Its funny how people act as if kamala lost because she supported genocide
No lol, leftists hold miniscule power in electorate, kamala lost because she ran a shitty campaign and neo liberal economics will only make things worse for incumbent.
Hopefully, he will be 6 underground by that time.
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clot27@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
Tattorack@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
America doesn’t have a left wing. America has a right wing and an extreme right wing. The closest to an actual leftist that America has is Mamdani, and America’s so-called left wing politicians tried their best to make him look evil.
itistime@infosec.pub 12 hours ago
Some factors for losing:
- People were already salty that Biden even decided to run again, and then he forced a different candidate upon the voters.
- Status quo
- Woman
- Not white
- Zionism apologist
- Obviously dumb strategy to ditch the “weird” name calling, and placate the right.
Her loss was a combination of many factors, including the support of genocidal Zionism. Do not ignore it.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 13 hours ago
I voted for Kamala, but I was pissed we didn’t have a fucking primary. If we had a primary, we might have gotten Bernie on the ballot, or Elizabeth Warren, or Butegig, or anyone else. But instead Biden claimed to be running, then dropped out at the last minute so opps no time for primaries. I’m salty as hell that democrats didn’t get a choice. It felt deliberate and coordinated.
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Whoopie, the man who promised to be one term ran for another just long enough to ensure no one actually got a say in who to run.
Certainly a mistake from the people who argued in court and won with it that they don’t have to have honest primaries.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
neo libs must choose… either there is not enough progressives to demand a progressive candidate so they are not a large enough block to have changed the outcome OR they are large enough bloc to demand progressive cannidate and the democrats ignoring them cost them the election.
and they always pivot talking points
merdaverse@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
Schrodinger’s left: small enough for Dems to ignore, large enough to make Dems lose
r1veRRR@feddit.org 12 hours ago
Funny, that works just as well in reverse: If “the left” is big enough that all the posturing about not voting for the lesser evil, and the moral purity BS caused Trump to win, they are responsible for untold horrors simply because they want to grand stand. If they aren’t big enough, they’re irrelevant anyway, so why would anyone care?
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Also I don’t think voters appreciated having her shoved in at the last minute.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 13 hours ago
This. Democrats had no primary for presidential choice.
Clbull@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Kamala lost because it was obvious from the beginning that she was a bad candidate whose only hope of becoming President was to be parachuted into the role via the 25th Amendment once Biden’s mental state truly deteriorated. Unfortunately for her and the DNC, Biden’s condition declined right as a key presidential debate rolled around, and his declining cognitive health became so utterly apparent that not even Reddit’s tyrannical cabal of power mods could cover it up anymore.
Before that debate, even merely suggesting that Biden was senile would have gotten you labelled a Nazi and banned from at least a dozen subreddits.
THAT is why she lost to a convicted felon.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
she was a presto candidate for 100 days leading up to the election, against a former president that had been campaigning non stop for 6 years. She was fucked over and thrown under a bus.
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
The Gaza issue seems to have been pretty big
Aneb@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Its very hard to discern the real reason Harris lost in the election. Especially with interference the Right orchestrated with mail in voting and voting IDs, they tanked the left’s momentum while gassing Trump’s reelection with actual fraud. The results of numerous investigations was that if someone committed fraud or voted twice it was for a Republican candidate… but don’t worry isn’t not like Trump controlled the swing districts and threw away votes for Harris.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 16 hours ago
“No new wars” was a trump slogan, leftists aren’t the only ones against the genocide, pretty much everyone who doesn’t have ties with israel was pissed with US involvement.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com 12 hours ago
She lost because the average voter votes for whatever name they’ve heard before.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
no, she lost became 1/3 of Americans failed to vote.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Ah yes the leftists who complain and cry at the federal election but take no interest in primaries, or joining the party or volunteering for their preferred candidate. American leftists just wanna sit on their ass and be handed a candidate, so that’s what you get.
Last one you guys didnt take part in so they picked the old white man, when you complained they gave you an educated black woman and you “leftists” went “eeew not that” while cheering for Bernie, another ancient white man.
You guys are a shit show of contradiction, shit slinging and infighting because nobody is good enough to be an ally anymore. This is why I blame all of you for Trump, the American right and the left. You guys suck, and the rest of the leftists in sane countries know it
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 minutes ago
Pretty sure there’s core differences between Biden and Bernie.
