government is the only government in which corruption and evil dealings happen…

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  • yucandu@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sounds like an American problem.

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  • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    gestures vaguely

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