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Instagram boss: 16 hours of daily use is not addiction

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Submitted ⁨⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨excel24@feddit.org⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn71mgmzljlo

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  • Analog@lemmy.ml ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Post headline deserves a downvote. Quote from article:

    Lanier asked Mosseri what he thought of K.G.M’s longest single day of use of Instagram being 16 hours.

    “That sounds like problematic use,” the Instagram boss answered. He did not call it an addiction.

    He also didn’t say it was a tomato. Like wtf do you want, I can’t tell if he was asked specifically if 16 hours a day was an addiction. The prior question was about whether he had known she had a 16hr day, and he had not. (He should have; poor trial prep.)

    This is sensationalist BS and I dearly want this platform to be better than that.

    Just so we’re clear, Meta can die in a fire and the world would be better off, I’m not defending them in the slightest.

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    • XLE@piefed.social ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The title is accurate.

      He was asked if it was an addiction, and he repeatedly used technicalities and weaseley language to refuse to admit it.

      “It’s important to differentiate between clinical addiction and problematic use,” [Instagram head Adam Mosseri] added.

      “I’m sure I’ve said that I’ve been addicted to a Netflix show when I binged it really late one night, but I don’t think it’s the same thing as clinical addiction.”

      Yet, Mosseri repeatedly said he was not an expert in addiction in response to Lanier’s questioning.

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      • lmmarsano@group.lt ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        he repeatedly used technicalities and weaseley language to refuse to admit it

        see

        Yet, Mosseri repeatedly said he was not an expert in addiction in response to Lanier’s questioning.

        Even if a nonexpert claims something is clinical addiction, they’re a nonexpert & their word is meaningless. For a credible statement, they’ll need to admit relevant evidence instead of ask a nonexpert.

        Imagine being asked for a medical diagnosis when you’re not a qualified physician. It’s perfectly fair to point out you’re not an expert on the matter & point out your awareness of distinctions between imprecise conventional language & precise, scientific definitions.

        No one is obligated to volunteer dubious claims to antagonize themselves on the stand just because you want them to.

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      • maturelemontree@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That still sounds misleading. He was not speaking for 16 hours of use which is what the headline suggests. As other has stated, I hope those companies crumble but I think honesty is important, not sensationalization.

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      • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        He’s right. Clinical addiction has nothing to do with how much you do something, it has to do with how much it causes problems in your life. I know everyone on Lemmy is tripping over their own hard ons to kill corporations, but there are people using lemmy 16 hours a day and if laws are passed to fight Internet addiction, they will not specifically target corporations. We all go down together. Just ask the creator of Urban Dead.

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    • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The entire line of questioning was about addiction and the CEO was pretending it wasn’t (he didn’t want up admit the truth because his company would be liable). The headline was accurate and your take is officially a hot one.

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Something something defending the billionaires! /s

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      • Analog@lemmy.ml ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I just dislike sensationalism.

        If the truth isn’t enough, then I don’t want it.

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    • luciferofastora@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The post accurately copies the article’s headline without editorialising.

      The article itself is shit though.

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    • lmmarsano@group.lt ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is sensationalist BS and I dearly want this platform to be better than that.

      This platform loves sensationalism. Same with other platforms.

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  • themurphy@lemmy.ml ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They’ll say and exploit anyone for their numbers.

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    • NatakuNox@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Such a moral way to run a whole economic philosophy.

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  • IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Philip Morris: 1 pack of cigarettes per day is not addiction.

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    • FatVegan@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah but i spend 0 hours a day on social media. There is someone out there that reads 16 hours a day and bo one calls books addictive.

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    • PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Greatest accomplishment of my life was quitting cigarettes.

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      • buffing_lecturer@leminal.space ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Congrats!

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  • qarbone@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A system that benefits people who lie about objective facts should be destroyed.

    If the tactical business decision is to look someone in the face and say “spending 2/3rds of a day, 16 whole hours, idly gazing at photos of anything is not an addiction” in order to protect business interests, then things are wrong. Addiction to a product should be met with horror! Oh no, how could this happen? Instead, it’s part of the business model.

    “Business” is a blight.

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    • atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Are you sure it benefits him to say that? I think its not even a left vs right issue to recognize this is an issue.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve known drug dealers more honourable than this.

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  • lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Punchable face.

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  • arcine@jlai.lu ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t even use “being awake” 16 hours a day 😂

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  • pimpampoom@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Coming from a potential cocaine sniffing addict that’s not surprising

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  • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    My dealer says the same

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  • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    All I do is play fucking games and even 16 hours of that is absurd unless I’m specifically trying to force my sleep pattern into something usable again.

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    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I wish I could game for 16 hours straight, but my flesh is spongey and weak.

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    • RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve definitely hit 16 hr days before for gaming but it’s rare as hell. Warframe, Runescape and Minecraft are probably the only 3 to hit that peak, and I’m definitely not a functioning human during that time.