“Whaat? You mean some people DON’T vote by race and gender??”
queermunist@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
Harris chose to lose the most winnable election in history because Democrats know they can punish voters for being disloyal simply by allowing Republicans to win. If you demand too much from Democrats they will throw the election. It’s essentially a hostage situation, you must give unconditional support to the Good Cop or the Bad Cop will beat you to death. You don’t want the Bad Cop, do you?
If we don’t abolish this system we’re all going to die.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org 10 hours ago
“Leftists” that were saying this knowingly support trump. They’re accelrrationist who want conditions to get so bad that their ideas actually seem good.
Harris was a good candidate her platform was progressive and pragmatic. There was very very little to complain about with her. Thats why the right and “left” had to work extra hard to undermine her. Look at how hard all the .ml on this site were working pre election to convince people not to vote. It was insane, any post that was positive about biden or Harris of waltz was met with a barrage of insane accusation and misinfo.
But i dont think the left undermining dems was a deciding factor. I think it was rights pro trump narrative that was way to strong. Trump dominated every media space. If you were in male spaces pro trump quips were fucking everywhere you’d be watching a YouTuber who was non political for 10years then suddenly he would say something like “but trumps economy was damn good” or something about biden beinf asleep at the wheel. That stuff influences voters more than political ads and old media celebs.
nexguy@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Immigrants, trans, Ukrainians, women… these groups are a sacrifice white male leftists are willing to make.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 hours ago
DNC will throw an election before moving to the left.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Slightly better than fascist is a very low bar, and most of them aren’t clearing it.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 day ago
By that logic, no one should have supported racist America and colonist Britain against the Nazis.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Imagine a group thinking Palestine swung the needle at all on US elections. ROFL…
That is getting close to “flat earth” level of denial.
Kamela ran a horrible, lame, corporate platform.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
The meme is unironically true though. I hate the candidates that the dnc puts forward, but I hate the opposition more. 2016 and 2024 kinda shows how the meme is unfortunately rather accurate, and I heard plenty of people advocating for not voting for Kamala because of stances that trump was objectively worse on.
thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Have the republicans even bothered to give a name for 2028?
Ryoae@piefed.social 21 hours ago
I am sorry but if people still think the Palestinian conflict is the end-all and be-all of where the state of the world goes, much less, where America goes. Then they’re no better than the single-minded voters that helped the Republicans win twice.
There will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS be conflict going on over the Middle-East with everyone there. It is NEVER-ENDING. We’ve wasted nearly 20 years dicking around with Afghanistan and Iraq. All for what? So the Taliban can take over territory in less than a week after all that effort? What a waste!
What we needed to do and should have done was hold Israel accountable and not fund them anymore. If to them, makes us look anti semitic, then so what? They’re the aggressors, they’re the ones being tyrannical bastards right now and if they can’t see that then it’s their problem they need to sort out or don’t. Whatever floats their little boat.
But also, we have so much shit to fix here that it’ll be a bit until we get there. We’ve already squandered telling Israel to stop their shit.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
If Trump runs again you’ve fucked up. He can’t just run for a third term.
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
If leftists don’t vote again they will never ore again, so it’s fine. People that didn’t vote made the genocide much worst.
Purity checks never work and never will only makes things worse.ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
Let’s be honest. It wasn’t because of any leftist that she lost. It’s because she is a woman of color. Racism and misogyny is very well alive and has power in the USA. If they put another white man with the exact some politics then trump would have lost. Everyone wants to argue over silly points missing the clear truth of how backwards and messed up the USA still is.
protist@mander.xyz 23 hours ago
Here in Texas, our leading candidates for Senate (James Talarico) and governor (Gina Hinojosa) are taking refreshingly reality-based positions on Gaza and seem to be developing campaigns aimed directly against billionaires. I like what I’ve been hearing
Krauerking@lemy.lol 18 hours ago
We have 2 years to find a candidate who doesnt try to fix systemic and financial issues with changing social structures.
wpb@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Elections are no time for democracy, that’s some tankie shit.
Astrius@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
Lol we need to overthrow the system
glitchdx@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
You have no idea how infuriating the truth of this meme is.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Damn, americans are pathetic. Pweease, generate a candidate for me so I can find enough motivation to send a letter.
Fucking idiots, you lost your country to fascist without any resistance, and brought problems to the whole worldrumba@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
Let’s flip that over.
Leftists, you have two years to put forth an incredibly well-funded candidate that’s more palatable to the ultra-rich, corporate sponsors, left, and the right than the DNC/RNC candidates. You need more than 50% by a decent margin because they’re not going to let you in, you need half the boomers and genexers and youngbloods out there to write in a name.
OR
Once again, you’ll be here figuring out weather you’d rather vote for DNC or not at all and let RNC take us for another ride.
Godric@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
DNC: You have 2 years to run for office and win a primary
Leftists: Can’t I just post memes and act smugly morally superior instead?
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 22 hours ago
Notice the Leftist in this image is purity-testing and making demands while doing nothing themselves?
Pretty accurate meme!
Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Well, we don’t live in a fucking vacuum. Swallow your pride or you’ll be made to swallow repubelican dick.
zxqwas@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
You don’t win elections by convincing the far left/ right to vote for you. They will vote for/against you no matter what (or abstain from voting because they see you as equally too far left/right as your opponent).
You win by convincing the undecided voters in the middle. Every vote you gain from the center is also a vote your opponent lose.
Convince them you’ll give them better living standards and they won’t care what you do with foregin policy and minority rights.
Convince them that your priorities is minorities and foregin policy and they will tell you that it’s all good and well but they are about to lose their job and the cost of living is going up so they are just going to vote for the other guy that promises to fix that.
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Every fascist regime in history has gained power in part because the left was too busy infighting to resist.
Avicenna@programming.dev 17 hours ago
they draw the line at genocide
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Also you guys are fucking idiots.
“If you don’t pick a better candidate then I’ll just let the one who wants concentration camps and to erase all of Palestine win”
Like, seriously, look at the big picture. Do you think Kamala who would have still supported Israel would have been worse for Gaza? It’s literally not possible. You guys fucked up the entire planet I’m your pride.
Now I’m not saying the DNC isn’t wrong, they’re fucking morons. But you guys just gave up on global warming, gay rights, trans rights, Gaza, any sembles ce of the environment, public health, the entire “justice” system, the courts, your immigrant neighbours, all people of colour on the US, and women’s rights.
I cannot express how much I fucking hâte people like you right now.
Go ahead and downvote me. “But it’s not right”. Yeah? We’ll choosing to let this happen is leagues worse. You guaranteed the genecide in Gaza would go be the worst it ever could be you fucking morons.
Go out and pressure the DNC to not be shot, but don’t fucking say there’s no difference between Kamala and Trump.
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
i’m glad i’m not the only one shitting on 3rd party/abstainers every chance i get. high and mighty morality police, usually saying shit like “kamala was always going to lose” while simultaneously trying to push the 100% guaranteed fail action of 3rd party or sitting out.
whether they’re actually russian propaganda trolls or not hardly matters–they’re shit human beings either way
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Agreed. But I’m not going to publicly endorse a dead-end DNC loser before it’s necessary. The DNC needs to act like people aren’t required to vote for them and field a candidate that can actually win votes.
Serinus@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
On the other hand, this is a fine time for this conversation. We do have roughly a year to find a candidate that’s not fucking Newsom just because he could meme for a minute.
I don’t mind a few memes in our politics, but I do want there to be some kind of substance under the memes. And not the substance Magats have found under theirs, 💩.
Wakmrow@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Lol this is so fucking funny. My vote wasn’t a fail.
TheBat@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
You forgot to include USAID.
Anyone who keeps clutching to Gaza and says Kamala would have been as bad as Trump can suck my dick.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
I forgot a ton of things.
AI, your data privacy, your parents retirement, NATO, electric cars, green energy, antitrust, the chip shortage.
There’s a huge list.
Stamau123@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Yup
It’s fucking mind numbing
return2ozma@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
“fuck democracy! You are required to vote how I want you to vote! You don’t have a choice!” /s
Enkrod@feddit.org 23 hours ago
Yes! Primaries primaries primaries.
Go and primary every single DNC candidate that isn’t good enough, get better democratic candidates wherever you can. Put even more energy into primaries than into the election itself! But when the decision comes down to Churchill or Hitler, you better vote for fucking Churchill.
Everything else is just throwing the minorities and the future under the bus as a cost of doing business.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Wanna know how to pressure the DNC to pick a candidate you like? Go fucking vote for them in the primary!
Typically, the primaries get 1/10th the turnout of the general election. That means that a very small number of people can sway the primary. Go stump for your candidate. Make phone calls, talk to your family and friends and community, explain why your candidate is the better choice.