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      • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I still think that 16 hours of gaming are better than 16 hours of scrolling videos that are passively fetched to you.

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What’s the deal with tech bosses obviously lying lately? Just a legal thing? Or a it’s true if we say it long enough thing?

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    • LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      When the president of the united states is held to zero accountability and no one seems to care. Why would these assholes?

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      • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They are the exact same type of assholes

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      • Zink@programming.dev ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Oh they do care, just in the wrong way.

        In the business world “benchmarking” basically means “let’s copy what the successful people do, so that line go up”

        In their robotic, amoral view of the world, they see one of the most successful people on the planet (according to their definition of success) constantly spouting obvious lies and being surrounded by sycophants while getting elected twice and grifting billions and facing no punishments. Maybe if the tech CEOs get rich enough and their companies get important enough, they can join his club.

        Ohhh, and they must be how we get oligarchies!

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  • Iconoclast@feddit.uk ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What do you even do on Instagram for 16 hours?

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    • Motocolpittz@piefed.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      My ex was super depressed. Long story short she was struggling with sexuality. I watched her spend literal hours on the couch scrolling insta. She got deep into Reels and would watch them all day. The algorithm is so addicting. It kept her eyes glued. She also ended up down the self diagnosed rabbit hole deciding she had all sorts of mental illness. It was awful.

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      • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I only have an Instagram account to follow when special beers are released by a local brewery. That’s their only method of communication, which is annoying.

        I have found myself on IG watching skateboarding or cliff diving videos for 15 or 20 minutes before catching myself. It’s crazy how addicting it can be. I’m not doom scrolling or even researching a hobby I often do. I just find those videos fascinating, and it keeps feeding that to me. I just don’t open IG anymore.

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    • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why do ppl spend hours on slot machines in bars and casinos?

      FB, IG, TikTok, Candy Crush etc. are all using those exact same techniques to get you hooked like junkies.

      It’s literally a crime a against humanity.

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    • Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Doom scroll

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    • krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      idk but the fact that people do that is sad as fuck

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  • minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    He is not qualified to identify what is and isn’t addiction. He is qualified to demonstrate he’s a psychopath.

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Gotcha, I can do 16 hours of Insta on coke off the toilet seat and be OK. Thank you CDC!

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    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      16 hours of doing coke? Im never gonna financially recover from this.

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  • Clbull@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why does he look like Steve Carrell playing a sociopathic big tech asshole?

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Like in Mountainhead.

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    • Monfreaky444@lemmy.zip ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thought it was the Verizon guy.

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  • vane@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Image

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    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      UltraViolence

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  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Of all my active addictions, none take 16 hours to satiate.

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  • Derpenheim@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Bro I spend 4 hours a day gaming and I feel guilty enough to fuck over my sleep schedule and get some chores done. 16 hours???

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    • Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Teenagers.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They want to be an integral part of our lives, like thinking, except they’ll take the place of thinking, or talking, or even looking around.

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  • BadlyTimedLuck@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I dunno. I found it pretty addicting when I was holding both a vape and my phone, and I had doomscrolled for 9 hours till the battery died without having hit my vape once

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  • imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What did Snapchat and TikTok settle for? Did they just pay money to not to expose themselves in court? Or did they actually settled to FUCKING FINALLY crack down on addiction and other issues on their platform? (x) Doubt

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  • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You can trust ol empty eyes there. He knows what he is lying.

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  • NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well, it’s very simple, don’t you see? When he makes money, it’s not addiction When he makes no money, it’s addiction

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  • vpol@feddit.uk ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I child a day is not a pedophile.

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    • very_well_lost@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      A child a day keeps the Attorney General away!

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      • vpol@feddit.uk ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        you are good

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    • XLE@piefed.social ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If this Instagram guy was as dodgy about defining pedophilia as he was about defining addiction, everybody here would have no trouble identifying him as a pedophile protector

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Instagram, really is ZUCKERBoRG using his puppets in his stead.

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  • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Life is better without selling your data.

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    • imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Selling our data implies that we get to have profits.

      Life is better without companies selling our data.

      Might be tad more on point.

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  • zebidiah@lemmy.ca ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What a smug stupid fucking lying face on this piece of shit… He thinks he’s fucking being cute with his little glasses and eyebrows feinting surprise

    That lede photo is the very fucking epitome of the Upton Sinclair’s “it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it”

    He is being paid hundreds of millions of dollars to pretend to be ignorant, to blatantly lie to people, while looking them straight in the eye. More money than you or me will ever see in all our combined lifetimes, to make that stupid fucking face

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  • Morphite88@thelemmy.club ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    When I read Instagram boss: Instagram boss

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  • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Because like 10hr of that is background usage while we harvest your data.”

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  • 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Punching that guy in the face is not violence either, you know? /s

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