The lack of a primary in 2024 was fucking awful, but guess what? Chances are, there is a primary going on for your state right now, get to work!
punkcoder@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Try telling that to someone who supported Bernie, but before you do that you might want to go back and refresh youself on what happened. The DNC is a diseased carcass, change isn’t possible.
nialv7@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
did bernie lose because people didn’t vote for him? or did he lose because the democrats establishment push him out?
for what you said to be true, the democrats need to abolish the superpac system, which they won’t do.
pjwestin@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
This continues to be the stupidest, least productive way to think about elections. The lesser of two evils argument may be true, but it failed to motivate people to vote for Kamala in 2024 (or Hillary in 2016, for that matter). You can bitch about protest votes or an apathetic electorate all you want, but at the end of the day, you don’t win elections if you don’t get votes, and, “yEaH, bUt TrUmP iS wOrSe,” didn’t get votes. If the Democrats once again run a candidate who doesn’t reflect their base and once again lose the election, it will once again be their fault for repeating a losing strategy that produces losing candidates.
uienia@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
The US election system is stupid, antiquated and corrupt. As long as it isn’t reformed (of which it itself prevents ever happening), the lesser evil is all you will ever get from that system.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
But you can bet when they lose they’ll blame everyone else in the room but themselves. I don’t think the neo-liberals of the party realize how much bad blood they’ve been generating.
itistime@infosec.pub 11 hours ago
They are idiots, because they can’t reason and forecast outcomes well. If YOU cast a protest vote, then I understand your comment.
Can you please explain a strategy (other than lying) that would have appeased the dummies?
She should have lied to overcome their childish minds.
wpb@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
How about you go out and draw the rest of the owl there? The main power we have is our right to vote, and you’re saying we shouldn’t use that to pressure the DNC to put forth a pro-worker anti-war candidate.
Eldritch@piefed.world 19 hours ago
And how is not voting for them going to do that? They’re fine with you not voting for them, and even losing in the case of DNC leadership. Always have been.
You want to put pressure on them? Be the candidate to primary the party line candidate in Democratic primaries. Yes they will use every structural advantage they have against you. But if enough people do it constantly. The cracks will widen and show. Otherwise they’re happy to receive donations and funding from the wealthy, even if they don’t win.
To be clear, I think all national parties should be outlawed. Generally state wide ones as well. But unless you can change the political reality we are in. The only possibility is not just holding off the worst possible candidates such as trump. Though more should have shown solidarity against him. But being the candidates we want to vote for. And not letting some uninterested complacent national organization make those decision for us.
MTZ@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
I’m a leftist who absolutely voted Harris, because the other option was horrific. I was not in love with Kamala but I did feel that she was a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better option.
Velypso@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Please shut the fuck up.
Youre spreading the propaganda that helped them justify their actions.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 23 hours ago
They literally do think everything that’s happened under Trump would have been the same under Kamala.
They are deeply unserious people who have no ambitions for politics and care only about purity-testing.
teslekova@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Gaza would have been worse, because Netanyahu would have kept up the bombing.
However, Kamala would never have defunded USAID, so those million and a half people who are dying right now from starvation and disease would be alive.
So, honestly, not voting for Kamala was a bad idea.
But it’s still because of the DNC corporate donors that Trump is in office right now, because they refuse to allow the people a progressive alternative.
Blame is pointless. I am talking about what needs to change. Shouting at reluctant third party voters will do nothing but raise your blood pressure.
Campaigning for the downfall of Chuck Schumer, there’s a worthy cause.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 hours ago
They would have been different, but Kamala wouldn’t have been different enough.
Biden won and Trump instigated a coup over it. Why is that treasonous rat not in prison? Would Kamala have put him in prison? Oh, she should have said so. I had no idea.
Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 23 hours ago
I think he argument is that voting for status quo candidates aren’t actually getting us those things, either. And any small incremental gains are quickly reverted the next time republicans are in power.
TheRealKuni@piefed.social 23 hours ago
And you can only believe that if you ignore every bit of progress that has stuck around in the last thirty years.
Progress isn’t a straight line up. Like anything else it dips and wobbles. But it consistently moves upward.
Yeah there are always going to be things to make progress on. But to pretend that we are not in a better place on some of those issues now than we were thirty years ago is bafflingly silly.
As an example: In 1996, support for same-sex marriage was so low that congress passed and Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, allowing states to ignore same-sex marriage licenses from other states in direct violation of the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution, and this was widely supported by the American people. In 2023, over 70% of Americans supported gay marriage while only 22% opposed. That number has dipped since, but not by much. In 2025, it was 68% support (88% of Democrats, 76% of Independents, and 41% of Republicans) while 29% opposed it.
That is an issue on which the American people have made significant progress. That progress hasn’t evaporated with alternating administrations. It ebbs and flows like literally everything, but over time it has improved.
Most are like this. Not all! Certainly some things consistently get worse, like wealth inequality. But to act like everything simply flip-flops between parties and that the Democrats are simply a ratchet that maintains the status quo and doesn’t let anything change just to let the next Republican make it worse is flat-out wrong.
Are Democrats largely spineless corporate shills? Yeah. But are they just as bad as Republicans? Fuck no. Go vote in primaries. Support candidates who will actually push for change. Giving up is pathetic.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
And I do agree with that.
I’m not American and we have the same issues here.
But the answer has to be putting in grassroots support and fighting the power where you can. By the time Biden and then Harris had secured the DNC nomination it was way too late.
I think right now the world at large needs big changes, and corporate power needs to be reigned in. But you have to engage with the possibilities in front of you, even though they suck. You can and should try to create new ones, but it’s a fight, and you have to treat it like one.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Because the next ‘status quo’ candidate is t good enough, so we piss away any progress because we didn’t get the perfect candidate and stay home from the election (again)
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 23 hours ago
Almost as if you have to actually work to have nice things.
Who could imagine??
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 21 hours ago
Yes because this is about your emotions and needing a satisfying story to direct your anger at, not reality.
thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 22 hours ago
Elections are in some way a validation of the system. The elites point to the election any time someone complains about some policy. The entire system has been consistently getting worse regardless of who is in power for at least 30+ years. The only way we have to express our displeasure is to vote out the incumbent. I’m confident that even if Kamala had won, things would have gotten worse. Maybe they would be worse at a slower rate, but they would be worse. We need to see beyond electoral politics. Every time you vote, you are granting the rich permission to continue to fuck you regardless of who you voted for.
Makeitstop@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
The majority of eligible voters already don’t vote. Low voter turnout does not embarrassment the rich and powerful, it just makes the system easier to control. Fewer voters means fewer people to answer to, fewer people to influence, and fewer people to shuffle around through gerrymandering.
For fuck sake, they are consistently trying to make it harder for people to vote. They want lower turnout. They know their most loyal supporters will still vote. They’d much rather have their base be the only ones bothering to show up to the polls. They don’t care about legitimacy, they care about winning.
Soupbreaker@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
And do you think that, by refraining from voting, you would somehow deny the rich that permission? That’s probably why all the openly corrupt, unapologetically authoritarian politicians go out of their way to ensure everyone is able to cast a ballot, right? Because they know that, the more people vote, the more permission the rich will have to fuck everyone. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for your enlightened contribution here.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 hours ago
All they can do is create this strawman because deep down they’re ashamed.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
You’re right. Liberals do love their straw men.
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Yes. For sure with Harris things would be much better here and there. Not voting is only makes things worse and we know GOP is very unpopular now the only strategy is to infiltrate Dems and manipulate people to not vote again and elect them again.
Dems are so easily to manipulate this why things are bad. If you don’t vote it’s your fault how things are
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
People don’t like being insulated and taken advantage of. Why is that so hard to understand?
r1veRRR@feddit.org 12 hours ago
So your feelings are more important than the oppression of all the minoritzed groups?
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 hours ago
I’m just pissed off we let America have so much power over the word as it is. They’re one country, for fuck sake, not the World Police.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
Silver lining: Trump just killed that role like a newborn baby in lake Michigan.
frank@sopuli.xyz 23 hours ago
I assume all those “vote third party both side same” people were bots or Russian trolls. Obviously trump was always gonna be way worse
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 23 hours ago
Are you saying the entire dbzer0 instance is administered by a bot?
Soupbreaker@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
They aren’t. That’s an easy scapegoat. Influenced by Russian propaganda, sure, but we’re all influenced by propaganda. The vast majority are ordinary citizens, who are as convinced of the righteousness of their beliefs as anyone. Dismissing them, en masse, as bots and trolls isn’t helpful.
The fact is, many of them have very valid points. Where they need to be fought is, very specifically, when they encourage non-voting. There’s no good argument for non-voting, and it’s easy to defeat them there.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I don’t think they’re all trolls. I think there are a few right-wing trolls who got stupid people to buy into their astroturf campaign and then it took off from there. IIRC, one of the people in Mi openly admitted that he was a Republican and saw it was an easy wedge issue to get people not to vote.
silver_wings_of_morning@feddit.dk 13 hours ago
holy based